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Post by Bagheera on Sept 6, 2016 18:31:51 GMT
The difference now to a few years back when we had Salters is that we now play 4 line hockey. Back then it was imperritive to have a power forward in the Salters mold who could score points. We do not need 4 lines of production. Very few teams who play 4 line hockey use the 4th for production. Have the forwards already here been signed with the correct balance and ability to win games? Only time will tell. Personally I think so. I certainly don't think our 4th line Enforcer needs to be scoring 10-15 goals. This team was signed with Cam in the plan who got 4 goals last term. As stated previously the first priority is a Cam replacement. Not up for a pure knuckle dragger, but if somebody of the John Scott type can come in and bring the energy and everything Cam did then thats my preference. However if it's a goon who bench walms & only fights or a power forward then it's the power forward every time.
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 6, 2016 18:50:34 GMT
So if we'd signed Cam we would have been clearly short of goals then I take it. That's what were saying here, yes? I dont think anyones suggesting we are going to lead the scoring charts but we're not that short. If we can get some added goals on Cam then that can only help. Get a guy who can play abit put him on a line with Farmer and MacMillan and let Farmer cause havoc all year. But that line will also put up some points and be good at shutting down other teams better lines. I did like Cam but one problem with him was that he restricted the scoring of his line mates so hopefully that is something we can inprove.
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Post by iginla on Sept 6, 2016 18:52:51 GMT
That is where Cardiff have got it right. Bordeleau is their main threat as far as toughness goes, but he'll put up decent points too and they have several big tough guys who don't mind putting in a big hit or fight when needed (Lord, Louis, Batch etc). That's the one we should have signed.....Bordeleau !
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Post by iginla on Sept 6, 2016 18:54:06 GMT
So if we'd signed Cam we would have been clearly short of goals then I take it. That's what were saying here, yes? Yes.
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Post by deke on Sept 6, 2016 19:01:54 GMT
The difference now to a few years back when we had Salters is that we now play 4 line hockey. Back then it was imperritive to have a power forward in the Salters mold who could score points. We do not need 4 lines of production. Very few teams who play 4 line hockey use the 4th for production. Have the forwards already here been signed with the correct balance and ability to win games? Only time will tell. Personally I think so. I certainly don't think our 4th line Enforcer needs to be scoring 10-15 goals. This team was signed with Cam in the plan who got 4 goals last term. As stated previously the first priority is a Cam replacement. Not up for a pure knuckle dragger, but if somebody of the John Scott type can come in and bring the energy and everything Cam did then thats my preference. However if it's a goon who bench walms & only fights or a power forward then it's the power forward every time. Totally agree if we have a choice of a superb fighter and that's it or an excellent fighter who can put up some numbers it's the second but I would rather an knuckle dragger that's going to protect us and add physicality than someone who can't fight hit or energise but will score more. The extra goals would be great but if we can't protect our guys and they are looking over their shoulders the entire time chances are they will score less and be injured more
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Post by iginla on Sept 6, 2016 19:03:20 GMT
The difference now to a few years back when we had Salters is that we now play 4 line hockey. Back then it was imperritive to have a power forward in the Salters mold who could score points. We do not need 4 lines of production. Very few teams who play 4 line hockey use the 4th for production. Have the forwards already here been signed with the correct balance and ability to win games? Only time will tell. Personally I think so. I certainly don't think our 4th line Enforcer needs to be scoring 10-15 goals. This team was signed with Cam in the plan who got 4 goals last term. As stated previously the first priority is a Cam replacement. Not up for a pure knuckle dragger, but if somebody of the John Scott type can come in and bring the energy and everything Cam did then thats my preference. However if it's a goon who bench walms & only fights or a power forward then it's the power forward every time. I know what you're saying about 4 lines,but I don't see a genuine non productive 4th line at Sheffield. And they have Fitzgerald and Desbiens to take care of the rough stuff. Power forward v knuckle dragger.....the power forward it has to be in this Panthers team.
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Post by pantherlee on Sept 6, 2016 19:05:54 GMT
That is where Cardiff have got it right. Bordeleau is their main threat as far as toughness goes, but he'll put up decent points too and they have several big tough guys who don't mind putting in a big hit or fight when needed (Lord, Louis, Batch etc). That's the one we should have signed.....Bordeleau ! I bet he's someone we would have considered but I believe Cardiff had a deal agreed before cam left. Simms tweeted about bordeleau coming to the EIHL before cam's departure
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Post by iginla on Sept 6, 2016 19:10:44 GMT
That's the one we should have signed.....Bordeleau ! I bet he's someone we would have considered but I believe Cardiff had a deal agreed before cam left. Simms tweeted about bordeleau coming to the EIHL before cam's departure True he did and your probably right there.
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Post by EMB on Sept 6, 2016 20:08:49 GMT
I bet he's someone we would have considered but I believe Cardiff had a deal agreed before cam left. Simms tweeted about bordeleau coming to the EIHL before cam's departure True he did and your probably right there. But as you know contracts mean nothing in this league. We should have offered him 50 quid more than Cardiff. Didn't someone also say that we pinched Nikiforuk from under the noses of the Storm?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 21:00:55 GMT
For all the hype Bordeleau is a wait and see signing. I head he's very one dimensional. Could be another Westgarth!
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Post by iginla on Sept 6, 2016 21:29:33 GMT
True he did and your probably right there. But as you know contracts mean nothing in this league. We should have offered him 50 quid more than Cardiff. Didn't someone also say that we pinched Nikiforuk from under the noses of the Storm? They did. But it's probably viewed differently if the player has already signed on the dotted line with another club. If he has,I guess rules say you can't poach him,if he hasn't he's still fair game to a counter offer.
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Post by iginla on Sept 6, 2016 21:31:34 GMT
For all the hype Bordeleau is a wait and see signing. I head he's very one dimensional. Could be another Westgarth! And he could be another Brad Voth !
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Post by PantherB on Sept 6, 2016 21:37:47 GMT
Bordeleau has claimed he's the best hockey player out of all of the enforcers in the UK and 'farther afield' after saying 'I can play good hockey and I’ve scored goals in the East Coast and American leagues plus the NHL.'
He's only scored a handful in his entire career.
He's talking the talk but his play and stats don't prove he can walk the walk so i'm with Pidge on this one, a very 'Wait and See' signing. Whilst it is still a good signing in terms of countering other teams' toughness.
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Post by Doom on Sept 7, 2016 6:58:46 GMT
So if we'd signed Cam we would have been clearly short of goals then I take it. That's what were saying here, yes? I dont think anyones suggesting we are going to lead the scoring charts but we're not that short. If we can get some added goals on Cam then that can only help.
Having had a look at my stats last night I'd have to agree, you're actually better placed than I thought you were in terms of goals.
If you bring in a 15 goal forward I don't think you'll be too far behind Braehead, Cardiff and Sheffield in terms of goal scoring, but you do have a very good netminder (when fit) and a decent looking defence.
I'm still not convinced by our (Sheffield) defence this season. When our squad was completed it was the one area that I had concerns about because of the poor +/- stats of our new signings. Having watched our Keystone Kop like performance on Sunday in our own defensive zone I remain to be convinced.
I guess every team will have some question marks against it, although Cardiff do look to be the team that's covered most bases, but I still think they'll find a way to blow it because that's what they do.
Braehead should win the title, they have Erhardt fire power in their forwards but have the luxury of playing in the Gardiner Conference, but somehow they keep finding new and glorious ways to blow it, although surely it's this season they finally break their hoodoo.....isn't it?
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Post by jdizpt8 on Sept 7, 2016 7:53:54 GMT
Panthers for the title because nobody expects it, Cardiff choke, Steelers have to pressure of 3 in a row and the Clan don't seem to be able to consistently beat the teams in their conference let alone ours. All to play for this year.
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 7, 2016 13:38:12 GMT
I dont think anyones suggesting we are going to lead the scoring charts but we're not that short. If we can get some added goals on Cam then that can only help.
Having had a look at my stats last night I'd have to agree, you're actually better placed than I thought you were in terms of goals.
If you bring in a 15 goal forward I don't think you'll be too far behind Braehead, Cardiff and Sheffield in terms of goal scoring, but you do have a very good netminder (when fit) and a decent looking defence.
I'm still not convinced by our (Sheffield) defence this season. When our squad was completed it was the one area that I had concerns about because of the poor +/- stats of our new signings. Having watched our Keystone Kop like performance on Sunday in our own defensive zone I remain to be convinced.
I guess every team will have some question marks against it, although Cardiff do look to be the team that's covered most bases, but I still think they'll find a way to blow it because that's what they do.
Braehead should win the title, they have Erhardt fire power in their forwards but have the luxury of playing in the Gardiner Conference, but somehow they keep finding new and glorious ways to blow it, although surely it's this season they finally break their hoodoo.....isn't it?
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Doom What did you reckon different teams were looking like on the goals totals over a season?
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Sept 7, 2016 19:48:32 GMT
Brian mcgrattan tweeted panthers? Around an hour ago
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Post by panthers_nyr on Sept 7, 2016 20:07:37 GMT
Brian mcgrattan tweeted panthers? Around an hour ago Random question mark, get the feeling we're messing him around or ignoring a message? I hope we don't miss a chance on a guy like McGrattan!!
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Sept 7, 2016 20:26:39 GMT
Definitely contact between McGratton and Panthers for him to tweet us (he doesn't follow Panthers either). I suspect this could well be Panthers holding back the announcement...
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Post by panthers_nyr on Sept 7, 2016 20:30:17 GMT
Definitely contact between McGratton and Panthers for him to tweet us (he doesn't follow Panthers either). I suspect this could well be Panthers holding back the announcement... That's a fair shout, I hope that's the case and we aren't messing around an experienced player like Brian.
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Post by PantherB on Sept 7, 2016 20:33:23 GMT
I'd assume the amount of desperate tweets he's had from our fans has forced him to tweet it. The questionmark could either indicate a 'Me to Panthers?..' or a 'Who are these Panthers i keep getting tweeted about?'
Very little can be taken from it though, he's probably just fed up of the tweets saying 'McGrattan to Panthers'
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Post by Doom on Sept 7, 2016 20:48:38 GMT
What did you reckon different teams were looking like on the goals totals over a season? I've got it: Braehead 210 Cardiff 200 Sheffield 195 Nottingham 180 (one to come) Fife 180 Belfast 170 Dundee 165 Edinburgh 165 Manchester 165 Coventry 160 I suspect Braehead is a little high and Coventry a little low, but I can see the rest being there or there abouts. I do weight it for the conferences, so when all players are added up individually Cardiff comes to a higher figure than Braehead, but Cardiff will be playing more games against better teams. As for McGrattan, if you could pull that one off it would be great for you and the league. A top end tough guy who should be capable of more than 20 goals. Regards Doom
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Post by jdizpt8 on Sept 7, 2016 21:18:04 GMT
I'd assume the amount of desperate tweets he's had from our fans has forced him to tweet it. The questionmark could either indicate a 'Me to Panthers?..' or a 'Who are these Panthers i keep getting tweeted about?' Very little can be taken from it though, he's probably just fed up of the tweets saying 'McGrattan to Panthers' I'd imagine he most players are aware of the EIHL as we've had Players come over during lockouts, then Westgarth, Cam and now Rosehill and Bordelaualaualeualeaue (no idea how it's spelt) come over here. The leagues attracting ex NHL tough guys because it's one of the only leagues they can fight in these days and be adored by thousands of fans (taking it from a panthers view point) Weve now had Scott McGrattan and the other chap do tweets of similar fashion, hoping to wake up to a McGrattan announcement.
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Post by PantherB on Sept 7, 2016 21:24:51 GMT
I'd assume the amount of desperate tweets he's had from our fans has forced him to tweet it. The questionmark could either indicate a 'Me to Panthers?..' or a 'Who are these Panthers i keep getting tweeted about?' Very little can be taken from it though, he's probably just fed up of the tweets saying 'McGrattan to Panthers' I'd imagine he most players are aware of the EIHL as we've had Players come over during lockouts, then Westgarth, Cam and now Rosehill and Bordelaualaualeualeaue (no idea how it's spelt) come over here. The leagues attracting ex NHL tough guys because it's one of the only leagues they can fight in these days and be adored by thousands of fans (taking it from a panthers view point) Weve now had Scott McGrattan and the other chap do tweets of similar fashion, hoping to wake up to a McGrattan announcement. Good points but i'd be surprised if McGrattan paid more than a glance's worth of attention to the league. He's had so much going on in the NHL/AHL he's probably had little time to breathe. I know he works with the NHLPA Substance Abuse Programme a lot having been a recipient of their rehabilitation in the past too. Personally, as much as i'd love him in a Panthers jersey i just can't see it. 35 years old, a big figure in the hockey world for his personality etc.. Does all the work with the NHLPA, if he came over here then it'd certainly be a case of going out on a bang and wanting to play hockey whilst getting a chance to fight some of the best but other than that he'd have so many off-ice positions available to him which is why i don't think he'll come here and the tweet is just a 'Who are Panthers?' kinda thing.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Sept 7, 2016 21:30:15 GMT
I'd imagine he most players are aware of the EIHL as we've had Players come over during lockouts, then Westgarth, Cam and now Rosehill and Bordelaualaualeualeaue (no idea how it's spelt) come over here. The leagues attracting ex NHL tough guys because it's one of the only leagues they can fight in these days and be adored by thousands of fans (taking it from a panthers view point) Weve now had Scott McGrattan and the other chap do tweets of similar fashion, hoping to wake up to a McGrattan announcement. Good points but i'd be surprised if McGrattan paid more than a glance's worth of attention to the league. He's had so much going on in the NHL/AHL he's probably had little time to breathe. I know he works with the NHLPA Substance Abuse Programme a lot having been a recipient of their rehabilitation in the past too. Personally, as much as i'd love him in a Panthers jersey i just can't see it. 35 years old, a big figure in the hockey world for his personality etc.. Does all the work with the NHLPA, if he came over here then it'd certainly be a case of going out on a bang and wanting to play hockey whilst getting a chance to fight some of the best but other than that he'd have so many off-ice positions available to him which is why i don't think he'll come here and the tweet is just a 'Who are Panthers?' kinda thing. Valid point but we didn't see the Cam signing anywhere, one can hope hey. If he were to come it would be a dope
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