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Post by Yotes on Feb 6, 2015 11:56:15 GMT
My real issue with it from a DOPS point of view is how has it taken them til Friday to announce this? Belfast have a tough game tonight with Cardiff and now will have had no time to prepare a different defensive pairing, we have a day before we have to go to Sheffield to do the same. The game was played 5 days ago.
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Post by pantherdman on Feb 6, 2015 12:43:42 GMT
Don't forget the biggest crime here, farmer got kicked for leaving the bench. How the hell did they get that so wrong.
I'm happy with 1 game each, no one got hurt and for £17.50 a ticket, I want the best players on the ice.
Get video replays in game, it would take less time than having to watch all the chatting to the ref.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 12:52:37 GMT
Don't forget the biggest crime here, farmer got kicked for leaving the bench. How the hell did they get that so wrong. I'm happy with 1 game each, no one got hurt and for £17.50 a ticket, I want the best players on the ice. Get video replays in game, it would take less time than having to watch all the chatting to the ref. I don't think even that could stop Steve Thornton yabbing to the ref. It was like watching Loose Women on mute
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Post by DWD on Feb 6, 2015 13:33:08 GMT
Don't forget the biggest crime here, farmer got kicked for leaving the bench. How the hell did they get that so wrong. I thought this and wondered how they got it so wrong. Then I watched again paying specific attention to Farmer. When Cohen goes in, farmer is on a move to change. He is about 1ft from the bench when he looks round and sees Cohen going down after the clash with Chubak. He flips his skates and beelines for the Giants crease. At this point the stripes are fully engaged on the altercation. To them it will look like Farmer has come off and from the bench such was his speed and trajectory. He wasn't on the bench. He was close to being. But he wasn't. It was 100% the wrong call. And one that the stripeys should be held to account for. However my point being that I can kind of understand where it came from. It's not like farmer was always in the altercation. He wasn't. He came from the direction of the bench. As for Cohen and Brookwell. I think both should count their lucky stars. And we move on to the next game.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 6, 2015 13:49:55 GMT
Don't forget the biggest crime here, farmer got kicked for leaving the bench. How the hell did they get that so wrong. I thought this and wondered how they got it so wrong. Then I watched again paying specific attention to Farmer. When Cohen goes in, farmer is on a move to change. He is about 1ft from the bench when he looks round and sees Cohen going down after the clash with Chubak. He flips his skates and beelines for the Giants crease. At this point the stripes are fully engaged on the altercation. To them it will look like Farmer has come off and from the bench such was his speed and trajectory. He wasn't on the bench. He was close to being. But he wasn't. It was 100% the wrong call. And one that the stripeys should be held to account for. However my point being that I can kind of understand where it came from. It's not like farmer was always in the altercation. He wasn't. He came from the direction of the bench. DOPeS still managed to make it sound like it was Farmer's fault though with no real mention of the fact that the 4 stripeys made a complete mess of the call. Comments such as 'The distance travelled by Farmer to join an on-going altercation is not acceptable' and 'There is no reason for Farmer to join the altercation'. Now that the 'leaving the bench' call has been reversed, he's been called for being third man in (to a 9 man skirmish). So if we can assume that Cohen and Brockwell were 1 and 2, if Farmer get's 3rd man in, 3-4 others (Keefe for one) were 'guilty' of the same offence also. Oh but thankfully 'no further action will be taken' against Farmer. Brilliant. As usual.
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Post by nate24 on Feb 6, 2015 16:50:20 GMT
.....seriously? ummmmmm not a single mention of the Cohen slash to the mask of Chubak and the kick too...embarassing PR nah, just everyone hates the Giants zzzzzzz
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Post by Doom on Feb 6, 2015 16:59:59 GMT
The trouble in deciding on Cohen's punishment is proving intent. I think the video is unclear on that front, and I guess that is the conclusion of the DOPS too, as they only went for a 1-game ban. That's how I see it. From the footage it's difficult to see if there is a deliberate kick. If they thought it was deliberate then he would be deserving of 5 games, like Baldwin got last season, but I don't think it's possible to assume it was deliberate based on the video evidence, hence why a warning slap on the hand. Brookwell is lucky to only get 1 game, because there certainly is intent in his actions. Regards Doom
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Post by iginla on Feb 6, 2015 18:39:46 GMT
They are guessing at Cohens actions of intent,just like they guessed on the night at Farmers and got it totally wrong. The only 100% deliberate actions are Brookwell and Keefe's.
Good job our British courts are not run like that eh !
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Post by Yotes on Feb 6, 2015 19:54:31 GMT
Good job our British courts are not run like that eh ! Would depend on the jury, beyond a reasonable doubt and all that, to me this is, I think he's hugely lucky. Brookwell too, although he was provoked. There's a ton of evidence of how dangerous a skate blade is, Cohen needs to be in control of his. I see no reason his left leg would kick out like that, it's not part of his fall to the ice or any attempt to get up, it's very disappointing. Reverse the roles in this, what's the party line from the Panthers/fanbase? I think we all know. DOPS have obviously got onto this late, presumably when it became highlighted during the week, they obviously weren't looking at it (despite what it says on the website). No way they'd leave it so late in the day. I'd guess (we'll never be told) there's some dude at the EIHL HQ who has to prompt them to review stuff, probably costs per use, and he/she had to rush it at the last minute. Anyway, last I'll say on it, a poor show all round, players and league.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Feb 6, 2015 19:59:06 GMT
In short, Penalties are fair imo ... far too many ott suspensions imo.
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Post by BigLad on Feb 6, 2015 21:18:17 GMT
I'm more amazed Jorgensen got away without a ban than these tbh.
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Post by ggggranville on Feb 6, 2015 22:31:15 GMT
I'm more amazed Jorgensen got away without a ban than these tbh. Do we know if it was even reviewed? Blaze seemed to have dodged a bullet there!.
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 6, 2015 22:39:26 GMT
Gm said it wasnt captured on the game tape when he was on the locker room
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Post by Shaggy on Feb 6, 2015 23:00:58 GMT
I have to agree with those who think that the DOP(e)S seriously dropped the ball here... and the only grey area for me was intent on the part of Cohen.
Going in sequence... Chubak on Cohen and then Cohen on Chubak to start with pretty much cancel each other out. If nothing else had happened, you might have expected each to be penalised, but I suppose it's understandable that they flew beneath the officials' radar.
Then the Cohen kick... the only ambiguity being over whether it was deliberate or just careless. It seems that DOP(e)S aren't sure either, because we surely got off lightly with a one game ban. To be honest, I'd have thought that a non-deliberate kick - but careless and reckless - should probably have got a 3-game ban... and if it HAD been judged to have been deliberate, then you could double that at least.
Balanced against that, though, is a one-game ban for Brockwell for Spearing. Is that one game for one spearing or was it intended to punish him for repeatedly spearing Cohen? Regardless of any provocation, that's also a serious offence... he too got off very lightly.
But then you've got the ridiculous decisions (and non-decisions) on 2 other players. A small 'well done' to DOP(e)S for rescinding the Farmer 'leaving the bench' penalty - but "third man in"? Like hell... by the time he got in there, there were more than just 3 Belfast players involved, never mind Panthers players as well. And how come the officials choose not to call this or that penalty so many times because they "hadn't seen it" - yet when it's obvious that they hadn't seen Farmer 'leave the bench' (because that's not what happened) they go and make a guess? An assumption? That is bad officiating, plain and simple. The other joke being Adam Keefe. How the hell that <censored> got off free and clear yet again is beyond ridiculous and out the other side.
Something like DOP(e)S needs to be effective, transparent and consistent. So far, they are failing on all counts.
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Post by pantherman66 on Feb 6, 2015 23:07:26 GMT
Yotes, do you have something against Cohen, you seem overly vociferous in your condemnation of him, for someone who presumably must have some sort of Panthers bias. In the first instance, I think Cohen is attempting to put the puck in the net, not slash Chubak in the facemask, and secondly there is no danger of his skate blade causing any damage to Brookwell, even if it was intended. I do realize kicking or attempting to kick anyone with a skate is not a good move, but each incident of this nature is different and needs looking at as such.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 23:38:34 GMT
Yotes, do you have something against Cohen, you seem overly vociferous in your condemnation of him, for someone who presumably must have some sort of Panthers bias. In the first instance, I think Cohen is attempting to put the puck in the net, not slash Chubak in the facemask, and secondly there is no danger of his skate blade causing any damage to Brookwell, even if it was intended. I do realize kicking or attempting to kick anyone with a skate is not a good move, but each incident of this nature is different and needs looking at as such. In Yotes defence, I think a lot of people including me agree that Cohens actions are indefensible. Reckless/deliberate is irrelevant for a kick. There's danger when someone kicks a blade at you I'm afraid. Had this been the other way round I'd be screaming for at least 4/5 games for him. The only sliver lining is that it's our team and we're only short for 1 match
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 7, 2015 6:36:48 GMT
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Post by pantherman66 on Feb 7, 2015 10:57:31 GMT
Well said #0677.
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Feb 7, 2015 13:57:08 GMT
.....seriously? ummmmmm not a single mention of the Cohen slash to the mask of Chubak and the kick too...embarassing PR Chubak slashed a Panthers player every time they skated past him. What a sneaky wookie he is. ?
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Post by pantherdman on Feb 7, 2015 15:53:07 GMT
Yeah the Giants never slashed at k-wall lol!
Very disturbing that the refs are calling things which never happened. Not surprising though.
The only consistent thing is inconsistency.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 7, 2015 19:48:28 GMT
Yotes, do you have something against Cohen, you seem overly vociferous in your condemnation of him, for someone who presumably must have some sort of Panthers bias. No, I don't have anything against Cohen (other than this incident). My view of him from his limited time with us was I'd say entirely positive actually. It could have been any of them and I'd think the same, even my personal favourite Kowalski. Why would I need to show bias on here anyway? I get at the NIC when we're in the midst of it being one eyed about it, but when we're on here and looking at these things in retrospect? We often have posts on here about cheap and dangerous plays against us, we've had Robbo's comments in the Post, Cohen himself even commented on it on The Locker Room after his 2nd debut weekend, but we should ignore it if one of ours does something out of line, purely because he's one of ours? If you swap the players around, and it's Cohen reacting to being kicked by Brookwell, would you say the same thing, fine they both get the same sanction, or would you view it more harshly? ...secondly there is no danger of his skate blade causing any damage to Brookwell, even if it was intended. I do realize kicking or attempting to kick anyone with a skate is not a good move, but each incident of this nature is different and needs looking at as such. So a kick is more OK if you land it on a guy's padding? I find that a pretty odd comment.
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Post by iginla on Feb 7, 2015 21:33:55 GMT
Ooooh...the Giants Mike Kompon just got 5 plus match for intentional contact with the referee.
Give him TEN games DoPS !!!!!!!!!
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Post by pantherman66 on Feb 7, 2015 22:29:29 GMT
If Cohen had reacted in the same way that Brookwell did, then yes would have expected a long ban for him, and would also have thought that one game was plenty for Brookwell. The 'kick' was hardly delivered with any force and no malice, with no chance of the blade coming into contact with anything, plus Cohen was lying in a prone position.
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Post by Spoonerdudes on Feb 7, 2015 22:59:04 GMT
If Cohen had reacted in the same way that Brookwell did, then yes would have expected a long ban for him, and would also have thought that one game was plenty for Brookwell. The 'kick' was hardly delivered with any force and no malice, with no chance of the blade coming into contact with anything, plus Cohen was lying in a prone position. What has Cohen lying in a prone position have to do with the incident....? I'd suggest you can still kick pretty well prone
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 23:05:00 GMT
Ooooh...the Giants Mike Kompon just got 5 plus match for intentional contact with the referee. Give him TEN games DoPS !!!!!!!!! Interesting ! Could be a huge ban and very costly to the giants league chances
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