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Post by nate24 on Jan 5, 2016 15:31:43 GMT
As much as I hate to feed his ego I want to understand the guy who boils my blood so I've had an idea. This is aimed at those who've been here through the good times and the bad. So three questions:
What he has done well?
What has he done badly?
And finally should he stay with an explanation for your opinion.
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Post by spik on Jan 5, 2016 15:35:59 GMT
1.Does the job well
2. Distant with the fans/jobs for the boys etc
3. No comment
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Post by Dan on Jan 5, 2016 15:39:59 GMT
We make a lot of money and we're stable. Other clubs spend more than they can and end up going bust. There's a price to pay for stability...
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 5, 2016 15:54:43 GMT
1. Shooting fish in a barrel. (The Panthers going bust would be a lot different to Hull going bust)
2. He isn't a people person. He is from an age when absolute control is the goal and anyone who thinks you are wrong is an idiot.
3. Its a job for someone 20+ years younger.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 5, 2016 15:56:18 GMT
We make a lot of money and we're stable. Other clubs spend more than they can and end up going bust. There's a price to pay for stability... It isn't his money to spend so I don't see he has any influence on that at all. |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 5, 2016 15:56:27 GMT
How old is he now? And how long has he been GM?
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Post by nate24 on Jan 5, 2016 16:02:52 GMT
How old is he now? And how long has he been GM? I read his first GM job was for the Titanic. |
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Post by wannabe2 on Jan 5, 2016 16:31:35 GMT
He is about 20yrs younger than me, so that makes him antique
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 16:39:07 GMT
Does anyone think part of the problem is that he's called the General Manager (whether bestowed upon himself or by Neil Black), when in reality that isn't his role at all. I've always viewed him as more of a 'Marketing and PR' type person who deals with signing British players in the absence of having a coach signed up.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 5, 2016 16:56:04 GMT
We must be getting a 5000+ average gate now, I know that East Mids sport isn't at its pinnacle (and Nottingham sport in particular), but that's not to be sniffed at, and he must've played some role in it. We're financially stable, we don't tend to wash our dirties in public and we rarely seem to be in any form of crisis - at least one that isn't related to on ice activities. I don't think he utilizes the available resource from those 5000+ fans. Things like the rubbish opening video, which seems a minor thing but would be so easy to fix if he asked for some help. Ask on the website if anyone wants to have a go, give them access to archive footage and photos and I'd guarantee you'd get a better outcome than the thing we (presumably) paid for. There's a divide between the club and fans, no matter how many "best fans in the league" bits we get, it's very clearly there and doesn't seem to be at other clubs. It doesn't (and in my time, never has) feel like we're one entity, we're apart from the club. Maybe a few people who cough up the sponsorship cash get to feel involved, until they stop coughing up the cash anyway, but for the rest of us we're customers. I tend to the opinion that this stems from him. The block 18 thing was another sign of it, you've got our guys trying to get something going over there, to help the team, and, by accounts of people on here who were affected by it, he puts a road block up by trying to make money on it and kills it. It's not so much him doing something badly, but rather that the club could be even more than it is, he seems to be the brake. And finally should he stay with an explanation for your opinion. I think he'll be there til they carry him out in a box tbh, but I'd like to see some new ideas, new thinking. To answer my own question, EP suggests this is his 19th season, so maybe he'll do 20 and retire, but I doubt it. |
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 5, 2016 17:08:08 GMT
We came in half way through the Grand Slam season so I can't comment on anything previous to that. Since then...
1. His rebuffles to Simmsy
2. P.R. with fans
3. He's committed and black & gold through the middle so maybe should be offered an 'honoury' position in recognition of this with a new younger management/commercial team coming in with fresh ideas to drive us forward?
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jan 5, 2016 17:29:13 GMT
He gets bums on seats and money in the pot - I do however feel this would happen regardless of who was the GM we've got a big fan base and the fixtures or returning players draw the crowd
He's set in his ways and doesn't see to keep up with the times and try's to be funny but it's just awkwardly embarrassing.
I'd like to see a new GM in with new ideas to improve the highlights, push forward social media with better segments and a webcast.
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Post by iginla on Jan 5, 2016 17:38:54 GMT
1. He's done a good job with crowds,but then again with a GM the fans connected with we would be selling out because it's a very easy sell.
2. Oh lord there's a heck of a lot he's done and continues to do wrong.
He's pig ignorant.
He's arrogant.
He's vindictive.
He's rude.
He's so thick skinned he doesn't care who he upsets.
He publicly makes cheesy overtures to the fans whilst privately treating them with complete disdain.
He will never take up an idea,unless it's his own.
He doesn't utilise the fans qualities,unless it's to somehow save Panthers money.
His interview technique is awful,cheesy,predictable and boring.
He won't listen.
He goes way way over the top with spin and BS.
He makes a prat of himself when he should keep his mouth shut and says nothing when he should be sticking up for the club.
He will completely ignore the best chance of winning or gaining advantage if it means a bigger crowd.
He favours a yes man coach rather than the best man.
He treats players poorly at times.
He treats sponsors even worse than players.
3. He should go as quickly as possible,he is the ONE thing holding the Panthers back !
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Post by Dan on Jan 5, 2016 17:45:12 GMT
We make a lot of money and we're stable. Other clubs spend more than they can and end up going bust. There's a price to pay for stability... It isn't his money to spend so I don't see he has any influence on that at all. Unless my understanding of the GM role is off the mark, he sets the budgets. He says what we can sign and how much for. The coach picks the player, but GM authorises it. It is his money really. 1. He's done a good job with crowds,but then again with a GM the fans connected with we would be selling out because it's a very easy sell. 2. Oh lord there's a heck of a lot he's done and continues to do wrong. He's pig ignorant. He's arrogant. He's vindictive. He's rude. He's so thick skinned he doesn't care who he upsets. He publicly makes cheesy overtures to the fans whilst privately treating them with complete disdain. He will never take up an idea,unless it's his own. He doesn't utilise the fans qualities,unless it's to somehow save Panthers money. His interview technique is awful,cheesy,predictable and boring. He won't listen. He goes way way over the top with spin and BS. He makes a prat of himself when he should keep his mouth shut and says nothing when he should be sticking up for the club. He will completely ignore the best chance of winning or gaining advantage if it means a bigger crowd. He favours a yes man coach rather than the best man. He treats players poorly at times. He treats sponsors even worse than players. 3. He should go as quickly as possible,he is the ONE thing holding the Panthers back ! Far be it from me to stick up for GM but there's not a single actual fact there, it's all opinion and conjecture and all of it gained from third hand information and rumour. This club goes through multiple stages. If we're winning it's all great. If we're losing and someone sucks then it's the player's fault. If we're losing and we can't really pinpoint a reason why, it's GM's fault. His job is to keep the club in the black and competitive. We're in the black and competitive. You can say he's a bit of a penny pincher but we have actually signed replacements along the way (Hardy, Lawrence and the supposed new guy) and the Wiikman thing has been very hard to play. You don't go through the palava of bringing in another starting NM as cover until you know for a fact the goalie is out for a while, Mika has been constantly a week away from returning. You say he's holding us back....how exactly? What decisions do you know for a fact he's making that are stopping us from winning? |
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Post by iginla on Jan 5, 2016 17:49:55 GMT
No Dan.
It is Neil Black who has the final say on who we sign and how much for......and he uses his veto often !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 5, 2016 17:53:07 GMT
It isn't his money to spend so I don't see he has any influence on that at all. Unless my understanding of the GM role is off the mark, he sets the budgets. He says what we can sign and how much for. The coach picks the player, but GM authorises it. It is his money really. 1. He's done a good job with crowds,but then again with a GM the fans connected with we would be selling out because it's a very easy sell. 2. Oh lord there's a heck of a lot he's done and continues to do wrong. He's pig ignorant. He's arrogant. He's vindictive. He's rude. He's so thick skinned he doesn't care who he upsets. He publicly makes cheesy overtures to the fans whilst privately treating them with complete disdain. He will never take up an idea,unless it's his own. He doesn't utilise the fans qualities,unless it's to somehow save Panthers money. His interview technique is awful,cheesy,predictable and boring. He won't listen. He goes way way over the top with spin and BS. He makes a prat of himself when he should keep his mouth shut and says nothing when he should be sticking up for the club. He will completely ignore the best chance of winning or gaining advantage if it means a bigger crowd. He favours a yes man coach rather than the best man. He treats players poorly at times. He treats sponsors even worse than players. 3. He should go as quickly as possible,he is the ONE thing holding the Panthers back ! Far be it from me to stick up for GM but there's not a single actual fact there, it's all opinion and conjecture and all of it gained from third hand information and rumour. This club goes through multiple stages. If we're winning it's all great. If we're losing and someone sucks then it's the player's fault. If we're losing and we can't really pinpoint a reason why, it's GM's fault. His job is to keep the club in the black and competitive. We're in the black and competitive. You can say he's a bit of a penny pincher but we have actually signed replacements along the way (Hardy, Lawrence and the supposed new guy) and the Wiikman thing has been very hard to play. You don't go through the palava of bringing in another starting NM as cover until you know for a fact the goalie is out for a while, Mika has been constantly a week away from returning. It's his "budget" but it's NB who has to balance the books. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 5, 2016 17:56:13 GMT
Wrong again Dan.
I have personal experience of every single fan based opinion in my post as you call it,close knowledge of others and as for anything else,well it's there for all to see.
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Post by Dan on Jan 5, 2016 17:57:15 GMT
No Dan. It is Neil Black who has the final say on who we sign and how much for......and he uses his veto often ! ...and you know this how exactly? You speak with a lot of confidence about behind-the-scenes acts. Wrong again Dan. I have personal experience of every single fan based opinion in my post as you call it,close knowledge of others and as for anything else,well it's there for all to see. Colour me skeptical, you're hardly the easiest guy to get along with  |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 5, 2016 17:59:16 GMT
No Dan. It is Neil Black who has the final say on who we sign and how much for......and he uses his veto often ! As the owner there isn't a lot you can say about that unless it all went horribly wrong and then you could say I told you so. A couple of others and myself spoke to him about this a good few years ago at an AGM at Meadow Lane and he was quite open and happy to put across his points of view and thinking behind what he was doing in the grand plan of things. At the end of the day it's his set of marbles and he can do anything he wants with them. |
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Post by mattscold on Jan 5, 2016 18:00:39 GMT
He gets bums on seats and money in the pot - I do however feel this would happen regardless of who was the GM we've got a big fan base and the fixtures or returning players draw the crowd He's set in his ways and doesn't see to keep up with the times and try's to be funny but it's just awkwardly embarrassing. I'd like to see a new GM in with new ideas to improve the highlights, push forward social media with better segments and a webcast. Although I don't like the man, it is unfair to say this is regardless of who was in charge. We didn't have a large fanbase, this has grown massively. It wasn't that long ago when i could go online on the day of a game and get front row seats in blocks 13/14. No chance now, not even against the smallest clubs. Yes moving to the the arena helped, But you only have to look at Steelers for what could have happened. Their crowds have been poor for years considering what they used to be (granted they are picking up a bit now) For what it's worth, I would like to see him retire and new blood bought in. I think someone like Adey would be perfect. |
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Post by Dan on Jan 5, 2016 18:03:46 GMT
No Dan. It is Neil Black who has the final say on who we sign and how much for......and he uses his veto often ! As the owner there isn't a lot you can say about that unless it all went horribly wrong and then you could say I told you so. A couple of others and myself spoke to him about this a good few years ago at an AGM at Meadow Lane and he was quite open and happy to put across his points of view and thinking behind what he was doing in the grand plan of things. At the end of the day it's his set of marbles and he can do anything he wants with them. And let's not forget we're probably the most successful club in the recent era too. We've gone nearly one season without a trophy and the fans are really kicking off, is there a sense of entitlement with the Panthers? I mean, I used to be the same. Far too wound up by failure and needed to take a step away (100 miles to be precise) to see it really. Back then we'd not won anything in an age either... |
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Post by Dan on Jan 5, 2016 18:04:36 GMT
He gets bums on seats and money in the pot - I do however feel this would happen regardless of who was the GM we've got a big fan base and the fixtures or returning players draw the crowd He's set in his ways and doesn't see to keep up with the times and try's to be funny but it's just awkwardly embarrassing. I'd like to see a new GM in with new ideas to improve the highlights, push forward social media with better segments and a webcast. We didn't have a big fanbase when GM entered the hotseat though. If it was so easy why don't all clubs see the same success? |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 5, 2016 18:10:08 GMT
If it was so easy why don't all clubs see the same success? Not all clubs get given a, ahem, fabulous arena to try and fill. I agree that the growth in the crowd shouldn't be dismissed, although I do think it's probably had good conditions to grow. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 5, 2016 18:28:36 GMT
As the owner there isn't a lot you can say about that unless it all went horribly wrong and then you could say I told you so. A couple of others and myself spoke to him about this a good few years ago at an AGM at Meadow Lane and he was quite open and happy to put across his points of view and thinking behind what he was doing in the grand plan of things. At the end of the day it's his set of marbles and he can do anything he wants with them. And let's not forget we're probably the most successful club in the recent era too. We've gone nearly one season without a trophy and the fans are really kicking off, is there a sense of entitlement with the Panthers? I mean, I used to be the same. Far too wound up by failure and needed to take a step away (100 miles to be precise) to see it really. Back then we'd not won anything in an age either... With great respect to others who think different I really don't see the CC as a success at all for anything other than selling more tickets. Yes it's better to win something than to lose but in a way the CC has been a bit of a millstone as it's been an excuse to hold up a cup. Winning the play-offs have of course been fantastic but to see the CC as some sort of justification for a successful season when we have won the league just the once and winning the league just the once I see as a monumental failure for an organisation as big as the Panthers. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 5, 2016 18:31:01 GMT
He gets bums on seats and money in the pot - I do however feel this would happen regardless of who was the GM we've got a big fan base and the fixtures or returning players draw the crowd He's set in his ways and doesn't see to keep up with the times and try's to be funny but it's just awkwardly embarrassing. I'd like to see a new GM in with new ideas to improve the highlights, push forward social media with better segments and a webcast. We didn't have a big fanbase when GM entered the hotseat though. If it was so easy why don't all clubs see the same success? I think he would have struggled at Hull and a lot of other places. Nottingham was THE place and he was THE guy. But it's 2016 now. |
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