Farmer suspension lifted but Cohen suspended for one game!

[nate24]

www.panthers.co.uk/content/farms-cleared-colby-cohen-suspended?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[PantherTom]

Can't believe this! Saturday's game is looking very grim now!

[5+game]

Well done panthers, whoever let that highlight package get put on the internet need sacking. There is only one angle that shows Cohen kick out at brookwell and it didnt need to be included in the video so the panthers have managed to get their own player suspended for a massive game

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2015 7:32:30 GMT 5+game said:

Well done panthers, whoever let that highlight package get put on the internet need sacking. There is only one angle that shows Cohen kick out at brookwell and it didnt need to be included in the video so the panthers have managed to get their own player suspended for a massive game

I'd rather be saying bravo to Cohen for kicking a guy rather than blaming the club

[Shorty]

Feb 6, 2015 7:32:30 GMT 5+game said:

Well done panthers, whoever let that highlight package get put on the internet need sacking. There is only one angle that shows Cohen kick out at brookwell and it didnt need to be included in the video so the panthers have managed to get their own player suspended for a massive game

So its ok to edit the game videos that get sent to the DOPS then?

There is only one person to blame here, and thats the player.

[claretgiant]

Feb 6, 2015 7:48:27 GMT toothfairy said:

Feb 6, 2015 7:32:30 GMT 5+game said:

Well done panthers, whoever let that highlight package get put on the internet need sacking. There is only one angle that shows Cohen kick out at brookwell and it didnt need to be included in the video so the panthers have managed to get their own player suspended for a massive game

I'd rather be saying bravo to Cohen for kicking a guy rather than blaming the club

What a ridiculous comment.....bravo for kicking an opponent ......seriously.
So you condone a player kicking a player? Personally I feel DOPs have copped out on this one. Both incidents are a complete no no....both players are extremely lucky only to be sitting out one game, was expecting at least 3.
As for slating the people who put the footage up, and all angles, that's who I say bravo to. Incidents like that need to be kept out of the game, regardless of if its your own teams player or a opposition player.

[HoHoHo]

How come Lloyd's still playing then?

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2015 8:00:49 GMT claretgiant said:

Feb 6, 2015 7:48:27 GMT toothfairy said:

I'd rather be saying bravo to Cohen for kicking a guy rather than blaming the club

What a ridiculous comment.....bravo for kicking an opponent ......seriously.
So you condone a player kicking a player? Personally I feel DOPs have copped out on this one. Both incidents are a complete no no....both players are extremely lucky only to be sitting out one game, was expecting at least 3.
As for slating the people who put the footage up, and all angles, that's who I say bravo to. Incidents like that need to be kept out of the game, regardless of if its your own teams player or a opposition player.

You don't get my point. He's saying "well done" to panthers for getting Cohen banned, whereas I'm saying he should be saying "well done" to Cohen for getting himself banned. Calm down.

[Discoray]

DOPS always request full footage from any official camera recording the match, so it would not have mattered if the full incident was in the highlights or not. Failure to provide the requested footage results in the same fine Edinburgh got at the start of the season.

This is one of the points I raised when DOPS was first announced, to get the most out of it you need a multi-camera setup in place. Of course the downside is it can hurt you some days, and help on others.

[claretgiant]

Feb 6, 2015 8:06:11 GMT toothfairy said:

Feb 6, 2015 8:00:49 GMT claretgiant said:

What a ridiculous comment.....bravo for kicking an opponent ......seriously.
So you condone a player kicking a player? Personally I feel DOPs have copped out on this one. Both incidents are a complete no no....both players are extremely lucky only to be sitting out one game, was expecting at least 3.
As for slating the people who put the footage up, and all angles, that's who I say bravo to. Incidents like that need to be kept out of the game, regardless of if its your own teams player or a opposition player.

You don't get my point. He's saying "well done" to panthers for getting Cohen banned, whereas I'm saying he should be saying "well done" to Cohen for getting himself banned. Calm down.

Im sorry,please accept my apology...my quote was meant for the prior post and not yours(slip of the finger...lol)

[pingchowchi]

I was expecting more to be honest (for both players), but I was also expecting farms to be totally cleared and for AK47 to get a game as well.

[5+game]

Feb 6, 2015 8:10:18 GMT Discoray said:

DOPS always request full footage from any official camera recording the match, so it would not have mattered if the full incident was in the highlights or not. Failure to provide the requested footage results in the same fine Edinburgh got at the start of the season.

This is one of the points I raised when DOPS was first announced, to get the most out of it you need a multi-camera setup in place. Of course the downside is it can hurt you some days, and help on others.

All you need to provide is the game tape. The multiple angles are not part of that and could have been lost/deleted.

We have lost lee, Higgins, wild lacho all by hits/slashes that have gone un banned bout time we levelled the playing field abit.

No matter how you dress it up we could have had Cohen playing saturday if for a bit of extra thinking by the powers that be

[smart6]

So Farms gets third man in ok but how many were attacking Cohen? To me it looks like he as being held down whilst being speared

[grumpy]

Can`t really grumble as I thought Cohen was lucky to only get two minutes at the time, although why Keefe wasn`t also penalised only Hicks knows. What annoys me more is that we are missing two D men with concussion as a result of illegal high hits from Blaze players - both dirty and deliberate - we lose Lee for probably at least 8 games, Wild for ?, one of their players gets a four game ban and no action appears to have been taken against Jorgenson although I though a review was automatic in such cases.

[goon37]

Feb 6, 2015 8:00:49 GMT claretgiant said:

Feb 6, 2015 7:48:27 GMT toothfairy said:

I'd rather be saying bravo to Cohen for kicking a guy rather than blaming the club

What a ridiculous comment.....bravo for kicking an opponent ......seriously.
So you condone a player kicking a player? Personally I feel DOPs have copped out on this one. Both incidents are a complete no no....both players are extremely lucky only to be sitting out one game, was expecting at least 3.
As for slating the people who put the footage up, and all angles, that's who I say bravo to. Incidents like that need to be kept out of the game, regardless of if its your own teams player or a opposition player.

When Petricko motioned to kick Myers he got a 3 game ban. But Petricko's was more cynical, rather than in a scrum, to be fair

[Doom]

This reminds me a little of the recent refereeing decision in football where the Ref gave a free kick just outside the box, even though the incident happened just inside the box and should therefore have been a penalty.

He probably thought a foul had been committed, but wasn't totally sure, so he reached a compromise by not giving the ultimate punishment (a penalty).

I think the same is true of Cohen. Had they been sure there was a deliberate kick then a 1 game ban is ridiculous, but I suspect having looked at it, although there is a very minor kicking motion, it's difficult to tell if it is a deliberate kick and therefore they've compromised by giving a minimal ban.

Whilst there will undoubtedly be some calling for a life ban and jail, I think 1 game is about fair....It looks a something and nothing incident to me.

Regards

Doom

[claretgiant]

Feb 6, 2015 6:15:47 GMT nate24 said:

www.panthers.co.uk/content/farms-cleared-colby-cohen-suspended?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

.....seriously? ummmmmm not a single mention of the Cohen slash to the mask of Chubak and the kick too...embarassing PR

[thebestpanthers]

Getting back to the actual incident - I have watched the video several times - not sure if the kick by Cohen was deliberate or not, if deliberate 3 game ban, if not deliberate no ban, if unsure discretion (no ban) - Brookwell, deliberate spearing, not once but twice, should be three game ban - Keefe, how can you miss the number of punches he throws but no penalty, no ban? - Farmer, penalty rescinded, correct, but this could so easily have cost us the game. - Personally I think the DOPS is a good idea, but (and it is a big but) it needs refining to allow for the injuries some of the incidents cause. It was supposedly set up to protect players from illegal or dangerous tackles, but the number of injuries teams have suffered (not only us) proves it needs more work doing on it. If a player is injured due to deliberate foul play then the perpetrator should be banned for at least the same length of time as the injured player is unable to play, and the club fined as well

[thebestpanthers]

Feb 6, 2015 9:59:25 GMT claretgiant said:

Feb 6, 2015 6:15:47 GMT nate24 said:

www.panthers.co.uk/content/farms-cleared-colby-cohen-suspended?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

.....seriously? ummmmmm not a single mention of the Cohen slash to the mask of Chubak and the kick too...embarassing PR

Or the punches by Keefe etc. etc.

[iginla]

And what does Brookwell get for multiple spearing to a guy lying defenceless on the ice.......one game,should have been 3 !!!!!!!

Or Keefe dropping with both knees on purpose with clear intent to try to hurt Cohen......nothing !!!!!!!!

Seems pretty fair to me......NOT !!!!!!!

[chris111]

Firstly I'm a Giants fan, just so everyone knows my loyalties here.

I have seen the video multiple times, I think DOPs have got this one very wrong indeed.

Firsty - I think Cohen deliberately kicks out at Brookwell. Now for obvious reasons that is a very dangerous and reckless act, and could leave to a nasty injury. 1 game for a kick? nope I'm sorry but at least 3 in my opinion, and if it causes injury I would say more. But yes I think Cohen in this case got off lightly, I think he should of had a 3 game ban.

Secondly - Brookwell Slash and Spear. I hate spearing, just like kicking its a very dangerous act in this sport. Brookwell reacted to the kick, but he did so in a manner that could cause serious injury also. The Kick and the Spear are not acceptable in this game in my opinion. I think Brookwell got off lightly also, I think he probably should have seen a minimum for 3 games for his part in this also.

DOPs need to buck up their act, I would like to see a table of serious play and the suspension it carries. Because right now to me it seems there is a lack of clarity on bans, and others players have seemed to be more harshly punished while serious incidents get away with hardly anything. Why cant the league release a table with certain incidents, what ban it carries, if its a repeat offender additional game or two. e.g.

Incident | First Ban | Repeat offender

Kicking 3 add 1
Spearing 3 5

Thats a very simplistic representation here, of course a spear my be more serious in different circumstances, so could also have a level of severity taken into account. Spear (low sev) - 3 Spear (medium - sev) - 4 Spear (High sev) - 5. So

Something like that but certainly I would like to know what each incident carriers as a ban.

Anyway just my opinion

[Deleted]

I think a lot are forgetting O Marra got 4 games... yes 4 games for a HIT TO THE HEAD , injury which can lead to careers cut short etc , and yet people are demanding someone get the same or more for contact to the leg... give me a break , still looks a leg motion to protect himself rather than any intent anyway . 1 game is right in comparison to others. Wheres the ban on Jorgensen?, by the way Cody Wild will have been out for 3-5 weeks as a result of that , that's a hell of a few games. Brockwell would have played tonight if he hadn t got banned.

[panthersnation]

Feb 6, 2015 9:59:25 GMT claretgiant said:

Feb 6, 2015 6:15:47 GMT nate24 said:

www.panthers.co.uk/content/farms-cleared-colby-cohen-suspended?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

.....seriously? ummmmmm not a single mention of the Cohen slash to the mask of Chubak and the kick too...embarassing PR

chubak starts it all by slashing cohen down to the ice... both have got off pretty light here tho id of like to seen keefe get a ban for knee to the upper chest neck area

[Yotes]

Cohen started it by giving Chubak a cheap shot after he'd caught the puck, if he hadn't none of the rest would've happened.

We've gotten away very lightly with this one. Gary's rubbish on the website reads like he hasn't bothered watching it to begin with.

[Ian]

Feb 6, 2015 11:28:01 GMT Yotes said:

Cohen started it by giving Chubak a cheap shot after he'd caught the puck, if he hadn't none of the rest would've happened.

We've gotten away very lightly with this one. Gary's rubbish on the website reads like he hasn't bothered watching it to begin with.

I think both sides have got away lightly really.
The trouble in deciding on Cohen's punishment is proving intent. I think the video is unclear on that front, and I guess that is the conclusion of the DOPS too, as they only went for a 1-game ban. The rules they cite on the judgement video specifically mention "whether or not there was intent" so a punishment for the kicking motion is clearly fair enough. I suspect it would have been considerably more if there had been clear evidence of intent to injure (or indeed an actual injury being caused).
The spearing was nasty but I think the fact it was retaliation helped Brookwell to get away with a relatively lenient punishment too.

Cohen's initial slash on the netminder was the instigating factor but that happens all the time. Leaving the stick in or having a crafty chop at the netminder after a save is something we see nearly every game. It's a 2-minute penalty normally if the ref sees it (which Cohen got) and there's normally a bit of retribution from opponents, which also happened.

I still think Keefe was lucky not to get called any penalties at the time but his offences were not something that merit supplementary discipline really.

All in all, both sides lose a player for a game, when it could have been much longer. Time to accept the punishment, let it lie and move on.