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Post by mattscold on Jan 27, 2016 11:15:36 GMT
Saw this on Steeltalk, not sure if its been mentioned on here. So what's peoples thoughts on this? Over sensitivity or do they have a point?? link
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Post by panthersdave on Jan 27, 2016 11:20:20 GMT
They absolutely have a point.
It is nobody's "right" to watch a game, you normally have to pay for it.
The same applies at any cinema, theatre etc.
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Post by mattscold on Jan 27, 2016 11:24:36 GMT
To be honest, this is the first I've even heard of Persicope. The trouble is for me, if thats the case with a lot of people they may have just made the issue far worse, rather than better.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 27, 2016 11:32:59 GMT
They have a point (it is after all their 'brand' and they have a right to protect it) BUT, if the EIHL weren't so backwards in its approach to streaming etc there wouldn't be the demand pushing individuals to do this.
The quality of streaming among teams is variable at best, from excellent quality (Steelers) through to dire (Edinburgh) and non-existent (Nottingham and Braehead), but there are also issues of consistency too (Sheffield cancelling a planned stream for example).
Then there is the extremely poor coverage by Premier Sport, perhaps best illustrated by their "sorry, rats chewed our cables" excuse the other week.
Why is it that a sport that plays to smaller attendances such as the British Basketball League managed to run a centrally-run streaming service for all games yet the EIHL still fumbles around like luddites? The pay-off for the BBL was that their streaming service (and footage quality) was deemed good enough that Sky have now approached them and are showing regular games.
There is an obvious demand for streamed games. Not everyone can travel yet people still want to see their teams play. It's about time the EIHL as a whole realised this and dealt with it, as a whole.
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Post by Pies on Jan 27, 2016 11:48:17 GMT
I don't understand why the league don't set up an EIHL version of game center with all the teams included and then do 2 things: have a monthly amount you pay to watch games back but any live games you want to watch you have to pay a small premium for to watch live otherwise you have to wait 24 /48 hours to watch to keep attendances up.
You can then have magazine shows, highlights, goal/player of the week/ month - do a package for all invlived
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Post by nate24 on Jan 27, 2016 11:51:18 GMT
I would like to see them enforce a ban. they barely enforce player bans when a hit is so dirty the victim has to shower in bleach to get clean. No Welsh teams mentioned.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 27, 2016 11:58:03 GMT
Yes, they're right to protect their property.
Agree with Tootoo et al above though, some form of EIHL Game Center would be ideal. Can't see Gary going for it.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 27, 2016 12:02:48 GMT
They have a point (it is after all their 'brand' and they have a right to protect it) BUT, if the EIHL weren't so backwards in its approach to streaming etc there wouldn't be the demand pushing individuals to do this. The quality of streaming among teams is variable at best, from excellent quality (Steelers) through to dire (Edinburgh) and non-existent (Nottingham and Braehead), but there are also issues of consistency too (Sheffield cancelling a planned stream for example). Then there is the extremely poor coverage by Premier Sport, perhaps best illustrated by their "sorry, rats chewed our cables" excuse the other week. Why is it that a sport that plays to smaller attendances such as the British Basketball League managed to run a centrally-run streaming service for all games yet the EIHL still fumbles around like luddites? The pay-off for the BBL was that their streaming service (and footage quality) was deemed good enough that Sky have now approached them and are showing regular games. There is an obvious demand for streamed games. Not everyone can travel yet people still want to see their teams play. It's about time the EIHL as a whole realised this and dealt with it, as a whole. 100% agree with all this.
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 27, 2016 12:04:18 GMT
This seems to have become a problem in just a week. I only heard of one stream before this was announced. Has it been going on for a long time and I've just missed it?
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 27, 2016 12:08:36 GMT
Good luck.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 27, 2016 12:17:05 GMT
I would appeal to DOPS if caught...
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 27, 2016 12:19:29 GMT
I agree that they should be allowed to do this. But it seems pretty hard to enforce as far as i can see. Even if someone is caught how are they going to stop them attending games? All you need to do is buy tickets in someone elses name. The door staff at all the arena's aren't going to know peoples faces. It would be better if they could spot fine them but i dont know how that works legally. Bit of a tricky one i think.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 27, 2016 12:23:48 GMT
It would be pretty easy to ban a ST holder from their own rink though. The threat probably works on most people, wouldn't really be worth it.
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Post by mattscold on Jan 27, 2016 12:33:15 GMT
I don't understand why the league don't set up an EIHL version of game center with all the teams included and then do 2 things: have a monthly amount you pay to watch games back but any live games you want to watch you have to pay a small premium for to watch live otherwise you have to wait 24 /48 hours to watch to keep attendances up. You can then have magazine shows, highlights, goal/player of the week/ month - do a package for all invlived That is exactly what should happen in my opinion. Would be difficult to work out how to divide the proceeds i imagine. Unless they used some form of analytic software to assess which home games were watched more etc and pay dividends dependant on that.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 27, 2016 12:36:25 GMT
Woman sat next to me a few weeks back streamed pretty much the entire game through Periscope with her phone between dropping a pint of beer over herself and kicking over a bottle of water *&* puffing away on a vape at various points too!
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Post by Yotes on Jan 27, 2016 12:50:28 GMT
Woman sat next to me a few weeks back streamed pretty much the entire game through Periscope with her phone between dropping a pint of beer over herself and kicking over a bottle of water *&* puffing away on a vape at various points too! But other than that did Mrs TFS enjoy the game?
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 27, 2016 12:58:02 GMT
This seems to have become a problem in just a week. Is this something to do with the Storm/Panthers game?
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Post by Dan on Jan 27, 2016 13:03:36 GMT
If people are streaming the whole game then fine, but if it's snatches of the game then what's the problem?!
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 27, 2016 13:08:44 GMT
This seems to have become a problem in just a week. Is this something to do with the Phoenix/Panthers game? That's the only time I've ever seen a game streamed like this.
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Post by panthersdave on Jan 27, 2016 14:05:42 GMT
This seems to have become a problem in just a week. Is this something to do with the Phoenix/Panthers game? Erm, Storm
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 27, 2016 14:22:18 GMT
Is this something to do with the Phoenix/Panthers game? Erm, Storm Ha, you know what I meant. Ahh, Manchester Phoenix. Remember when they were a respectable hockey team?
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Post by NotMartinTuma on Jan 27, 2016 16:37:32 GMT
Ha, you know what I meant. Ahh, Manchester Phoenix. Remember when they were a respectable hockey team? No, can you?! ;-)
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 27, 2016 17:00:53 GMT
Woman sat next to me a few weeks back streamed pretty much the entire game through Periscope with her phone between dropping a pint of beer over herself and kicking over a bottle of water *&* puffing away on a vape at various points too! But other than that did Mrs TFS enjoy the game?
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2016 18:37:33 GMT
I'm sure I saw this question of could a fan stream from the game asked on here last week....but they don't read the Cage !
Didn't take the powers that be long to jump on this did it ? Haha
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 27, 2016 18:50:50 GMT
I think it started from the storm game. A panthers fan was streaming it and it was all over twitter that they were doing it. I saw it retweeted a few times that night.
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