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Post by Shorty on Mar 10, 2014 20:35:52 GMT
Give me a 5 seasons as panthers coach and I will still be in the title race after Christmas in at least one of them. I don't think he should go, but if he wins nothing this season and starts the next one badly, then yes. The club would have folded within two seasons of you being in charge (if not one)
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 10, 2014 20:38:43 GMT
Give me a 5 seasons as panthers coach and I will still be in the title race after Christmas in at least one of them. I don't think he should go, but if he wins nothing this season and starts the next one badly, then yes. The club would have folded within two seasons of you being in charge (if not one) Why and how?
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Post by Shorty on Mar 10, 2014 20:47:46 GMT
The club would have folded within two seasons of you being in charge (if not one) Why and how? We would have gone bust signing the "biggest squad in Elite League history" We would have more players serving bans and suspensions (run the keeper, beat the opposition up etc etc) As the imports are all suspended we have to play a team of Brits who get hammered game in game our, and also run into suspension problems when trying to police the game Players quit when they realise their stats will suffer, after being banned for so long Coach banned for various abuse of officials when actually allowed to be behind the bench Players leaving as part of a big squad and not getting enough ice time And many more....
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 10, 2014 21:21:47 GMT
That sounds like a hell of a season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 21:44:21 GMT
That sounds like a hell of a season. For different reasons both this season and last have been a hell of a season(s).
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Mar 10, 2014 23:11:28 GMT
Like so many others have said in this thread, NO! Why should we scrap the BEST Panthers Coach in decades.
I mean he has won more games than anyone before him. He to me has been the Sir Alex Ferguson of Ice Hockey.
Yes his tactics and team haven't played pretty Panthers hockey like past seasons and this season has been one to forget.
As Corey said after last season "You'll never see this team again" which was sad to hear but last season was simply wonderful the grand slam topped it off perfectly.
My Question here is "Haven't we been here before?"
Come on folks this season is still alive. We still hold two of the three cups that we are in, A. the Challenge Cup that seems to be glued into our trophy case since we have been champions for the past 4 years, and the Play-offs for the past 3, are just around the corner which we saw last season was a wild weekend, Who thought Hull would knock out Sheffield? I didn't for one.
Lets get behind Corey, Rick and the boys and let us end the season with a ROAR!
WE BELIEVE!
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Post by Lawman on Mar 11, 2014 11:27:53 GMT
A big big no
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Post by trentenders on Mar 11, 2014 12:05:46 GMT
No.
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Post by 5+game on Mar 11, 2014 12:18:12 GMT
Give me a 5 seasons as panthers coach and I will still be in the title race after Christmas in at least one of them. Peace of p''s this elite league coaching is then. Wonder why we bother with all this professional coach nonsense. I assume you have forwarded your CV to GM and Neil Black. Maybe you should give Big budget Doug a few pointers on where he went wrong at Sheffield.
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Post by Spoonerdudes on Mar 11, 2014 17:09:03 GMT
Give me a 5 seasons as panthers coach and I will still be in the title race after Christmas in at least one of them. I don't think he should go, but if he wins nothing this season and starts the next one badly, then yes.
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Post by Olaw d'Elpus on Mar 11, 2014 18:07:01 GMT
Absolutely not
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 11, 2014 18:30:01 GMT
Give me a 5 seasons as panthers coach and I will still be in the title race after Christmas in at least one of them. Peace of p''s this elite league coaching is then. Wonder why we bother with all this professional coach nonsense. I assume you have forwarded your CV to GM and Neil Black. Maybe you should give Big budget Doug a few pointers on where he went wrong at Sheffield. I wouldn't get on with simmsey so I wouldn't last a season.
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 11, 2014 18:31:16 GMT
Give me a 5 seasons as panthers coach and I will still be in the title race after Christmas in at least one of them. I don't think he should go, but if he wins nothing this season and starts the next one badly, then yes. View AttachmentSoderstreem would have got blaze in the play offs. What more evidence do you need? The defence rests.
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Post by Spoonerdudes on Mar 11, 2014 19:55:42 GMT
Soderstreem would have got blaze in the play offs. What more evidence do you need? The defence rests. But we are not talking about Matt Soderstrom, we are talking about the most successful coach in Panthers history and the fact you could claim you could do as good a job as he did ! I leave it to your own fans who have rubbished your claims.....but even as much i am used to your weird and outlandish proclamations...you've outdone yourself here !
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 11, 2014 20:43:50 GMT
No, I said "give me 5 seasons as panthers coach and I would still be in the title race after Christmas in one if those seasons". Didn't say I was a better coach than Corey at all.
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Post by Dan on Mar 11, 2014 20:45:21 GMT
God no.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Mar 11, 2014 20:49:04 GMT
Still NO.
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Post by oldman on Mar 11, 2014 21:57:43 GMT
No, I said "give me 5 seasons as panthers coach and I would still be in the title race after Christmas in one if those seasons". Didn't say I was a better coach than Corey at all. if you had 10 seasons you will still know less than Corey knows now, don't forget all the experience before he came here Still you can dream
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 12, 2014 6:41:27 GMT
I didn't claim to know anymore than anyone but, go on, who did he coach before the panthers?
Don't forget my answer to the original question was no for now.
Plus I haven't revealed who my rick strachan would be.
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Mar 12, 2014 8:08:44 GMT
Soderstreem would have got blaze in the play offs. What more evidence do you need? The defence rests. But we are not talking about Matt Soderstrom, we are talking about the most successful coach in Panthers history and the fact you could claim you could do as good a job as he did ! I leave it to your own fans who have rubbished your claims.....but even as much i am used to your weird and outlandish proclamations...you've outdone yourself here ! I think people are being far too hard on Pantherdman here. All he said was that if he had 5 seasons in charge of the Panthers he would be in the title race post xmas in one of those seasons. Not a stupid statement by a long shot. Although this thread is largely in agreement that Corey shouldn't leave, he still has an extremely valid point, all but 1 of the last 5 seasons and we have largely capitulated in the league after xmas and that shouldn't be ignored....
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Post by 5+game on Mar 12, 2014 8:30:58 GMT
But we are not talking about Matt Soderstrom, we are talking about the most successful coach in Panthers history and the fact you could claim you could do as good a job as he did ! I leave it to your own fans who have rubbished your claims.....but even as much i am used to your weird and outlandish proclamations...you've outdone yourself here ! I think people are being far too hard on Pantherdman here. All he said was that if he had 5 seasons in charge of the Panthers he would be in the title race post xmas in one of those seasons. Not a stupid statement by a long shot. So if Corey leaves this summer you would be happy to see Pantherdman given a 5 year contract to coach the panthers and happily buy a season ticket based on that. Im going to go against you on this one and say that it is probably one of the stupidest things I have read on here for along time, probably up there with the old classic post of signing Tom Askey as backup because he said he wanted to come back.
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Post by sameagain on Mar 12, 2014 8:35:05 GMT
But we are not talking about Matt Soderstrom, we are talking about the most successful coach in Panthers history and the fact you could claim you could do as good a job as he did ! I leave it to your own fans who have rubbished your claims.....but even as much i am used to your weird and outlandish proclamations...you've outdone yourself here ! I think people are being far too hard on Pantherdman here. All he said was that if he had 5 seasons in charge of the Panthers he would be in the title race post xmas in one of those seasons. Not a stupid statement by a long shot. Although this thread is largely in agreement that Corey shouldn't leave, he still has an extremely valid point, all but 1 of the last 5 seasons and we have largely capitulated in the league after xmas and that shouldn't be ignored.... That's two posters on here that have looked at the bigger picture, this will never do.
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Post by bobness on Mar 12, 2014 8:44:56 GMT
The inference of the original post was clearly to me along the lines of "any old muppet can coach an ice hockey team to be in with a shout of the league title after Christmas 1 year in 5. Panthers have only done that in one of the last 5 seasons. I could do that." Well, for a start 09/10 we were 6 points behind at the death, so I'm not thinking we were "out of it by Christmas" that year and in all seasons, it's never been mathematically impossible to win the league by Christmas, so that's a bit harsh to say we were "out of it" at that stage each year. Yes, we ended up well behind in 3 of the 5 years, but we were still "in contention" at Christmas in all years. A lot can happen in a month. Maybe it didn't, but until it's impossible, you have a chance. That said, and to be fair, 1 swallow does not a summer make. Panthers have been good at one off games in the last few years, not so great at sustaining that kind of performance for the season. This year has been beset with injuries and disruption, and I can chalk it down to experience (plenty to go at) but the reasons for the other years are less clear, shall we say.
We nearly has a pantherdman team in 02-03. Clarke, Allison,. Wood, Nieckar et. It was undoubtedly entertaining that year...
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Post by sameagain on Mar 12, 2014 9:17:20 GMT
The inference of the original post was clearly to me along the lines of "any old muppet can coach an ice hockey team to be in with a shout of the league title after Christmas 1 year in 5. Panthers have only done that in one of the last 5 seasons. I could do that." Well, for a start 09/10 we were 6 points behind at the death, so I'm not thinking we were "out of it by Christmas" that year and in all seasons, it's never been mathematically impossible to win the league by Christmas, so that's a bit harsh to say we were "out of it" at that stage each year. Yes, we ended up well behind in 3 of the 5 years, but we were still "in contention" at Christmas in all years. A lot can happen in a month. Maybe it didn't, but until it's impossible, you have a chance. That said, and to be fair, 1 swallow does not a summer make. Panthers have been good at one off games in the last few years, not so great at sustaining that kind of performance for the season. This year has been beset with injuries and disruption, and I can chalk it down to experience (plenty to go at) but the reasons for the other years are less clear, shall we say. We nearly has a pantherdman team in 02-03. Clarke, Allison,. Wood, Nieckar et. It was undoubtedly entertaining that year... Your first paragraph clearly says to me you have not understood the post, but just put your own interpretation on it I don't mind.
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Post by texpef on Mar 12, 2014 13:09:27 GMT
Wasnt going to oomment on this thread as it is mostly academic, if Corey wants to stay i am pretty sure the management will let him and if he wants to leave there is nothing anyone can do anyway.
However, do i want him to stay? Well he knows the club now, he knows the league and has proved he can be successful with the right squad so on the face of it its a big YES i do.
But and this is the important factor for me, can we as a club do better in the coaching position and also should we as one of the big players in league now have done better? To me in our league in our country no matter home many times the fans insist on getting in this coach or that one (and this applies to other clubs too) we will not get them, at best we are likely to get an ex NHLer who wants to move in to coaching as per Ben Simon and he moved on as soon as he had the chance. As far as the league is concerned yes perhaps as a club we should have done better...is this down to the coaching or other factors and would some one other than Corey have made a difference?
I can see Pdman points in that in reality given the budgets available to the clubs there really should only be perhaps 3 clubs in the running to win it so on those odds yes we should have been more successful and perhaps given the budget maybe a rookie could coach a better team to wins but in a real world the best dont always win and there are always other factors that play a part noone would have thought belfast would walk the league this season at a canter.
Final point to me is the club cannot be complacent or nostalgic, look at Brian Clough at nottingham forest lived off past glories for too long and should have retired well before he was pushed dont want to get in that position at panthers IF Corey stops being successful then it would be time for him to move on...
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