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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Dec 27, 2014 22:56:01 GMT
Does anyone know why we had a 5 on 4 in overtime instead of 4 on 3.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 27, 2014 22:57:12 GMT
We did make a lot of mistakes and bad plays but the effort was there. Great feeling when those 2 blasts flew in.
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Post by Neil on Dec 27, 2014 22:58:09 GMT
Not the greatest game however i'll take a win any day of the week.
Im glad we won just so i can make this point... The standard of refs is awful. Someone needs to explain to me how one of our players, Farmer, is being hit by two other players at the same time yet we take 3 roughing minors to their two.
That said, i didnt know about the 5v4 OT PP rule so who am i to call them... Unless they made it up!
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Post by caps91 on Dec 27, 2014 22:58:33 GMT
Was a great game, only downside for me was Baldwin hitting the puck into block 6 near me after sheffield lost, funny thing is, it's not the first time he's done it just wondered if anyone else saw him do it?
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Post by pantherdave on Dec 27, 2014 23:00:35 GMT
I think it was a 5 on 4 due to the call being made in normal time and not in overtime, somebody correct me if I'm wrong though.
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Post by dp on Dec 27, 2014 23:02:22 GMT
We're not the worst Panthers team there's ever been like some are saying - hence results like these last two - but we're just not quite good enough. We've got a few players who are decent, and as a one off in a very good side would probably be OK and do a job, but we've just got too many of them.
Great results this weekend, but we're still 5th. Corey needs to be ruthless, but unfortunately I don't think there's any money left in the pot so he's going to have to just flog this lot as hard as he can.
And whilst they're not the worst Panthers team there's ever been, they're definitely the most boring I can remember watching in my 15 years.
It's frustrating because they're not a million miles off being a very good team.
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Dec 27, 2014 23:04:30 GMT
Something was announced about the 5 on 4, but I didn't hear what was said.
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Post by kezypanther on Dec 27, 2014 23:05:07 GMT
I thought we were dreadful for most parts of the game if I am honest. You could see towards the end of the second we were putting effort in to get the win but I was not expecting to come away with the win.
I think we will still struggle this season. Especially to score, Higgins doesn't seem like the player he was in belfast either. But we won I guess so who am I to complain.
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Post by Neil on Dec 27, 2014 23:10:44 GMT
Just read something that says if the game ends 5 on 3, a 5th skater should start OT to maintain the two man advantage however nothing on a 5 on 4.
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Post by mattscold on Dec 27, 2014 23:17:41 GMT
Changing the subject if I may... when are they auctioning off the "digestive distress" coloured jerseys? Just awful looking jersey... dreadful.
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Post by spik on Dec 27, 2014 23:21:05 GMT
Just read something that says if the game ends 5 on 3, a 5th skater should start OT to maintain the two man advantage however nothing on a 5 on 4. I have tried to say similar on another Facebook page to someone but am getting flamed for it.Is my only thought also that Panthers would get NO advantage if a penalty in ordinary play is taken as a 4 on 3 in the OT period. Imagine if it was 4 on 3 and Steelers were assessed another penalty in OT. Apart from the game THEN going to 5 on 3 (which would seem odd from a 4 on 4 start) we'd lose out as the 2nd Steelers penalty would just sit and another man from the bench would play to avoid a 4 on 2 situation.No advantage to us and this would happen all game till the end.....Doing it 5 on 4 allows us to get a reward for another penalty (5 on 3) as opposed to Sheffield NOT being penalised in OT.
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Dec 27, 2014 23:27:26 GMT
Just read something that says if the game ends 5 on 3, a 5th skater should start OT to maintain the two man advantage however nothing on a 5 on 4. I have tried to say similar on another Facebook page to someone but am getting flamed for it.Is my only thought also that Panthers would get NO advantage if a penalty in ordinary play is taken as a 4 on 3 in the OT period. Imagine if it was 4 on 3 and Steelers were assessed another penalty in OT. Apart from the game THEN going to 5 on 3 (which would seem odd from a 4 on 4 start) we'd lose out as the 2nd Steelers penalty would just sit and another man from the bench would play to avoid a 4 on 2 situation.No advantage to us and this would happen all game till the end.....Doing it 5 on 4 allows us to get a reward for another penalty (5 on 3) as opposed to Sheffield NOT being penalised in OT. Seems a fair solution, obviously the officials do know the rules, but rarely implement them, zero tolerance springs to mind.
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Post by John Casey on Dec 27, 2014 23:32:21 GMT
While I'm happy we won, I thought that the 3rd period was frustrating. I felt that the Steeler's were comfortable in that period and that they put us under more pressure also having only 7 shots in that period shows that we should be more direct instead of dump and chase and all the passing.
We should also be able to clear our zones more regularly as well.
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Post by lepine28 on Dec 27, 2014 23:34:38 GMT
Apparently that's a new rule for this season. There were quite a few rule changes in the summer that didn't get announced, I can't remember if we have seen the weird sudden death penalty shots rules yet.
Thought we ground that one out tonight, something that we haven't looked like we could be bothered to do in recent games. Thought Baldwin had to get 3rd man in but I'm not sure if the gloves were off or not.
I don't think the budget is all gone as I hear Corey is looking
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Post by Neil on Dec 27, 2014 23:35:49 GMT
I have tried to say similar on another Facebook page to someone but am getting flamed for it.Is my only thought also that Panthers would get NO advantage if a penalty in ordinary play is taken as a 4 on 3 in the OT period. Imagine if it was 4 on 3 and Steelers were assessed another penalty in OT. Apart from the game THEN going to 5 on 3 (which would seem odd from a 4 on 4 start) we'd lose out as the 2nd Steelers penalty would just sit and another man from the bench would play to avoid a 4 on 2 situation.No advantage to us and this would happen all game till the end.....Doing it 5 on 4 allows us to get a reward for another penalty (5 on 3) as opposed to Sheffield NOT being penalised in OT. Seems a fair solution, obviously the officials do know the rules, but rarely implement them, zero tolerance springs to mind. It does make sense, never seen it happen before though. Ive seen a 4v3 OT from the off. Just heard Gerad Adams after match thoughts... He's not happy with the refs either, amusing. Most frustrating thing for me is that we seemed second to most things, loose pucks, bounces etc. Proud that we still found a way to win though.
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Post by Caesar on Dec 27, 2014 23:36:53 GMT
Looking is ok, but, realistically, who and what will be available at this time of year?
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Post by lepine28 on Dec 27, 2014 23:43:51 GMT
Well exactly, hence why no signings yet. There must be players in some of the European leagues who haven't made their standard though and become available around this time of year.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 27, 2014 23:47:14 GMT
Seems a fair solution, obviously the officials do know the rules, but rarely implement them, zero tolerance springs to mind. Just heard Gerad Adams after match thoughts... He's not happy with the refs either, amusing.. Hicks was not great. He was not great to both teams in equal measures though. We got the rough end of some calls too. What exactly did Hicks do that makes Sheffield feel so hard done to? Way to easy to hide behind the odd decision not going your way.
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Post by iginla on Dec 27, 2014 23:54:38 GMT
A very good comeback that one,but oh boy do we need a sniper to put the loose pucks away and a quality passer to create some good chances,we seem to rely far to heavily on long shots or breakaways. I cannot think of a single chance created tonight or for a good while with a quality Ling-Graham type pass for a back post scoring chance. It seems everything relies on cycle/cycle,pass to point and across to Wild or Lawrence for a blast from out in front. Obviously it worked tonight but surely there needs to be some variation in plays because it's not going to keep working all the time.
Two very good Xmas Panthers wins,but the Steelers have got to be asking themselves........how the heck did they let that happen !
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 28, 2014 0:08:46 GMT
Very relieved to get the win, and a 4pt haul from the 2 games (even if we did gift them a point)... but that was very painful to watch at times. And I don't just mean those horrible jerseys! (according to the OS, they were 'Friar Tuck' jerseys... sorry guys, but that one was an epic fail!).
Overall, it could be said that the better team - or, at least, the team that made fewer mistakes - actually lost tonight. There is an awful lot that is wrong with this team right now, which is doubly confusing, seeing as it isn't that much different from the team that clobbered Sheffield 7-2, defeated Hamburg Freezers, etc.
There's too much of the basics that are just not happening, or are happening wrong. The first period tonight was the best (or worst!) example of that - everything that could go wrong, did. Terrible face-off winning percentage, an almost uncanny ability to pass directly to an opposition stick, terrible lack of coordination and basic teamwork... at times it looked like the Steelers were giving us a masterclass in how to build a proper attacking play, to dominate centre ice, etc. Granted, even though we looked terrible and were 2 goals down in short order, at least the team dug deep and stopped it from getting any worse on the scoreboard.
Periods 2 & 3 were a vast improvement over period 1, but still not good. A lot more hitting, which is nice to see - especially after the dearth of such in the last few home games - and some actually very good attacking plays. Unfortunately the Steelers' defensive unit as a whole was both good and lucky tonight... how they survived some of our offensive plays, I'll never know. But still we could barely string 2 passes together, still made so many unforced errors, still looked highly predictable on the attacking front.
The will to win is there - that's what carried them through tonight, I'm sure of it - but there's still a lot lacking. Thing is... we don't know exactly what is wrong, so we don't know how it can be fixed. I don't believe for a minute that simply splashing cash, getting this or that player in, buying in a sniper or a 'tough guy' or whatever is going to solve the problems. The team we've got CAN do it... they're proven that several times. But frustratingly, they often don't.
It was a win, and a double slap in the face to Them Up The M1, which is never a bad thing. But boy oh boy... we seriously need to step it up a few gears.
Time for the traditional hammering-of-the-Coventry-Blaze on Wednesday, I think. It's been a while since we've put 10 past them, it was starting to become a nice habit - one we could do with getting back into. And this team COULD do it... they just need to play as we know they can - not as we've seen them doing recently.
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Post by Toneys#24 on Dec 28, 2014 0:24:42 GMT
The jersey's to me were a McDonalds charity thing - same colours as there staff wear. Didnt think they looked bad actually until i started to think/realise this!
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 28, 2014 0:29:54 GMT
The jersey's to me were a McDonalds charity thing - same colours as there staff wear. Didnt think they looked bad actually until i started to think/realise this! Dunno about McDonalds... I was sitting there thinking that if the players had been given a dose of spray-tan, they'd have looked like ruddy Oompa Loompas!
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Post by Toneys#24 on Dec 28, 2014 0:31:58 GMT
The jersey's to me were a McDonalds charity thing - same colours as there staff wear. Didnt think they looked bad actually until i started to think/realise this! Dunno about McDonalds... I was sitting there thinking that if the players had been given a dose of spray-tan, they'd have looked like ruddy Oompa Loompas! I think it was the inclusion of the charity logo on the sleeves and that they will undoubtedly be auctioned off that made me think
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2014 0:32:28 GMT
We desperately need some quality Shaggy.
We have got the workhorses,a whole team of them,they play mostly with great heart and effort,but unless they keep playing desperate (which isn't possible over a long stretch) simply working hard will not be enough. At least one of the workhorses needs swapping for a good passer,for me it would be Max Parent,I like his work ethic but unfortunately there are virtually zero points coming from him. I would still keep Parent on the roster though,becaus you can bet there will be another injury just around the corner.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 28, 2014 1:25:58 GMT
Fantastic end and fantastic effort in the last few minutes. What an excellent Christmas present that was!
Still in shock!
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