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Post by fishman on Sept 21, 2015 12:12:52 GMT
Is Neil Blacks "Panthers will play 4 line hockey" become to much of a distraction for the Panthers, CN sending out pick and mix lines drives me to distraction so lord knows what the players must think?
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Post by 5+game on Sept 21, 2015 12:31:52 GMT
Is Neil Blacks "Panthers will play 4 line hockey" become to much of a distraction for the Panthers, CN sending out pick and mix lines drives me to distraction so lord knows what the players must think? We cant even play 2 line hockey at the minute |
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Post by flyerpanther on Sept 21, 2015 14:19:24 GMT
Is Neil Blacks "Panthers will play 4 line hockey" become to much of a distraction for the Panthers, CN sending out pick and mix lines drives me to distraction so lord knows what the players must think? We cant even play 2 line hockey at the minute The risk of playing 4 line hockey is that players can be 'switched off' whilst sitting on the bench indeed they can struggle to get up to the pace and intensity of the game. Tinkering with lines also results in misplaced passes and lack of cohesion which other teams will exploit. The argument against 2 line hockey is about fitness/injury but the arguments against 4 lines are still valid. Now if you are say an NHL team with good quality throughout lines 3 & 4 and have loads of commitment to practice time then it may be worth experimenting with 4 lines..but not in EIHL. The Panthers mgt and coaching team need a reality check and align their ambitions with you fans. Get an exciting team with goals and with skill onto the ice and play with commitment. Ive seen the Flyers a couple of times so far this season and I estimate we'll lose 40% of our games. We barely have enough depth to play 3 lines successfully but everyone is committed and our top 2 lines are full of goalscorers who arent afraid to shoot or take a risk going forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 15:02:00 GMT
Is Neil Blacks "Panthers will play 4 line hockey" become to much of a distraction for the Panthers, CN sending out pick and mix lines drives me to distraction so lord knows what the players must think? Losing Clarke, Weidergut, Waugh and Myers temporarily may have contributed to that... |
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Post by ted logan on Sept 21, 2015 15:34:21 GMT
So, with the injured players all seemingly ruled out indefinitely and no signings apparently imminent, at the moment we (should) have:-
Wiikman
Green
Lee Dimmen
Oakford Schmidt
Mosey Swindlehurst
Kolnik Moran Bohmbach
Schultz Macmillan Farmer
Janssen Myers Lachowicz
Betteridge
Already an import short and with 3 potential mid-long term injuries, we really are already cutting things a bit fine now in terms of personnel. We have had to shift Mosey back on D, give Oakford regular shifts and only have one left shot on D. Nowhere near 4 forward lines, although the 3 lines plus Ollie as a spare doesn't look too bad but it's only one injury away from being down to 9 forwards.
Not sure if we are waiting for all the NHL tryouts to see who does/doesn't make it (Lepine for example is with Ottawa at the moment) and then see who we can pick up. If it works out and we get a couple of gems then great. If not and we end up with more injuries, square pegs in round holes and unsettled lines, then we might struggle short term and even long term.
Time will tell I guess. I do still think there is bags of potential in this team. If we can pick up the missing piece of the jigsaw ( a sniper?) shake of the injury curse, we could/should challenge for all 3 trophies this season.
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Post by nate24 on Sept 21, 2015 15:40:58 GMT
I think Corey's waiting too.I just hope his targets are European otherwise we are looking at November for new blood.
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Post by spik on Sept 21, 2015 18:21:36 GMT
Too many injuries in a season with this squad to allow 4 lines. Players would never get a regular line to play with.
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Post by iginla on Sept 21, 2015 19:15:48 GMT
I am agreeing that the four lines seems to cause more confusion and a seeming lack of intensity,when it should create more intensity as players are fresher.
Mixing and matching nearly always seems to be Corey's way though and it doesn't work.
There is an inkling of player thoughts and frustration if you watch Brad Moran on the Manchester highlights interview.
I take some of his comments as saying,we aren't clicking because we keep playing with different line mates every other shift !
Remember the last team we had with set in stone lines.....the grand slam team.
You looked on the ice and saw Ling and you just knew Benedict and Graham were there too and the same with the other two lines.
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Post by marksteeler on Sept 21, 2015 20:21:34 GMT
Four lines didn't seem to effect steelers even with thommo tinkering with the lines too.
I think the biggest worry for panthers is 2 brits injured, imports replaceable but where can you find the 50/60 goals you may well be losing.
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Post by nate24 on Sept 21, 2015 21:08:06 GMT
Four lines didn't seem to effect steelers even with thommo tinkering with the lines too. I think the biggest worry for panthers is 2 brits injured, imports replaceable but where can you find the 50/60 goals you may well be losing. Only Clarke is injured isn't it? |
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Post by Mozzy on Sept 21, 2015 23:55:55 GMT
Four lines didn't seem to effect steelers even with thommo tinkering with the lines too. I think the biggest worry for panthers is 2 brits injured, imports replaceable but where can you find the 50/60 goals you may well be losing. Steelers haven't played 4 lines in Elite League play. Hewitt and Ferrara are spare forwards. Ferrara picking up plenty of ice time on the third PP unit. Hewitt playing on the first PK unit. Thommo is looking for another young Brit to make a 4th line but it won't be a regular line. Not sure there is any need at all in the EIHL to play 4 line hockey. IMO of course. |
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Post by pantherdman on Sept 23, 2015 11:20:51 GMT
Totally agree 4 line hockey is pointless.
We should have signed to full compliment
Then trimmed the squad if necessary getting rid of the under performers or long term injured.
We are playing short already, what is it 5th game? Silly situation.
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Post by flyerpanther on Sept 23, 2015 12:58:02 GMT
Corey couldnt find 4 lines in a wordsearch
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Post by flyerpanther on Sept 23, 2015 13:01:37 GMT
Corey couldnt find 4 lines in a wordsearch ...or on a fitba coupon (one for the old skoolers) |
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Post by flyerpanther on Sept 23, 2015 13:05:23 GMT
Corey couldnt find 4 lines in a wordsearch ...or on a fitba coupon (one for the old skoolers) Or in an Elite league angling competition...cmon theres more! |
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Post by spik on Sept 23, 2015 19:40:12 GMT
But we have a fifth line.
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 23, 2015 19:54:10 GMT
But we have a fifth line. Not at the NIC! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 20:08:17 GMT
But we have a fifth line. Yeah but they dress in orange for some reason. |
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Post by yeti on Sept 23, 2015 23:26:00 GMT
Best four line team in British hockey was the grand slam winning Aye team. Just steam rollered everybody else. Showed it can be done here. Nothing wrong with signing enough players for 4 lines which we have. Would you rather sign enough for three lines and then have 3 out injured leaving you with just two lines? Realistically having enough for four lines means even with injuries you should be able to play at least three lines every game.
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Post by spik on Sept 24, 2015 8:20:29 GMT
Best four line team in British hockey was the grand slam winning Aye team. Just steam rollered everybody else. Showed it can be done here. Nothing wrong with signing enough players for 4 lines which we have. Would you rather sign enough for three lines and then have 3 out injured leaving you with just two lines? Realistically having enough for four lines means even with injuries you should be able to play at least three lines every game. Of course this is true. But then you have 3 lines with spares. What we or any team for that matter would struggle with is a permanent ( non juggling of) four line set. Anyway, lets see how it goes. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 24, 2015 10:39:38 GMT
Is Neil Blacks "Panthers will play 4 line hockey" become to much of a distraction for the Panthers, CN sending out pick and mix lines drives me to distraction so lord knows what the players must think? I think it's more of a distraction for us lot, I don't think Neilson is trying to play 4 lines, he just occasionally has enough players to do so. Mixing up the lines is his M.O., he's always done it. Black should never have said the 13+9 thing, he didn't need to say it. I guess it sounded good at the time but it just built a false expectation. I don't think anyone has any issue with the budget he's clearly made available to Neilson again this year (at least I don't), so that's his bit done. How Neilson spends it is up to him. |
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Post by yeti on Sept 24, 2015 21:11:54 GMT
Yes Corey constantly changing the lines does my head in. Funny how the year we won the league ect. From the Nov we had settled lines and no injuries to the forwards to upset the lines.
Why when we have an injured forward he changes all the three top lines instead of just droping one of the forth line into the place of the injured player I'll never understand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 21:57:21 GMT
Nielson prefers pressure hockey with 3 good lines as opposed to one top line. He likes to wear teams down and try to dominate entire periods rather than phases of play. I'd prefer one top line to get the majority of the goals with others chipping in.
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Post by dgardner on Sept 24, 2015 23:37:10 GMT
I Think its right to have 3 good lines rather than 1 good line with others chipping, especially with the quality we have signed, with bohmbach, schulz, kolnik and moran all hopefully logging 25+ goals, along with brits such as lacho and clarke(when fit) factored in with the right line mates they could also hit 20 and 25/30 respectively, macmillan also seems to be a threat around the goal. My biggest worry is that even though our d is strong, we dont seem to have a d man with the execption of dimmen who looks comfortable quarterbacking the powerplay, which is why i think our PP has struggled recently and our transition play has not been great.
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Post by nate24 on Sept 25, 2015 7:13:00 GMT
I Think its right to have 3 good lines rather than 1 good line with others chipping, especially with the quality we have signed, with bohmbach, schulz, kolnik and moran all hopefully logging 25+ goals, along with brits such as lacho and clarke(when fit) factored in with the right line mates they could also hit 20 and 25/30 respectively, macmillan also seems to be a threat around the goal. My biggest worry is that even though our d is strong, we dont seem to have a d man with the execption of dimmen who looks comfortable quarterbacking the powerplay, which is why i think our PP has struggled recently and our transition play has not been great. I thought the reason Corey always put a forward on D was to take the QB role? I see what your saying but I feel the issue with the power play isn't the set up, that works well, it looks like the inability to take a shot when we have cycled the pick for 15 seconds or more. |
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