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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 21, 2017 12:59:07 GMT
Well that makes the next Q&A all the more interesting. Just don't wear your trust hoodie... Wonder how long it will be before they bad the hoodies and scarfs from the Arena - not the best PR action to take.
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Post by sneakysquid on Oct 21, 2017 13:04:29 GMT
Could try and claim Nottingham Rugby club status for the colours But if it ain’t yellow (shock there) it ain’t the Black/Moran GMB Panthers.
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Post by Discoray on Oct 21, 2017 13:05:47 GMT
Hasn’t the trust done everything it’s set out to do? We wanted to have a closer connection with the club and now they are doing QNA’s, we wanted the social media to improve and for them to interact more and they have. That's exactly what the club wants you to think, that if they make a few wee changes here and there for a while, folk will be placated. Then turn their attention to trust & tell them they're meaningless, and then all that new stuff from the club would subtly vanish over time if the trust were to ever let-up/disband. It's the EIHL way, hold out for long enough in the hopes that people just forget or move on to other things. You can bet your house on that and them some. I'm personally sick to my back teeth of that approach!
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Post by iginla on Oct 21, 2017 14:08:23 GMT
Just read the latest email. Just when you think the Panthers Organisation couldn't stoop much lower they pull out the stops. Pathetic. What have the club done now ? Let me guess. Going after the Trust for selling merchandise ! 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 14:11:05 GMT
Absolutely right Discoray. I have no doubt that when Black thinks he has removed the reason for the existence of the Trust, then the communications will dry up. As it is, he has proved beyond doubt that these communications are one- way only. Dare to publicly disagree with him and you will be banned, even if you are trying to defend yourself against a statement which is patently untrue.
And it was untrue, I can assure you. Maybe he wasn't actually aware of the content of the letter (got to be careful here!), but it IS threatening, and NO meeting was offered in Nottingham.
Unfortunately there will be no opportunity for us to learn his opions; there will be no communication from the Panthers on THIS subject you can be sure. They will adopt their normal defence against bad press - ignore it, ride the storm, and wait until people just forget. The tragedy is, that we let it happen.
His actions in banning a loyal supporter for disagreeing with him is beyond belief.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 21, 2017 14:16:09 GMT
What have the club done now ? Let me guess. Going after the Trust for selling merchandise ! 🙄 As 'Seniorservice' mentioned, they've banned long term fan, ST holder and interim chair of the NIHST from attending games for the rest of the season, seemingly for daring to disagree with Neil Black.
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Post by spik on Oct 21, 2017 15:14:15 GMT
Hasn’t the trust done everything it’s set out to do? We wanted to have a closer connection with the club and now they are doing QNA’s, we wanted the social media to improve and for them to interact more and they have. What? Is this what the Trust set out to do? Nah, all that hard work to get these piddly things sorted and bow out? Thoughts... No,it's here to help fans understand hockey by promotion. To ask fans their interests (doing work in marketing by leafleting maybe or questioning for answers) so as to direct this interest to the club, saving club leg work. To talk with the club with an on-going involvement and how the club may want this to go also. Be a part of the club like we all think we are...though we don't own nor are officialdom. These are just ideas from myself, the board would have more or better than my suggestions. My next ticket is for November 7th.But things have changed in my life.I am a family man now with greater responsibility, interests and financial worries so hockey has taken a back burner and with the way things were going I was going to withdraw from many an attended game anyway.I still love the sport but I don't agree with a lot that is going on.Especially any ban implications.....so do I get ejected after my purchase to entry?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 16:43:44 GMT
If NB has banned a member then that is very disappointing. I'm no big fan of the trust, I think they've taken the wrong approach at a number of turns which has put me off and I do understand why the club are tentative towards them, even dismissing them but to ban somebody is so OTT.
I don't know the ins and outs of what's happened, I can only go on what I see on this thread but I hope for the individual concerned they can get this resolved.
I don't believe NB is an unreasonable man so I'm sure there are two sides to the story but it's a sad situation that it has come to this regardless of what's happened.
Ice hockey in this country isn't in a position to turn away loyal fans.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 17:52:40 GMT
Sorry, Stratty. These are not the actions of a reasonable man.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2017 18:15:30 GMT
Sorry, Stratty. These are not the actions of a reasonable man. Hard to believe that’s the only reason to be honest
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Post by grrm on Oct 21, 2017 18:23:37 GMT
Time for a reality check. Anyone who thinks the club will engage in useful dialogue is sadly deluded - it won't.
The very actions of the club simply magnify and justify the need for a supporters trust, but the club management have made it clear that they perceive the trust in a negative way and will not be engaging with it.
To the clubs "credit" they have (mainly through silence) managed to "out-wit" the trust on most occasions. Their latest manoeuvre to ban the trusts acting chairman is potentially a PR disaster, but ONLY if the trust go on the offensive with widespread PR of their own, getting the full story in the local media.
Unless this happens the trust is sadly doomed I'm afraid.
As a word of warning, I believe the next move from the club will be to actively identify trust members and start banning them from games, particularly if they are seen to be wearing trust colours to games. Again showing the club to be holding most of the aces.
Go on the offensive big time (not just to existing members) or the trust is sadly doomed.
Ps) I'm a trust member and wish it to succeed into the future.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 21, 2017 18:26:48 GMT
Hard to believe that’s the only reason to be honest The only reasonable excuse for banning someone from attending games is if they breach the code of conduct expected from spectators, as printed on the reverse of the ticket.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2017 18:34:34 GMT
Hard to believe that’s the only reason to be honest The only reasonable excuse for banning someone from attending games is if they breach the code of conduct expected from spectators, as printed on the reverse of the ticket. You would have thought so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 18:45:06 GMT
Sorry, Stratty. These are not the actions of a reasonable man. Hard to believe that’s the only reason to be honest Precisely, it's such a bold move that I feel there must be more to it than is portrayed on here. If everything said on here is 100% true then yes it's completely unreasonable but I just think there must be more to it because it just doesn't add up. If NB was going to ban somebody just for speaking out then Iginla wouldn't have been allowed within 10 miles of the arena years ago.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 21, 2017 18:55:55 GMT
If NB was going to ban somebody just for speaking out then Iginla wouldn't have been allowed within 10 miles of the arena years ago. Has Iginla helped to start up a Supporters Trust with the full support of a government-sanctoned public body? Has Iginla managed to help rally 200+ Panthers fans to join said trust in a relatively short amount of time? As much as Iginla may have a solid opinion, it is very much his. When he rallies a sizeable amount of Panthers fans to his side he may work his way up the hit list. NB is trying to silence the NIHST by going for its (current) head.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:00:44 GMT
Stratty. I have read the letter. There is no room for misinterpretation. I give you my word everything I’ve posted is 100% true. If I am banned I will go to the press and the courts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:11:07 GMT
Stratty. I have read the letter. There is no room for misinterpretation. I give you my word everything I’ve posted is 100% true. If I am banned I will go to the press and the courts. I'll wait for it to be published, until that moment it will be hard to believe there isn't more than meets the eye. Whatever the truth though I hope it gets resolved. A fan should be able to go support his team, it's a sad situation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:45:02 GMT
I agree, it is sad. I doubt the Trust will be able to publish the letter in full as it’s marked “Without Prejudice “ which I believe places limitations on what the Trust can do with it. Very clever on the solicitors part. However I hope they’re taking legal advice and find a way to publish.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 21, 2017 20:01:46 GMT
I agree, it is sad. I doubt the Trust will be able to publish the letter in full as it’s marked “Without Prejudice “ which I believe places limitations on what the Trust can do with it. Very clever on the solicitors part. However I hope they’re taking legal advice and find a way to publish. "Without Prejudice" marking has nothing to do with distribution/publication of letters so marked, it relates to said document being inadmissible in court, should pre-court negotiations attempted through such letters fail.
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Post by spik on Oct 21, 2017 20:24:20 GMT
Grossly unfair and totally unjustified. Not as if an individual has been evident in bad behaviour. More so the opposite in making great comments upon his support, how we must support the team etc...It's like being at work and listening to management who threaten to fire you, except we don't have a contract here.Nothings been broken.Someone's just asking to meet and work with the club and 200+ have supported this.So childish.If your not playing by my rules (though your not on the playing field) I'm taking my ball home. We're about to play one of the biggest games in our history and this fellow who supports the team is being told what.....?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 21:16:07 GMT
That’s interesting train. I sometimes think that their legal advice is a bit constrictive, but you tend to take the advice of “experts”. I think they HAVE to publish in that case. I’ve only held back so far in deference to the Trust. This guy they’ve banned travelled to Bern to support the club he loves.
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Post by pingchowchi on Oct 21, 2017 21:19:53 GMT
Has anyone said what reason they have for the ban? The only reason I can think is maybe selling stuff on the premises?
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Post by ted logan on Oct 21, 2017 21:22:00 GMT
They can dress it up how they like and make thinly veiled threats and accusations.
He’s been banned by the club due to his leading role in the forming and running of the trust.
It stinks.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 21, 2017 21:22:58 GMT
The reason for the ban was the abusive and threatening comments I made towards Mr Black at the public Q&A. I didn't make any abusive or threatening comments so naturally I'm hoping to get the ban overturned so that I can get back to supporting the boys on the ice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 21:27:48 GMT
He was banned because Black incorrectly said that the Trust had not been theatened and had been offered a meeting in Nottingham - and based on written evidence, he disagreed.
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