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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 1, 2017 15:06:50 GMT
The bit about the club making it difficult for us to advertise was because of the fact that the club have contacted the arena to effectively ban us from doing the advertising which was part of our booking with the arena. We are still hoping to work with the club in the future but we have said from the very beginning that this will be a long difficult road. Everything the club have done so far indicates that they will avoid engagement for as long as they are able. But Rob, You say they will avoid engagement "for as long as they are able",but even when the Trust gets legally set up,they still don't have to engage in any way at any time. Yes, they do. That's the point.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 15:07:13 GMT
As an outside party in this with no real vested interest either way right now in how this venture turns out (still open to being swayed one way or the other mind you), do you really think this kind of article is good for the image of 'The Trust'? Don't get me wrong playing the victim card is smart as trying to garner sympathy is never a bad way to get people on board when trying to acheive something, but it just seems a bit whingey. Also: "It feels like the club are trying to make it difficult for us to get the Trust going and advertise what it’s all about" Do you know what it's all about yet? All that's currently out there is the very vague: "1.1 To be a unified voice for the fans; 1.2 To promote closer ties between the club and its supporters through regular dialogue" on the Twitter bio and from what I've read (and been told on here in this very thread I believe, not scrolling back to find it though) it seems any specific 'aims' are what will be sorted at this big meeting that's coming up determining whether this is actually going ahead or not. I understand why you've taken the shot at the club you have there but it's not really a justified one. The bit about the club making it difficult for us to advertise was because of the fact that the club have contacted the arena to effectively ban us from doing the advertising which was part of our booking with the arena. We are still hoping to work with the club in the future but we have said from the very beginning that this will be a long difficult road. Everything the club have done so far indicates that they will avoid engagement for as long as they are able. That's not great, can't say I agree with that being a good decision by the club. The added detail explains the comment though so thanks for that. I'm sure when they have to they will, appreciate that may be me being overly optimistic again though.
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Post by iginla on Mar 1, 2017 15:13:00 GMT
But Rob, You say they will avoid engagement "for as long as they are able",but even when the Trust gets legally set up,they still don't have to engage in any way at any time. Yes, they do. That's the point..... They don't I'm afraid Rob.
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 1, 2017 15:19:44 GMT
Yes, they do. That's the point..... They don't I'm afraid Rob. Shame I've wasted the last 6 months then. Wish someone had told me earlier.
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Post by iginla on Mar 1, 2017 15:36:39 GMT
They don't I'm afraid Rob. Shame I've wasted the last 6 months then. Wish someone had told me earlier. I did try to tell you Rob,several times a good while ago.
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 1, 2017 15:48:48 GMT
We have a team of 9 people for leaflets on Friday but could use 1 more if anyone is available?
Just give me a call.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 1, 2017 17:42:58 GMT
Yes, they do. That's the point..... They don't I'm afraid Rob. Maybe you're arguing semantics Iggy, but once formed they DO have to MEET with the trust regularly and they have to send a proper representative (i.e not the cleaning lady). They could at that point just meet the minimum of engagement and just have the meetings but ignore anything said, but the same goes for any time you talk to someone. the key is the club can't ignore it's existence and it would be silly to do so. The people there want to make the club better, and seeing as fans represent an overwhelming majority of the clubs revenue it makes sense to at least talk.
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Post by iginla on Mar 1, 2017 19:09:23 GMT
They don't I'm afraid Rob. Maybe you're arguing semantics Iggy, but once formed they DO have to MEET with the trust regularly and they have to send a proper representative (i.e not the cleaning lady). They could at that point just meet the minimum of engagement and just have the meetings but ignore anything said, but the same goes for any time you talk to someone. the key is the club can't ignore it's existence and it would be silly to do so. The people there want to make the club better, and seeing as fans represent an overwhelming majority of the clubs revenue it makes sense to at least talk. I agree that the Trust is a good idea and engagement between club and fans is desperately needed,because in general the relationship is shocking. Also, i agree the club would be silly not to engage with fans. But as can be seen from the clubs slow reply or lack of any meaningful response so far and Mr Blacks waffle at the Q+A,they are simply not interested in engaging with the Trust or even fans in general. Setting up a Trust will not change that and will not mean the club are compelled to engage. The point you are missing is that Nottingham Panthers is a "private limited company" and that is no doubt what they will hide behind if they have to.
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 1, 2017 21:37:42 GMT
Maybe you're arguing semantics Iggy, but once formed they DO have to MEET with the trust regularly and they have to send a proper representative (i.e not the cleaning lady). They could at that point just meet the minimum of engagement and just have the meetings but ignore anything said, but the same goes for any time you talk to someone. the key is the club can't ignore it's existence and it would be silly to do so. The people there want to make the club better, and seeing as fans represent an overwhelming majority of the clubs revenue it makes sense to at least talk. I agree that the Trust is a good idea and engagement between club and fans is desperately needed,because in general the relationship is shocking. Also, i agree the club would be silly not to engage with fans. But as can be seen from the clubs slow reply or lack of any meaningful response so far and Mr Blacks waffle at the Q+A,they are simply not interested in engaging with the Trust or even fans in general. Setting up a Trust will not change that and will not mean the club are compelled to engage. The point you are missing is that Nottingham Panthers is a "private limited company" and that is no doubt what they will hide behind if they have to. I've tried to explain the position to you several times Iginla and have offered to meet you at a game on more than one occasion. (An offer that you have not taken up). I asked you to refrain from posting you endless negative messages on this thread but here we are again. If you are interested (as you seem to be) then meet me on Friday. If you're not then (as you had previously agreed) please refrain from posting on this thread. Kind Regards Rob 07974 330553
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Post by iginla on Mar 1, 2017 22:04:51 GMT
Sorry you see them as endless negative messages Rob,I shall say no more then with regards the Trust.
If you are happy to spend time,effort and money on the Trust,that's your call. I'm just trying to offer my thoughts on what is highly likely to happen,before as you said previously........"Wish somebody had told me earlier" !
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 1, 2017 22:21:36 GMT
Sorry you see them as endless negative messages Rob,I shall say no more then with regards the Trust. If you are happy to spend time,effort and money on the Trust,that's your call. I'm just trying to offer my thoughts on what is highly likely to happen,before as you said previously........"Wish somebody had told me earlier" ! I was clearly being sarcastic earlier Iginla as well you know. Again, Do you really think I would be wasting hours of my own time and plenty of my own money if I thought it had no chance of achieving anything? Happy to meet you on Friday....
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 2, 2017 7:07:52 GMT
Giant posters and 5000 leaflets coming off the press today!
We have a good team in place to hand out the leaflets and answer questions before tomorrow's game.
If you'd like to get involved or have any questions then please do get in touch.
Cheers
Rob
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 3, 2017 8:17:58 GMT
Leaflet drop before today's game to promote the open meeting on the 30th of March.
If you are offered a leaflet please take one and have a read. Supporters Direct will be conducting a vote at the meeting which will decide whether the trust is formally set up or not.
We'd like as many Panthers fans at the meeting as possible so please do make it if you can.
As always feel free to give me a shout with any questions.
Kind Regards
Rob
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 3, 2017 20:53:40 GMT
Big thanks to all the Panthers fans at the game tonight. Leaflets were very well received.
Hope to see lots of you at the open meeting on the 30th of March here at the National Ice Centre.
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Post by spik on Mar 3, 2017 22:35:52 GMT
Glad it went well for you again. Usual for me , was working till 10pm.
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 4, 2017 12:44:22 GMT
Reports from the team of volunteers were that the leaflets were again well received and that a lot of people commented that they would be attending the meeting. The meeting is set up as an event on Facebook via the following link. www.facebook.com/events/158700587955695/?ti=icl
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 21:31:03 GMT
Not been on here for some time, and was absolutely gobsmacked that Iginla was on again being deliberately negative about the Trust, a thing he obviously knows nothing about as he repeatedly says the club does not have an obligation to attend meetings when they obviously do! I'd be really interest in learning the origin of his username. I've tried re-arranging it to make Gary Moran, Neil Black etc. but can't seem to arrange it into anything which might explain his attitude. I bet he's reading this absolutely bostin' to reply! Mr Iginla is the type of person who would argue that blacks white and the earth is flat, despite all evidence to the contrary.
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 8, 2017 10:33:54 GMT
Just over 3 weeks until the open meeting at the NIC.
The event can be found on Facebook for you to confirm attendance.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Mar 8, 2017 11:03:10 GMT
Have done. I'll be there with a yes vote to the formation of the trust.
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Post by Warren on Mar 8, 2017 15:33:36 GMT
Not been on here for some time, and was absolutely gobsmacked that Iginla was on again being deliberately negative about the Trust, a thing he obviously knows nothing about as he repeatedly says the club does not have an obligation to attend meetings when they obviously do! I'd be really interest in learning the origin of his username. I've tried re-arranging it to make Gary Moran, Neil Black etc. but can't seem to arrange it into anything which might explain his attitude. I bet he's reading this absolutely bostin' to reply! Mr Iginla is the type of person who would argue that blacks white and the earth is flat, despite all evidence to the contrary. Not wanting to put words into iginla 's mouth, but I think what he is trying to say is this: The club have a leagal obligation to attend (When the Trust is formed) but, as Rob has already seen, the club dont like things out of its control, and by its very nature the trust would be. So when the club attend, there is obligation to "participate" or even "interact". This would be the dumbst move they can make, but then this is the Panthers. The same Panthers that did its hardest to disband the Supporters club before managing to do so, as it was a. out of its control b. a chance to make money on away support. For me, I wish Rob Scott all the will in the world. Personal reasons have kept me away from all of this so far. (Warren Jnr being on the scene) If I can make any of it i will be. I have known Rob for a couple of years (Known his wife for over 30) and his passion for this is second to none. I also know Iginla and some of the reasons for his distrust of the club. I pray Rob doesn't see any of them.
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 9, 2017 14:24:33 GMT
In 3 weeks we will be at the NIC with Supporters Direct.
Come along, have a listen, ask a question if you like and use your vote.
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 11, 2017 8:25:53 GMT
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 14, 2017 14:19:22 GMT
Just over 2 weeks now until the open meeting.
Everyone welcome, please feel free to shout up with any questions.
Cheers
Rob
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 22, 2017 10:55:06 GMT
Open meeting is a week tomorrow. If you are a Panthers fan then please try your best to make it.
Big thanks to our friends at Bunkers Hill for there help in promoting the meeting so far.
More posters will be going up around the city today and tomorrow.
As always, any questions just give me a shout.
Cheers
Rob
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Post by Rob Scott on Mar 23, 2017 10:18:06 GMT
So the meeting is a week today.
If you haven't got in touch yet, why not? You don't need to give up loads of time. If we work together we can make our voices heard.
If you want to be part of positive change at our club do it today.
@npsupporters on Twitter.
@nottinghampantherssupporterstrust on Facebook.
07974 330553 to call or text me.
Cheers
Rob
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