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Post by iginla on Sept 29, 2017 13:07:09 GMT
After some very helpful exchanges with Rob (including an insightful 1 hour phone conversation!) I have paid my dues and signed up as a member of the NIHST. Obviously I may not be a supporter of the Panthers, but I’m a very big supporter of the ideas the trust is looking to bring in, and is something I feel is desperately needed brought into the sport here. No pressure folks, but the work both the members and board do I think is going to weigh heavy on if we will see more trusts come into UK Ice Hockey. To help ensure it is a success, I would urge both Panthers and non-Panthers fans alike to sign-on, it could one day end up be the best value tenner you’ve spent on ice hockey. Good post. I think Braehead would benefit from a supporters trust. 😉
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 29, 2017 19:40:50 GMT
After some very helpful exchanges with Rob (including an insightful 1 hour phone conversation!) I have paid my dues and signed up as a member of the NIHST. Obviously I may not be a supporter of the Panthers, but I’m a very big supporter of the ideas the trust is looking to bring in, and is something I feel is desperately needed brought into the sport here. No pressure folks, but the work both the members and board do I think is going to weigh heavy on if we will see more trusts come into UK Ice Hockey. To help ensure it is a success, I would urge both Panthers and non-Panthers fans alike to sign-on, it could one day end up be the best value tenner you’ve spent on ice hockey. Thanks for the kind words and great to have you on board. Hopefully this is just the start for Panthers and the EIHL.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 1, 2017 8:16:35 GMT
Ice Hockey fans of Nottingham, Make today the day you sign up for your Supporters Trust. We're looking to make a positive difference in the short, medium and long term and have some really exciting projects in the pipeline. You can sign up at www.nihst.org/membership The membership pack will is crammed with great stuff including a scarf, pin bade, membership certificate, £50 of Virgin Active vouchers, free Nottingham Lions game, 20% off food at Saltbox, 30mins free legal advice from Gateleys, half price entry to the Big Christmas Fayre and more. Please get in touch with any questions and we looking to having you on board. Kind Regards Rob Interim Chair Nottingham Ice Hockey Supporters Trust 07974 330553
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 5, 2017 10:28:10 GMT
Following the latest Chairman's Q&A we'll be issuing a communication in due course. For more details on your trust visit www.nihst.org
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Post by PantherG on Oct 9, 2017 11:54:39 GMT
I understand the need for a supporters trust and its annoying that the club seem hell bent on ignoring and not engaging, but what I don't understand is how people would want to come to a game wearing a green and white hockey top and a green and white scarf. Seen a few of these scattered around. Surely we should all be wearing our team colours, supporting our team, its not like we have a horrendous colour scheme like Sheffield.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 9, 2017 12:02:43 GMT
I understand the need for a supporters trust and its annoying that the club seem hell bent on ignoring and not engaging, but what I don't understand is how people would want to come to a game wearing a green and white hockey top and a green and white scarf. Seen a few of these scattered around. Surely we should all be wearing our team colours, supporting our team, its not like we have a horrendous colour scheme like Sheffield. The scarves are purely meant to be a way of raising awareness of the Supporters Trust within the arena (We wouldn't need to raise awareness if the club engaged with us so we wouldn't have produced them in the 1st place, also we wouldn't have moved away from the original colours but were forced to because of the clubs legal threat to the trust). I personally haven't seen anyone wearing green hockey tops and we certainly haven't produced any. I have been wearing a Panthers top and wearing a scarf. Supporting the guys on the ice and raising awareness of the trust.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 10, 2017 14:39:10 GMT
I understand the need for a supporters trust and its annoying that the club seem hell bent on ignoring and not engaging, but what I don't understand is how people would want to come to a game wearing a green and white hockey top and a green and white scarf. Seen a few of these scattered around. Surely we should all be wearing our team colours, supporting our team, its not like we have a horrendous colour scheme like Sheffield. I've not seen a single person wearing the green and white scarf of the NIHST (green for the Nottingham part of Nottingham Ice Hockey Supporters Trust) who wasn't also wearing a Panthers jersey. As FTM said though, the Panthers Management forced a change of name and colours with their threat of legal action, but to be honest their actions have done the NIHST a favour. Had NIHST continued to use yellow and black any scarves produced would have just blended into the background, as it is they stick out and people ask questions. As an aside, it odd that Neil Black should be so anti-supporters trusts when his beloved Tottenham Hotspur have one of the largest supporters trusts in the country. Perhaps its the fact the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust have been quite vocal about controlling the ticket prices for travelling fans that he is so worried about?
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Post by BigLad on Oct 10, 2017 18:41:57 GMT
Following the latest Chairman's Q&A we'll be issuing a communication in due course. For more details on your trust visit www.nihst.org Any update on this? Also, I find the "latest news" link on the website hard to see with the background pic.
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Post by dreadface on Oct 11, 2017 8:54:13 GMT
If the club are still are still being dismissive of the Supporters Trust, in the meantime take up other causes not directly linked to the club that still affect fans. Show hesitant fans what the supporters trust can do. Why not meet with the arena and raise concerns about food prices etc. A large majority of panthers fans visit the arena every weekend yet we still pay the same prices as a concert goer who might attend only a couple of times a year. Maybe there is scope for a loyalty card type scheme specially designed for Panthers fans.
Granted its only a minor cause but I get the impression that the Panthers org think that if they stonewall long enough most fans will give up. Im sure there are other concerns or ideas that panthers fans have had about the arena that might also be worth being looked at by the supporters trust.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 11, 2017 13:45:22 GMT
Following the latest Chairman's Q&A we'll be issuing a communication in due course. For more details on your trust visit www.nihst.org Any update on this? Also, I find the "latest news" link on the website hard to see with the background pic. Hi Biglad, Thanks for the feedback on the website. We'll look into that. Regarding the communication unfortunately a complication has meant that we are now taking legal advice before releasing it. We are hoping to get this out asap and will keep you posted.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 11, 2017 14:01:28 GMT
If the club are still are still being dismissive of the Supporters Trust, in the meantime take up other causes not directly linked to the club that still affect fans. Show hesitant fans what the supporters trust can do. Why not meet with the arena and raise concerns about food prices etc. A large majority of panthers fans visit the arena every weekend yet we still pay the same prices as a concert goer who might attend only a couple of times a year. Maybe there is scope for a loyalty card type scheme specially designed for Panthers fans. Granted its only a minor cause but I get the impression that the Panthers org think that if they stonewall long enough most fans will give up. Im sure there are other concerns or ideas that panthers fans have had about the arena that might also be worth being looked at by the supporters trust. Hi Dreadface, That is a good call and we do have a couple of really exciting projects in the pipeline which can be delivered with or without the clubs help. We should have some more news on these within the next couple of weeks. Cheers Rob
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Post by BigLad on Oct 11, 2017 14:59:52 GMT
Any update on this? Also, I find the "latest news" link on the website hard to see with the background pic. Hi Biglad, Thanks for the feedback on the website. We'll look into that. Regarding the communication unfortunately a complication has meant that we are now taking legal advice before releasing it. We are hoping to get this out asap and will keep you posted. Cheers Rob.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 14:26:41 GMT
Nothing to do this afternoon except let off a little steam … From earlier posts on this thread you might deduce that I am a member of the Trust’s Interim Board. Well actually I was, having resigned a couple of weeks ago for personal reasons. No clash of ideas, no falling out, in fact I am still 100% behind the Trusts objectives and am continuing to help them in practical ways without taking part in the actual decision making (so prepare your applications for board membership – there’s a vacancy!) I used to be, and still am, absolutely incensed at the way the Club’s management seems to be so arrogant as to dismiss the Trust (and by implication a large number of its paying customers), and attempt to threaten it out of existence. We all pontificate on here saying that we just can’t understand the club’s attitude, when really it’s as plain as the nose on your face – just read Item 4 of the Trust Rules on the Trusts website www.nihst.org/trust-rules. It doesn’t matter that this is just a formulaic set of rules drawn up by Supporters Direct, and will not come to pass until the year 2500 if ever. I believe it is seen as a huge threat by the club’s management. I think that they believe that you, as Trust members or fans, will want to view financial records, contract details, have a say in signings etc., etc., - all totally untrue. The Trust just wants a channel of two-way communication, not just the much-improved but still one-way communications that they are issuing now. I’m actually quite surprised at Mr Black’s reaction. I had him down for a bit more subtlety. I expected him to welcome the Trust with a huge friendly bear-hug, thereby knowing exactly where their arms were! As Sun Tzu (might have) said, “Keep your friends close, and your enemies (even if they are only perceived ones) closer.” What I truly cannot understand, is his reaction at the latest Q&A. I have seen the letter that he says is not threatening. I have seen the letter that he says offers a meeting in Nottingham. I can only assume that Mr Black himself has not seen them. The thing is, I’m a bit of a loose cannon now aren’t I? I’m also loaded with all of the information that the Trust would not publish in an attempt to come to some sort of reconciliation with the club. I also don’t think that anything I can do will make the situation worse. I’m pleased to see that the Trust is taking legal advice on what to do with the information it possesses; however I have found that that advice in the past has been too circumspect for my taste. In my opinion the first defence for libel is the truth, publish and be damned! That non-threatening (!) letter is not marked private and confidential, neither is the one that “offers” a meeting, a slip up on Mr. Black’s solicitors part I assume. I might just send it to him so that he is aware of all the facts – as I said above, he might not even have seen it. If so, I’m sure he will want to apologise. However, let’s see what the Trust’s legal representative says first. As I’m not privy to Trust business anymore I await the outcome with interest. Oh, and please, please, please don’t tell me how divisive I’m being without some sort of constructive ideas of other ways to engage!!
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 12, 2017 17:04:07 GMT
Whoever deleted that needless response, well done. Agree with the trust or not, passive or passionate there is no need for silly responses like that.
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Post by iginla on Oct 12, 2017 19:08:00 GMT
How many members have the Trust actually got now ?
Keep hearing various stuff about "lots of positives" and "exciting new ideas" etc but nothing much very thrilling ever seems to materialise as far as I have seen.
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Post by Adam on Oct 12, 2017 22:50:56 GMT
How many members have the Trust actually got now ? Keep hearing various stuff about "lots of positives" and "exciting new ideas" etc but nothing much very thrilling ever seems to materialise as far as I have seen. It’s a load of absolute rubbish that is going absolutely nowhere and never will, got fools walking around in daft scarves that they’ve paid a tenner for, apparently part of this fantasy club. I’m personally pleased Neil Black or the club want nothing to do with it. Whoever runs the Fantasy Club twitter account has done a hell of a lot more harm than good too!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 8:16:48 GMT
Hi Adam, Could you actually tell us WHY its a load of rubbish? With which of the Trusts objectives do you disagree? Do you have that opinion of the 250+ supporters trusts in the rest of the country? Do you think that supporters of any club have no stake in the wellbeing of the clubs they follow?
I'm not quite sure where you're actually coming from, or what your actual objections are. Perhaps you could give us your thoughts?
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 13, 2017 8:59:27 GMT
How many members have the Trust actually got now ? Keep hearing various stuff about "lots of positives" and "exciting new ideas" etc but nothing much very thrilling ever seems to materialise as far as I have seen. It’s a load of absolute rubbish that is going absolutely nowhere and never will, got fools walking around in daft scarves that they’ve paid a tenner for, apparently part of this fantasy club. I’m personally pleased Neil Black or the club want nothing to do with it. Whoever runs the Fantasy Club twitter account has done a hell of a lot more harm than good too! Hi Adam, We obviously respect your view that the Supporters Trust won't Go anywhere. We do feel that the presence of the Supporters Trust has contributed to some of the positive changes we have all seen at the club within the last year or so. I would say that it not particularity nice or accurate to call hundreds of fellow Panthers fans fools because they happen to see a value in an established Supporters Trust which you don't. We concede that it would have been better to keep the Trust more closely associated with the club and it's colours but unfortunately because of the legal threat to the Trust this was not possible. Also, £10 is the maximum cost for a years membership with many fans paying less than that. In addition to the "daft scarf" (which is merely a way of increasing awareness in the absence of a relationship with the club to this point) all members receive the following products or benefits. So all in all we believe the pack represents good value. A pin Badge A share certificate £50 worth of Virgin Active Vouchers Free entry to a Nottingham Lions game 20% of food at Saltbox Half price entry to the Big Christmas Fayre. Free half hour of legal consultation from Gateley Plc on commercial matters. + the option of purchasing Mick Chambers new book "Ice Cold Murder" at the discounted rate of £5. All members signed up before the end of September had the chance to win a free SC Bern shirt. If you have any questions about the objectives or the direction of the trust please do feel free to get in touch either at contact@nihst.org or on 07974 330553
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 13, 2017 9:04:21 GMT
How many members have the Trust actually got now ? Keep hearing various stuff about "lots of positives" and "exciting new ideas" etc but nothing much very thrilling ever seems to materialise as far as I have seen. Hi Iggy, Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately a further complication resulting from the recent Q&A has slowed things down a touch but we are hoping to be back on track soon. Some of the projects we are aiming to deliver would be easier and quicker if we were working with the club. Unfortunately as that is not the case the projects are taking a bit longer to get moving. We are making progress with a charity idea, a project to showcase some of the rich history of Ice Hockey in Nottingham and also another to look towards the much longer term future of Ice Hockey in the city. We do hope to have some more firm and positive news. Please bear with us and keep an eye of for the membership emails. Cheers Rob 07974 330553
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Post by DMS on Oct 13, 2017 9:58:43 GMT
It’s a load of absolute rubbish that is going absolutely nowhere and never will, got fools walking around in daft scarves that they’ve paid a tenner for, apparently part of this fantasy club. I’m personally pleased Neil Black or the club want nothing to do with it. Whoever runs the Fantasy Club twitter account has done a hell of a lot more harm than good too! Hi Adam, We obviously respect your view that the Supporters Trust won't Go anywhere. We do feel that the presence of the Supporters Trust has contributed to some of the positive changes we have all seen at the club within the last year or so. I would say that it not particularity nice or accurate to call hundreds of fellow Panthers fans fools because they happen to see a value in an established Supporters Trust which you don't. We concede that it would have been better to keep the Trust more closely associated with the club and it's colours but unfortunately because of the legal threat to the Trust this was not possible. Also, £10 is the maximum cost for a years membership with many fans paying less than that. In addition to the "daft scarf" (which is merely a way of increasing awareness in the absence of a relationship with the club to this point) all members receive the following products or benefits. So all in all we believe the pack represents good value. A pin Badge A share certificate £50 worth of Virgin Active Vouchers Free entry to a Nottingham Lions game 20% of food at Saltbox Half price entry to the Big Christmas Fayre. Free half hour of legal consultation from Gateley Plc on commercial matters. + the option of purchasing Mick Chambers new book "Ice Cold Murder" at the discounted rate of £5. All members signed up before the end of September had the chance to win a free SC Bern shirt. If you have any questions about the objectives or the direction of the trust please do feel free to get in touch either at contact@nihst.org or on 07974 330553 Surely a clear manifesto of your aspirations would be a better way to get members than offers and deals? A trust shouldn’t need gimmicks to get people to sign up.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 13, 2017 10:04:06 GMT
Hi Adam, We obviously respect your view that the Supporters Trust won't Go anywhere. We do feel that the presence of the Supporters Trust has contributed to some of the positive changes we have all seen at the club within the last year or so. I would say that it not particularity nice or accurate to call hundreds of fellow Panthers fans fools because they happen to see a value in an established Supporters Trust which you don't. We concede that it would have been better to keep the Trust more closely associated with the club and it's colours but unfortunately because of the legal threat to the Trust this was not possible. Also, £10 is the maximum cost for a years membership with many fans paying less than that. In addition to the "daft scarf" (which is merely a way of increasing awareness in the absence of a relationship with the club to this point) all members receive the following products or benefits. So all in all we believe the pack represents good value. A pin Badge A share certificate £50 worth of Virgin Active Vouchers Free entry to a Nottingham Lions game 20% of food at Saltbox Half price entry to the Big Christmas Fayre. Free half hour of legal consultation from Gateley Plc on commercial matters. + the option of purchasing Mick Chambers new book "Ice Cold Murder" at the discounted rate of £5. All members signed up before the end of September had the chance to win a free SC Bern shirt. If you have any questions about the objectives or the direction of the trust please do feel free to get in touch either at contact@nihst.org or on 07974 330553 Surely a clear manifesto of your aspirations would be a better way to get members than offers and deals? A trust shouldn’t need gimmicks to get people to sign up. The manifesto as it were is set by the members of the Trust. No harm at all surely in making the membership pack as interesting and good value as possible?
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Post by DMS on Oct 13, 2017 10:54:46 GMT
Surely a clear manifesto of your aspirations would be a better way to get members than offers and deals? A trust shouldn’t need gimmicks to get people to sign up. The manifesto as it were is set by the members of the Trust. No harm at all surely in making the membership pack as interesting and good value as possible? Being part of a true should be enough of an attractive proposition for those that are interested rather than be enticed by ‘attractive’ offers Why does being a member have to be ‘good value’? Like I say the membership to try and carry out he manifesto of the trust should be enough imo
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 13, 2017 11:01:10 GMT
The manifesto as it were is set by the members of the Trust. No harm at all surely in making the membership pack as interesting and good value as possible? Being part of a true should be enough of an attractive proposition for those that are interested rather than be enticed by ‘attractive’ offers Why does being a member have to be ‘good value’? Like I say the membership to try and carry out he manifesto of the trust should be enough imo I'm sure that the vast majority if not all of the trust members would have signed up if the pack including nothing at all because they believe in the idea. As I said though, surely no harm in adding some value to it?
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Post by spik on Oct 13, 2017 14:26:20 GMT
Being part of a true should be enough of an attractive proposition for those that are interested rather than be enticed by ‘attractive’ offers Why does being a member have to be ‘good value’? Like I say the membership to try and carry out he manifesto of the trust should be enough imo I'm sure that the vast majority if not all of the trust members would have signed up if the pack including nothing at all because they believe in the idea. As I said though, surely no harm in adding some value to it? I signed up not expecting anything. The fact that I received inclusive gifts/ opportunities was a bonus and in fact may well benefit us on the whole. I'm sure Rob has constitution / agenda or whatever is needed in hand. Any further holes to pick at? The members are asked what they think may suit or be needed as we are it's driving force.But we are also happy with the advancement of things at present.
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Post by iginla on Oct 13, 2017 15:26:07 GMT
How many members have the Trust actually got now ? Keep hearing various stuff about "lots of positives" and "exciting new ideas" etc but nothing much very thrilling ever seems to materialise as far as I have seen. Hi Iggy, Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately a further complication resulting from the recent Q&A has slowed things down a touch but we are hoping to be back on track soon. Some of the projects we are aiming to deliver would be easier and quicker if we were working with the club. Unfortunately as that is not the case the projects are taking a bit longer to get moving. We are making progress with a charity idea, a project to showcase some of the rich history of Ice Hockey in Nottingham and also another to look towards the much longer term future of Ice Hockey in the city. We do hope to have some more firm and positive news. Please bear with us and keep an eye of for the membership emails. Cheers Rob 07974 330553 Yes I understand the trials and tribulations of dealing with brick walls.......but that's not what I asked Rob. How many members has the Trust got ?
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