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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 3, 2014 6:03:23 GMT
Banned for 5 games at the start of the season following his actions in Europe last season.
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Post by Shorty on Sept 3, 2014 6:23:38 GMT
Banned for 5 games at the start of the season following his actions in Europe last season. I would have put money on that happening. |
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Post by GuinnessMan on Sept 3, 2014 6:33:03 GMT
Banned for 5 games at the start of the season following his actions in Europe last season. I would have put money on that happening. I'm flu=ed up and feeling rubbish this morning, but that made me laugh - cheers shorty! |
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Post by Shorty on Sept 3, 2014 7:27:35 GMT
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Post by Gilly on Sept 3, 2014 11:38:40 GMT
hahahahahahahahahaha i bet that hasnt gone down well..
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 3, 2014 11:59:46 GMT
Apparently IHUK have said Steelers don't have to play short as it is a 'personal ban', not a team one and he isn't yet registered with Steelers.
How does a player serve a personal ban of 'x number games' without being registered with a team?
Making it up as they go along.....
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Sept 3, 2014 12:26:56 GMT
I don't personally think that Steelers should be an import down due to this ban.
He hasn't been banned by the EIHL, as far as I am aware we're the only league that bans the import spot as opposed to the player. If the EIHL banned him then fair enough they shouldn't be allowed to ice another import in his place, but he hasn't, it's come from the IIHF.
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Post by BigLad on Sept 3, 2014 12:42:19 GMT
I don't personally think that Steelers should be an import down due to this ban. He hasn't been banned by the EIHL, as far as I am aware we're the only league that bans the import spot as opposed to the player. If the EIHL banned him then fair enough they shouldn't be allowed to ice another import in his place, but he hasn't, it's come from the IIHF. Agreed. |
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 3, 2014 12:52:05 GMT
He hasn't been banned by the EIHL, as far as I am aware we're the only league that bans the import spot as opposed to the player. If the EIHL banned him then fair enough they shouldn't be allowed to ice another import in his place, but he hasn't, it's come from the IIHF. Hasn't precedence already been established within the EIHL with regards to imports being signed with outstanding IIHF-recognised bans? Indeed it was a player Steelers signed that was involved. Campbell picked up ban in the AIHL during the summer, then signed for Steelers and they played short for two(?) games whilst he served his 'personal ban'. The problem here is the EIHL and the manner by which 'import slots' are specifically banned (whereas Brits can go crazy), not the IIHF-recognised ban being carried (which as far as I'm aware no-one else in the world has issues with). If it weren't for the manner by which the EIHL handles bans then this wouldn't be an issue. It is a personal ban for a number of games (not a time period) so logic (I know, EIHL and logic) would dictate that a player has to be signed to a team in order to sit out said games. If he isn't signed to a team then surely he can't sit said games out? Unfortunately, due to the EIHL established policy of singling out 'import' bans as separate from Brit bans then, as shown in the previous Campbell/Steelers signing, Steelers should run short until the players ban is served. Yes it isn't 'fair', but as I said, precedence has been established previously and it is only the EIHL's insistence on singling out 'import bans' that is really the issue. If imports (and more specifically their 'slots') weren't singled out as a special case by the EIHL then Mosienko could join Steelers and sit in the stands for five games without them playing short. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 3, 2014 13:07:55 GMT
Agree with Toots. No teams should have to play an import down when one is banned, if they have a replacement, but the fact is in our league that is what they have to do. Stupid 2-tiered rule (Brits and imports), but there you go.
They're counting him as being a Steelers player in terms of him serving the ban (i.e. it'll be Steelers games he counts off), but not in terms of how it'd affect the Steelers if they had one of their imports banned? How does that make sense?
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 3, 2014 13:20:22 GMT
I don't really care if they play short or not. I just think it's funny that they have employed a bloke like this.
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 3, 2014 13:24:49 GMT
I don't really care if they play short or not. I just think it's funny that they have employed a bloke like this. I think he is a perfect fit for them. Player with dodgy financial past [insert Steelers dodgy financial past joke here]. This being said though the issue is ultimately one based on how the EIHL singles out imports (and their slots) for unequal treatment. If the EIHL didn't do this then this wouldn't be an issue. But this isn't an 'if' situatuion. - Campbell was signed with a 'personal ban' and Steelers had to play short. - Mosienko has been signed with a 'personal ban' and we're being told Steelers don't have to play short. Consistency? |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 3, 2014 13:51:59 GMT
I don't really care if they play short or not. I just think it's funny that they have employed a bloke like this. I'm a bit worried about him, all that spare time on his hands, Steelers getting a good doing at Cardiff is going to start to look very tempting...  |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Sept 3, 2014 19:02:54 GMT
Story made all the more interesting by the fact that the match fixing only came to light when they were turned in to management when the starting netminder found out: former *Steeler* Ervins Mustokovs  |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Sept 3, 2014 19:12:21 GMT
Situation only arisen as ECHL - where he finished out the season - ISN'T covered by IIHF rules/bans. As he was sacked by Esbjerg as soon as the match-fixing came to light he has, therefore, not yet served his five game IIHF ban - so it is still outstanding and must be served now he's in a league covered by IIHF rules. Steelers have stated today (Yorkshire post) that they acknowledge he has the ban to serve and are looking for cover whilst he's serving it: (see below)
“We’re obviously disappointed that Tyler can’t play the opening games,” said Adams.
“But we stand by the player we signed in the summer, we expect good things from him this season and can’t wait for the suspension to end and for him to return to action within our team.
“He’s devastated not to be in the team for Sunday, but he’ll continue to train and be a part of our group through this three-week period.
“We’re looking at short-term cover at the moment and we have a few options open to us.”
Mosienko will miss Sunday’s opening game at Cardiff Devils in the Challenge Cup as well as the following weekend’s two league games against Fife Flyers. He will also miss the Cup clash against Nottingham Panthers on Saturday, September 20, along with the following day’s home clash in the league against champions Belfast Giants. He is scheduled to be available again for the Cup clash against Cardiff in Sheffield on September 27.
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Post by Dan on Sept 3, 2014 20:27:42 GMT
Not saying this just because he's a Sheffield player, but a ban is a ban. If you've got a player who is suspended, you play a man short. If their reasoning is that it's because he's not registered, then why on Earth do Sheffield games matter against his ban? He doesn't play for them!
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Post by pantherdman on Sept 3, 2014 21:49:01 GMT
Rule book?
All those people that said we have a rule book in the elite league and follow it...... Lmfao!
Bans a ban, the "rules" are apparently there, precedents have been set. Ok,
Make it up as you go along then.
Joke league. Roll on European league.
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Post by spik on Sept 3, 2014 22:02:57 GMT
This guy has not served supposed ban as yet so he must get registered into a team and miss these games.Thus that team be short.
OR, don't sign him, simples.
Won't the IIHF have something to say about ELITEs's decision?
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Post by thebestpanthers on Sept 4, 2014 10:26:19 GMT
If Steelers play with a full roster and it is then decided that because of his ban they should have played a man short will they be deducted points or will it be at the EIHL chairman's discretion - DHYB
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Post by Warren on Sept 4, 2014 11:24:59 GMT
If Steelers play with a full roster and it is then decided that because of his ban they should have played a man short will they be deducted points or will it be at the EIHL chairman's discretion - DHYB If that was to happen, the fixtures should be changed to 6-0 wins for the opposition and the tables (as I see some of the games are CC) updated. For me, There are 3 options here... 1. The EIHL go and say that ALL Bans are now player based so if you have a spare import you can play that player. 2. The brush it under the carpet and hope nobody notices and if they do, fingers in the ears time. 3. They try and claim that because its not an EIHL ban then the its the player not the Team. If it were EIHL it would be Team. The only other scenario I can imagine for this is on an International break, a player goes nuts and picks up a 5 game ban there. My money is on option 2. (see what i did there?  ) |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Sept 4, 2014 12:17:11 GMT
People: As I mentioned last night Steelers released a press release yesterday morning saying they acknowledge the ban and are looking for short term cover. Later that day they signed DiDiomete as cover - announcing too that it was for the same reason. So.... A - Steelers are saying themselves Mosienko will be sitting out the ban. B - The league is recognizing the ban as it observes IIHF rules (yesterday on EIHL website). C - Everyone has stated publicly and on the record that Mosienko won't be playing until five games have passed. Maybe we should stop with the 'If's? and 'Apparently's' and 'Joke Leagues'?? The story is that he's banned. Always was. One 'Apparently' from a poster and suddenly.....  But, as always, JMHO Regards B&G73 |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 4, 2014 12:33:06 GMT
That's not the point being made though B&G, when Steelers take to the ice for those 5 games, will they have 11 imports out, or 10. If Mosienko had been banned as a Steeler, it would be 10. But, apparently, they will be able to ice 11 (I didn't realise they'd signed Didiomete - lol). Why is that?
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Post by iginla on Sept 4, 2014 16:07:10 GMT
The only question here should be is the ban player based or team based in the EIHl,simple as that.
If Steelers are allowed to play a full quota of imports,then what would happen if say Fife sent Nickerson out to purposely injure a Steelers player and Nickerson got banned,could Fife sign a replacement and then play a full roster,of course they couldn't !
It would seem that by Sheffields rules they could.
In my view,Sheffield signed him and took a chance,now they don't like the outcome and the rules suddenly change.
What a surprise eh,and people think Panthers run the league !!!!
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Post by Warren on Sept 4, 2014 16:34:08 GMT
People: As I mentioned last night Steelers released a press release yesterday morning saying they acknowledge the ban and are looking for short term cover. Later that day they signed DiDiomete as cover - announcing too that it was for the same reason. So.... A - Steelers are saying themselves Mosienko will be sitting out the ban. B - The league is recognizing the ban as it observes IIHF rules (yesterday on EIHL website). C - Everyone has stated publicly and on the record that Mosienko won't be playing until five games have passed. Maybe we should stop with the 'If's? and 'Apparently's' and 'Joke Leagues'?? The story is that he's banned. Always was. One 'Apparently' from a poster and suddenly..... But, as always, JMHO Regards B&G73 As Yotes says, People accept the ban. What people dont like is the "Make up the rules as you go along" bit. The people screaming the loudest about this should be Hull fans. I am sure they would of loved this after Campbell went Nuts... |
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Post by spik on Sept 4, 2014 20:22:25 GMT
Next we 'll be allowing players to take their bans when they want to.....'oh good, I'll take mine now while I'm out injured. Win/win
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