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Post by fishman on Jul 12, 2016 13:36:33 GMT
Songs don't win games, my concern is the team that finished 5th in the league is a big percentage of that team are back this season.
And yes I know Panthers won 2 trophies, but some of the league performances were poor, I don't seem to be able to get excited about the start of the season, so no season ticket for me.
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Post by PantherB on Jul 12, 2016 15:06:28 GMT
People need to look past the 5th Place. There was 10pts in it from 5th to 1st. We just didn't have the consistency over various parts of the season to give us the boost we needed, away games in Coventry were a big negative.. Didn't win one did we? I can't remember.
The roster was more than capable of winning the league, but with tired bodies and hectic schedules, sometimes things don't work out and when you lose momentum you slip down the standings and with how close the standings were last season, one loss was enough to put you in 4th from 1st etc.. At several points over the season.
So far, looking at things bluntly, we've swapped Myers for an Import and have tried/trying to replace Mosey with Sertich/Quick (Should he return). The only thing that could go horribly wrong now is if Kolnik retires and we don't sign someone equally as good, or better.
This roster will be able to continue the chemistry formed from last year too, a big positive. Brown & Carter know a lot of our roster too so their settling down shouldn't take too long. Sertich is a stud and has the quality to be a leader from the start so he shouldn't have too much trouble settling, especially with his family coming with him.
I'm excited for the upcoming season, lots to look forward to and we get to see a team who were the best, for a third of the season, with the best goaltender, for half the season.. Seek out vengence for their shortfalls and attempt to rectify the lackluster back end to the regular season.
The only way this coming season can be more sucessful than last, is if we do a GrandSlam, or win the Continental Cup along with Playoffs and CC.
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Post by fishman on Jul 12, 2016 15:49:49 GMT
What to do about the lack of a 2nd proper center to replace Myers, CN saying he's only waiting for Kolnik to make his mind up then that the forward line complete,
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Post by Yotes on Jul 12, 2016 16:18:50 GMT
The only way this coming season can be more sucessful than last, is if we do a GrandSlam, or win the Continental Cup along with Playoffs and CC. If competition A = competition B = competition C, etc, then yes that's the only way. For me if they win the league they've done better than last year. I'm also not sure why we should just ignore the league finish, because we were only 5 wins from the top? By the same token if we'd lost just 2 more games we'd have won nothing at all. They won't be any less tired this year (more so with Europe), and a lot of them have another year on some clocks that have been running for quite a while already. In Kolnik and Mosey we're also currently down our 2 best players from last year. I think we can also expect better efforts from Cardiff (who collapsed) & Belfast (rookie coach), and Sheffield don't seem to have stood still, at least in terms of signings. I'll wait and see what happens, we still have signings to make and by the time September rolls around I'll be ready for it, but I can kinda see where Fish is coming from. You do wonder sometimes whether they're ruthless enough at HQ, signing returnees always goes down well though. |
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Post by PantherB on Jul 12, 2016 16:19:11 GMT
What to do about the lack of a 2nd proper center to replace Myers, CN saying he's only waiting for Kolnik to make his mind up then that the forward line complete, It'll likely either be Lachowicz or Betteridge to take a Centre. Betteridge will be playing as a checking forward to shouldn't matter too much whether he plays on the wing or in the middle. Moran, Lawrence and MacMillan can play Centre too so your 1st, 2nd & 3rd Lines are all sorted in the Centre department. |
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Post by wgray on Jul 12, 2016 16:36:39 GMT
The main difference with this seasons team will be that we are going with 5 import D from the start, there were times last season when we got found out defensively and hopefully this will change. We looked a much better team once Quick and Macdonald were brought in.
We have effectively upgraded on Macdonald with Sertich who looks a cracking player, Bohmbach and Mosey have been swapped for Carter and Brown, different attributes between the two pairs but no significant losses apart from speed, the only real downgrade you could say is losing Myers has meant Ollie will have to step up, this isn't a bad thing it's just that Myers was such a leader and performer for us, and vitally he was a centre, a void we need to fill in some way.
Corey has hinted at Lacho filling a new role this season and I think he could be indicating he will be tried at centre, a position which he was tested in a few times last season, not very encouraging but he needs time to learn the ropes, pre-season being perfect. This ultimately will mean we will start with the following line up:
Import Moran Schultz
Carter Lawrence Brown
Farmer Macmillan Janssen
Clarke Lacho Betteridge
Import Dimmen
Sertich Waugh
Import Lee
Oakford
The encouraging signs are that the defence looks pretty solid so far also considering who we are looking at bringing in to finish it off and bearing in mind we have Oakford keeping the level of competition for places high, the worrying thing is that we haven't got our top point scorer in yet but if Kolnik is to return then I think we look to have a good mix of styles in the forward ranks.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jul 12, 2016 17:02:07 GMT
The main difference with this seasons team will be that we are going with 5 import D from the start, there were times last season when we got found out defensively and hopefully this will change. We looked a much better team once Quick and Macdonald were brought in. We have effectively upgraded on Macdonald with Sertich who looks a cracking player, Bohmbach and Mosey have been swapped for Carter and Brown, different attributes between the two pairs but no significant losses apart from speed, the only real downgrade you could say is losing Myers has meant Ollie will have to step up, this isn't a bad thing it's just that Myers was such a leader and performer for us, and vitally he was a centre, a void we need to fill in some way. Corey has hinted at Lacho filling a new role this season and I think he could be indicating he will be tried at centre, a position which he was tested in a few times last season, not very encouraging but he needs time to learn the ropes, pre-season being perfect. This ultimately will mean we will start with the following line up: Import Moran Schultz Carter Lawrence Brown Farmer Macmillan Janssen Clarke Lacho Betteridge Import Dimmen Sertich Waugh Import Lee Oakford The encouraging signs are that the defence looks pretty solid so far also considering who we are looking at bringing in to finish it off and bearing in mind we have Oakford keeping the level of competition for places high, the worrying thing is that we haven't got our top point scorer in yet but if Kolnik is to return then I think we look to have a good mix of styles in the forward ranks. I'm not sure the 4th line will be as you've put it. Think we'll see Clarke Mac Lacho then Cam Ollie Farmer. |
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Post by wgray on Jul 12, 2016 17:22:14 GMT
The main difference with this seasons team will be that we are going with 5 import D from the start, there were times last season when we got found out defensively and hopefully this will change. We looked a much better team once Quick and Macdonald were brought in. We have effectively upgraded on Macdonald with Sertich who looks a cracking player, Bohmbach and Mosey have been swapped for Carter and Brown, different attributes between the two pairs but no significant losses apart from speed, the only real downgrade you could say is losing Myers has meant Ollie will have to step up, this isn't a bad thing it's just that Myers was such a leader and performer for us, and vitally he was a centre, a void we need to fill in some way. Corey has hinted at Lacho filling a new role this season and I think he could be indicating he will be tried at centre, a position which he was tested in a few times last season, not very encouraging but he needs time to learn the ropes, pre-season being perfect. This ultimately will mean we will start with the following line up: Import Moran Schultz Carter Lawrence Brown Farmer Macmillan Janssen Clarke Lacho Betteridge Import Dimmen Sertich Waugh Import Lee Oakford The encouraging signs are that the defence looks pretty solid so far also considering who we are looking at bringing in to finish it off and bearing in mind we have Oakford keeping the level of competition for places high, the worrying thing is that we haven't got our top point scorer in yet but if Kolnik is to return then I think we look to have a good mix of styles in the forward ranks. I'm not sure the 4th line will be as you've put it. Think we'll see Clarke Mac Lacho then Cam Ollie Farmer. It could well be, Corey has mentioned Ollie playing a checking role so if we can mould him into a Centre whilst he does a job for us on that line that would be brilliant |
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Post by iginla on Jul 12, 2016 18:33:47 GMT
People need to look past the 5th Place. There was 10pts in it from 5th to 1st. We just didn't have the consistency over various parts of the season to give us the boost we needed, away games in Coventry were a big negative.. Didn't win one did we? I can't remember. The roster was more than capable of winning the league, but with tired bodies and hectic schedules, sometimes things don't work out and when you lose momentum you slip down the standings and with how close the standings were last season, one loss was enough to put you in 4th from 1st etc.. At several points over the season. So far, looking at things bluntly, we've swapped Myers for an Import and have tried/trying to replace Mosey with Sertich/Quick (Should he return). The only thing that could go horribly wrong now is if Kolnik retires and we don't sign someone equally as good, or better. This roster will be able to continue the chemistry formed from last year too, a big positive. Brown & Carter know a lot of our roster too so their settling down shouldn't take too long. Sertich is a stud and has the quality to be a leader from the start so he shouldn't have too much trouble settling, especially with his family coming with him. I'm excited for the upcoming season, lots to look forward to and we get to see a team who were the best, for a third of the season, with the best goaltender, for half the season.. Seek out vengence for their shortfalls and attempt to rectify the lackluster back end to the regular season. The only way this coming season can be more sucessful than last, is if we do a GrandSlam, or win the Continental Cup along with Playoffs and CC. We haven't swopped Myers for an import,we haven't swopped him for anybody,we have just lost him. Yes there is an extra import this year,but every other team has that extra import too so they cancel each other out. So far we have swopped Bohmbach for Carter. Added Brown as the extra import. Swopped Quick for Sertich. And we have lost Myers completely. We still have to replace Kolnik,Mosey and Macdonald/Schmidt. Assuming we re signed the missing three,I can see a slight upgrade on Sertich for Quick......but we downgraded on losing Myers for Betteridge. All in all,we probably best hope all the other teams have downgraded too or we might be looking at 6th this season ! Lol |
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Post by PantherB on Jul 12, 2016 19:23:12 GMT
People need to look past the 5th Place. There was 10pts in it from 5th to 1st. We just didn't have the consistency over various parts of the season to give us the boost we needed, away games in Coventry were a big negative.. Didn't win one did we? I can't remember. The roster was more than capable of winning the league, but with tired bodies and hectic schedules, sometimes things don't work out and when you lose momentum you slip down the standings and with how close the standings were last season, one loss was enough to put you in 4th from 1st etc.. At several points over the season. So far, looking at things bluntly, we've swapped Myers for an Import and have tried/trying to replace Mosey with Sertich/Quick (Should he return). The only thing that could go horribly wrong now is if Kolnik retires and we don't sign someone equally as good, or better. This roster will be able to continue the chemistry formed from last year too, a big positive. Brown & Carter know a lot of our roster too so their settling down shouldn't take too long. Sertich is a stud and has the quality to be a leader from the start so he shouldn't have too much trouble settling, especially with his family coming with him. I'm excited for the upcoming season, lots to look forward to and we get to see a team who were the best, for a third of the season, with the best goaltender, for half the season.. Seek out vengence for their shortfalls and attempt to rectify the lackluster back end to the regular season. The only way this coming season can be more sucessful than last, is if we do a GrandSlam, or win the Continental Cup along with Playoffs and CC. We haven't swopped Myers for an import,we haven't swopped him for anybody,we have just lost him. Yes there is an extra import this year,but every other team has that extra import too so they cancel each other out. So far we have swopped Bohmbach for Carter. Added Brown as the extra import. Swopped Quick for Sertich. And we have lost Myers completely. We still have to replace Kolnik,Mosey and Macdonald/Schmidt. Assuming we re signed the missing three,I can see a slight upgrade on Sertich for Quick......but we downgraded on losing Myers for Betteridge. All in all,we probably best hope all the other teams have downgraded too or we might be looking at 6th this season ! Lol I loved Myers but he isn't an irreplacable player. Betteridge appears to be being guided down the route to become a Myers type player and i'm very confident he'll have a 'breakout' season. Sertich is the replacement for MacDonald, Quick is still on the cards to return. Schmidt, still in Nottingham so hopefully he signs on the dotted line. As for Kolnik, difficult one but surely if he was likely to retire or reject he'd have made the decision quickly, he might yet be sorting out family stuff and i'd expect his decision to either be made or forced within the next 2 weeks, with a spot always being open to him.. Like Bohmbach. I'm confident Carter will bring similar, or better compared to Bohmbach. Brown i'd also expect to have a bit of a breakout season and do very well, he's got plenty of roles he can fit into so he's useful anywhere. Having Carter, Lawrence and Brown on the same line will hopefully reap lots of rewards, they know each other like the backs of their hands and should the rest of the pending decisions come through and the trio of Quick, Kolnik and Schmidt re-sign then we'll be looking strong. It'll pretty much just be a case of getting match fitness rather than cohesing with teammates. I know it's difficult to with our history but we've just got to have a little faith and believe in the team. Writing them, or individual players (Bar Lachowicz) off during the offseason will never get the team anywhere and the more people that think like that, the worse the opinion of the team becomes and the unhappier the players become.. The worse the team becomes. |
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Post by texpef on Jul 13, 2016 0:17:08 GMT
Kind of with iginla with this, signing Lawrence's mates might be nice for him/them but there is a reason they are wait and see players and that's because they have no pedigree to note and haven't played at a higher level. There is only one reason a player doesn't get picked at nhl or ahl and that's because they aren't good enough. When I see our competitors signing those higher level type of players then 5th place looks ever more likely unless our wait and see players do confound the odds and do perform above what is expected. Not something scouts etc expect and odds are against it... Unless our final 3 players are absolute studs (and if the returnees are signed I don't believe they are) the team look to me to be a downgrade on last season and that was 5th place. When our competitors have clearly strengthened it seems a strange situation this season that panthers imho have signed a team which appears to have had its purse strings tightened unless of course they have paid over the odds for players already signed (not terribly likely in Nottingham) or the last 3players are total studs (again I don't believe likely) and of course we haven't signed anyone yet and the season start is less than a month away now. There is still a very strong probability we will start the season short..... Again. Something I don't believe is fair on full ticket price paying fans so again I won't pay it as I didnt last season...
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Post by deke on Jul 13, 2016 5:45:37 GMT
I disagree that lachowitz needs time, he has had enough chances to perform and he just hasn't. He has to perform this season, otherwise he needs to be replaced. Somehow he got a new contract despite having a poor season. If he fails again he surely will be gone. Something that is starting to concern me is how many players we are being told we need to give time to or wait and see. However, I think Carter and brown could be good signings for us.
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Post by Doom on Jul 13, 2016 6:28:39 GMT
As an outsider looking in I'd say you seem to have swapped your team make-up with us (Sheffield).
Traditionally you have the fire power and we have the stingy defence. Looking at your squad (to date) for next season, your defence including netminding is looking very solid, but there does look to be a lack of goals in your team. They do say defences win championships, so that's not necessarily a bad thing.
I wouldn't be surprised to see you 4th or 5th on goals scored next season, but I can see you conceding the fewest, assuming your netminder stays fully fit for the whole season.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jul 13, 2016 6:40:06 GMT
Wiikman is the key undoubtedly. If he stays fit and gets on a roll like the first 2/3 months last season he can quite easily sit above 93% save average.
Unfortunately however, his 43 games played last season was a joint career high - equalled his year in the AHL back in 08/09.
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Post by wasteoftime on Jul 13, 2016 6:45:26 GMT
We had imo the best goal scorer in the league at the start of the season, he got injured and it shook him up badly, he was never the same again. If he has got over it he will once again be right at the top of the scoring table.
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Post by nate24 on Jul 13, 2016 11:32:01 GMT
You guys talking about lines! Why punish yourselves? You know full well the lines will be an evolving mess. Corey hates continuity.
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Post by PantherB on Jul 13, 2016 22:26:54 GMT
Kind of with iginla with this, signing Lawrence's mates might be nice for him/them but there is a reason they are wait and see players and that's because they have no pedigree to note and haven't played at a higher level. There is only one reason a player doesn't get picked at nhl or ahl and that's because they aren't good enough. When I see our competitors signing those higher level type of players then 5th place looks ever more likely unless our wait and see players do confound the odds and do perform above what is expected. Not something scouts etc expect and odds are against it... Unless our final 3 players are absolute studs (and if the returnees are signed I don't believe they are) the team look to me to be a downgrade on last season and that was 5th place. When our competitors have clearly strengthened it seems a strange situation this season that panthers imho have signed a team which appears to have had its purse strings tightened unless of course they have paid over the odds for players already signed (not terribly likely in Nottingham) or the last 3players are total studs (again I don't believe likely) and of course we haven't signed anyone yet and the season start is less than a month away now. There is still a very strong probability we will start the season short..... Again. Something I don't believe is fair on full ticket price paying fans so again I won't pay it as I didnt last season... Whilst it's the best league in the world, and one of the best development systems.. Just because someone isn't Drafted or hasn't got NHL/AHL experience doesn't automatically make them worse than those who do get drafted. Ryan Lasch.. Top point scorer in the SHL this past season. Undrafted, no NHL experience, 30 AHL games (not enough to be classified as a season).. Yet he's managed to perform above everybody in what is probably the 2nd/3rd best league in the world. Milan Gulas.. 4th highest point scorer in the SHL, Undrafted, no NHL or AHL experience. Small amount of KHL experience and long time stint in the Czech leagues. Done pretty well for himself to say he's got no professional experience in North America (short time in juniors) Kristian Kuusela.. Highest point scorer in Liiga. Not stepped foot outside of Scandanavia in his entire career. Had a career in the top European leagues no trouble. My point is, it's nice to sign experienced North American players but it doesn't in the slightest mean they'll live up to the vast expectations. Seeing players without such experience getting dismissed is ridiculous. I know you're mainly aiming towards Carter and Brown but they have the potential to be Gems. Look at Chad Costello in the ECHL.. Over 100pt seasons for 2 years, returning for a 3rd.. Does having no experience in the NHL/AHL make him undesirable? Players deserve a chance to prove themselves before being dismissed as cheap options. For all we know they could be top players over here. |
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Post by iginla on Jul 13, 2016 23:09:31 GMT
Kind of with iginla with this, signing Lawrence's mates might be nice for him/them but there is a reason they are wait and see players and that's because they have no pedigree to note and haven't played at a higher level. There is only one reason a player doesn't get picked at nhl or ahl and that's because they aren't good enough. When I see our competitors signing those higher level type of players then 5th place looks ever more likely unless our wait and see players do confound the odds and do perform above what is expected. Not something scouts etc expect and odds are against it... Unless our final 3 players are absolute studs (and if the returnees are signed I don't believe they are) the team look to me to be a downgrade on last season and that was 5th place. When our competitors have clearly strengthened it seems a strange situation this season that panthers imho have signed a team which appears to have had its purse strings tightened unless of course they have paid over the odds for players already signed (not terribly likely in Nottingham) or the last 3players are total studs (again I don't believe likely) and of course we haven't signed anyone yet and the season start is less than a month away now. There is still a very strong probability we will start the season short..... Again. Something I don't believe is fair on full ticket price paying fans so again I won't pay it as I didnt last season... Whilst it's the best league in the world, and one of the best development systems.. Just because someone isn't Drafted or hasn't got NHL/AHL experience doesn't automatically make them worse than those who do get drafted. Ryan Lasch.. Top point scorer in the SHL this past season. Undrafted, no NHL experience, 30 AHL games (not enough to be classified as a season).. Yet he's managed to perform above everybody in what is probably the 2nd/3rd best league in the world. Milan Gulas.. 4th highest point scorer in the SHL, Undrafted, no NHL or AHL experience. Small amount of KHL experience and long time stint in the Czech leagues. Done pretty well for himself to say he's got no professional experience in North America (short time in juniors) Kristian Kuusela.. Highest point scorer in Liiga. Not stepped foot outside of Scandanavia in his entire career. Had a career in the top European leagues no trouble. My point is, it's nice to sign experienced North American players but it doesn't in the slightest mean they'll live up to the vast expectations. Seeing players without such experience getting dismissed is ridiculous. I know you're mainly aiming towards Carter and Brown but they have the potential to be Gems. Look at Chad Costello in the ECHL.. Over 100pt seasons for 2 years, returning for a 3rd.. Does having no experience in the NHL/AHL make him undesirable? Players deserve a chance to prove themselves before being dismissed as cheap options. For all we know they could be top players over here. So what your saying PantherB. Is that a whole team of "non resume" players could win the EIHL..........You know,the sort of team that Fife,Dundee or Manchester generally sign. Not a cat in hells chance. Let me know if it ever happens.....it won't ! |
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Post by wgray on Jul 13, 2016 23:25:57 GMT
Whilst it's the best league in the world, and one of the best development systems.. Just because someone isn't Drafted or hasn't got NHL/AHL experience doesn't automatically make them worse than those who do get drafted. Ryan Lasch.. Top point scorer in the SHL this past season. Undrafted, no NHL experience, 30 AHL games (not enough to be classified as a season).. Yet he's managed to perform above everybody in what is probably the 2nd/3rd best league in the world. Milan Gulas.. 4th highest point scorer in the SHL, Undrafted, no NHL or AHL experience. Small amount of KHL experience and long time stint in the Czech leagues. Done pretty well for himself to say he's got no professional experience in North America (short time in juniors) Kristian Kuusela.. Highest point scorer in Liiga. Not stepped foot outside of Scandanavia in his entire career. Had a career in the top European leagues no trouble. My point is, it's nice to sign experienced North American players but it doesn't in the slightest mean they'll live up to the vast expectations. Seeing players without such experience getting dismissed is ridiculous. I know you're mainly aiming towards Carter and Brown but they have the potential to be Gems. Look at Chad Costello in the ECHL.. Over 100pt seasons for 2 years, returning for a 3rd.. Does having no experience in the NHL/AHL make him undesirable? Players deserve a chance to prove themselves before being dismissed as cheap options. For all we know they could be top players over here. So what your saying PantherB. Is that a whole team of "non resume" players could win the EIHL..........You know,the sort of team that Fife,Dundee or Manchester generally sign. Not a cat in hells chance. Let me know if it ever happens.....it won't ! Where did he put 'a whole team of non-resume players could win the EIHL'? |
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Post by iginla on Jul 13, 2016 23:39:32 GMT
So what your saying PantherB. Is that a whole team of "non resume" players could win the EIHL..........You know,the sort of team that Fife,Dundee or Manchester generally sign. Not a cat in hells chance. Let me know if it ever happens.....it won't ! Where did he put 'a whole team of non-resume players could win the EIHL'? He didn't. But he infers that you don't need any proven resume players in your team. That's fine you don't have to have them,but you won't win the EIHL without several of them. Nobody has ever done it with a bunch of untried unknowns and they won't ! |
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Post by Shorty on Jul 14, 2016 5:21:45 GMT
The EIHL's players of the season for last year have a ton of NHL and AHL games under their belts.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 14, 2016 9:39:40 GMT
The EIHL's players of the season for last year have a ton of NHL and AHL games under their belts. Instead of your clever little snide comments why don't you actually tell us what you think about this years team? |
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Post by nate24 on Jul 14, 2016 9:51:58 GMT
The EIHL's players of the season for last year have a ton of NHL and AHL games under their belts. Instead of your clever little snide comments why don't you actually tell us what you think about this years team? It's not a snide comment at all. It's a fact. Why not offer a counter rather than sticking the knife in? Maybe think about with this in mind and consider if we've recruited from a pool of players that have experience that is proven to gel well in this league. |
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Post by Yotes on Jul 14, 2016 11:06:46 GMT
The EIHL's players of the season for last year have a ton of NHL and AHL games under their belts. And between them they won the sum total of nothing. Maybe they lacked a little experience?  |
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Post by Shorty on Jul 14, 2016 11:44:08 GMT
That's because our fifth placed team won two thirds of them Yotes...
Our team is not yet complete, but I don't think it is as bad as people are making out. Three more signings yet to come, and personally I think Mosey will be back with us before the end of the season.
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