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Post by PantherB on Jul 18, 2013 23:30:34 GMT
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 18, 2013 23:49:45 GMT
Sorry to be negative and obviously I hope to be proved wrong but in my eyes he looks like a fairly sizeable downgrade on Beckett.
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Post by PantherB on Jul 18, 2013 23:54:21 GMT
Sorry to be negative and obviously I hope to be proved wrong but in my eyes he looks like a fairly sizeable downgrade on Beckett. I agree, at first glance to me he didnt look great on stats but only time will tell. Before Lepine came here his stats aren't exactly good either but he proved to us what a good, valuable player he was to the team with his defencive efforts and i hope Murray does the same. |
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Post by bill238 on Jul 19, 2013 1:16:15 GMT
Upgrade for me on Beckett on paper without seeing the guy. Beckett spent his previous 5 seasons before coming to the EIHL in leagues like the Austrain 2nd division, swedish 3 and 4th divisions. This guy in his past 5 seasons when he has actually played has spent almost half his time in the AHL.
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Post by dp on Jul 19, 2013 5:25:47 GMT
He may turn out OK but this is definitely a "balance the books" signing and not one I'd have expected us to be making. However positively you try and spin in, there's obviously a massive gamble signing someone coming off an entire season out injured. If we were going all out this season I'd have expected much more.
Really hope Corey knows what he's doing this season.
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Post by Pies on Jul 19, 2013 5:29:19 GMT
This guy has the calibre to be a great player. You don't play AHL and ECHL without being of a decent standard. Maybe people think he's diluted down because we've been used to NHL quality players - people looked at Werner and said he was a budget signing and he wasn't right but look how that turned out. Corey will have done his research and got the right guy not the budget guy.
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Post by kezypanther on Jul 19, 2013 7:15:03 GMT
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Post by bigfonzy on Jul 19, 2013 7:16:30 GMT
I look at this as potentially a pretty good signing. Similar situation to the Billy Ryan signing. Had a season off due to injury and clearly wanted to get a good year under his belt to get back into the AHL. If this guy had been fit last year we wouldnt see him over here. With the regularity of the call ups he would probably be one of two main 'defensive' d men in the coast line up and clearly can hold his own in the ahl given the stretches he has played. Decent size and will be a good skater. Beckett had been on the slide regards playing standards for 6 to 7 years - this guy could be a quality replacement. Add Werner and I think our D looks better this year than last (on paper)
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Post by kezypanther on Jul 19, 2013 7:26:05 GMT
I agree with you BigFonzy, I do think our D looks stronger on paper. Thats if we sign Werner too though imo. But it looks like it'll be sooner rather than later regarding him. We shall see but I am liking the look of this team. I think we could have done with a few more goals but CN knows all about goals so we shall see.
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Post by sameagain on Jul 19, 2013 7:27:38 GMT
All this talk of a cheap player, who knows what Corey has to spend? plus the fact, do some of you think that a few thousand here or there is going to skint N.B. He wants to win in Europe as well as at home lets wait and see.
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Post by 5+game on Jul 19, 2013 7:29:09 GMT
I look at this as potentially a pretty good signing. Similar situation to the Billy Ryan signing. Had a season off due to injury and clearly wanted to get a good year under his belt to get back into the AHL. If this guy had been fit last year we wouldnt see him over here. With the regularity of the call ups he would probably be one of two main 'defensive' d men in the coast line up and clearly can hold his own in the ahl given the stretches he has played. Decent size and will be a good skater. Beckett had been on the slide regards playing standards for 6 to 7 years - this guy could be a quality replacement. Add Werner and I think our D looks better this year than last (on paper) According to this article near the bottom he retired from hockey last last season gocheckers.com/news/checkers/?article_id=1557 |
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Jul 19, 2013 7:38:42 GMT
I am not overwhelmed with this one. Think the guy can play but I don't think he is going to set the league alight.
But I think that we owe Corey his due as people have commented with Lepine and Werner who didn't necessarily look too hot on paper and then have done a job for us.
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Post by Gilly on Jul 19, 2013 7:47:03 GMT
Looks a solid stay at home signing. ok so hes had a year out last year, but form is temporary, class is permanent, so you dont just suddenly lose it overnight.
happy with this as a replacement for Beckett, is in his prime at 28 and is a good size with the ability to handle himself if needs be.
Werner or another good 2-way defenceman for our final slot and i think we're looking very strong indeed
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Post by johnebgood on Jul 19, 2013 8:04:47 GMT
Must agree with bigfonzy and Kezy, I can see why people feel abit negative, but ive grown to trust Coreys judgement and iam hoping this guy made the right decision to let his injury heal completely and get back into action fully recovered and eager to put it behind him. I personally think he will be very good for us and iam looking forward to seeing not just him, but the whole team come together, I think it could be an exciting season as we have toughness and a lot of flair, just need Werner to complete the jigsaw, and possibly a "spare" import. Welcome to Nottingham Chris.
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Post by BigLad on Jul 19, 2013 8:35:38 GMT
Budget signing? You lot are nuts.
A player who plays the whole of his career at the level he has is not a budget signing.
I'm impressed and look forward to seeing him play for us.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 19, 2013 8:51:00 GMT
Upgrade for me on Beckett on paper without seeing the guy. Beckett spent his previous 5 seasons before coming to the EIHL in leagues like the Austrain 2nd division, swedish 3 and 4th divisions. This guy in his past 5 seasons when he has actually played has spent almost half his time in the AHL. I see where you are coming from Bill but Beckett has more than twice as many AHL games in his locker and did not come in after a year out injured. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 19, 2013 9:03:05 GMT
I might be missing something but im not sure how the D is looking better on paper than last season.
The way I see it we have swapped Jordan Fox for Tom Norton.
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Post by Gilly on Jul 19, 2013 9:27:42 GMT
I might be missing something but im not sure how the D is looking better on paper than last season. The way I see it we have swapped Jordan Fox for Tom Norton. we were always going to be weaker brit wise this season with the loss of Myers. and so weve had to fill that gap left by myers up front with extra import forward (we had 6 last year) so that leaves us with 1 less import dman to have, so either we go with 5 dmen (new import, Murray, Henley, Weaver & Lee) with Norton as spare, or we include norton on a regular shift - all depends really on how EIHL ready he is. id be inclined to start the season with 5 Dmen and norton dropping in when players need a rest etc. the loss of myers was always going to be a big one to fill, but for me its a wait and see how much 4 import Dmen as opposed to 3 which we have this year will affect the tight unit we need to be successful at the back. im happy with murray, he could well be an under the radar signing and turn out to be a real gem - just for my 1p worth - he wouldnt come cheap i dont think |
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Post by kezypanther on Jul 19, 2013 9:39:31 GMT
I might be missing something but im not sure how the D is looking better on paper than last season. The way I see it we have swapped Jordan Fox for Tom Norton. The reason I think we are stronger D wise is because I think Murray will be just as good as Beckett, yes he has had a year out but being called up to AHL almost every year he must have something. Then I think we have upgraded on Lepine with Henley, imo Lepine was a good D man not a great one. Then if we have Werner back we get one of the best D man if not the best D man from last season. Fox is a hard one as he wasn't meant to be one of our D men but switched mid season. In my eyes this was because we had Matt as a foward where as this year we wont have the luxury. So going from there original roles I think our D is better this year. =) |
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Jul 19, 2013 9:42:09 GMT
I might be missing something but im not sure how the D is looking better on paper than last season. The way I see it we have swapped Jordan Fox for Tom Norton. The reason I think we are stronger D wise is because I think Murray will be just as good as Beckett, yes he has had a year out but being called up to AHL almost every year he must have something. Then I think we have upgraded on Lepine with Henley, imo Lepine was a good D man not a great one. Then if we have Werner back we get one of the best D man if not the best D man from last season. Fox is a hard one as he wasn't meant to be one of our D men but switched mid season. In my eyes this was because we had Matt as a foward where as this year we wont have the luxury. So going from there original roles I think our D is better this year. =) 'Awaits nervously news as to whether Werner is coming back!!' |
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 19, 2013 9:45:15 GMT
I might be missing something but im not sure how the D is looking better on paper than last season. The way I see it we have swapped Jordan Fox for Tom Norton. we were always going to be weaker brit wise this season with the loss of Myers. and so weve had to fill that gap left by myers up front with extra import forward (we had 6 last year) Not if we had signed Peacock, Farmer, Dowd, Tait, Shields or O'Connor. so that leaves us with 1 less import dman to have, so either we go with 5 dmen (new import, Murray, Henley, Weaver & Lee) with Norton as spare, or we include norton on a regular shift - all depends really on how EIHL ready he is. id be inclined to start the season with 5 Dmen and norton dropping in when players need a rest etc. Agreethe loss of myers was always going to be a big one to fill, but for me its a wait and see how much 4 import Dmen as opposed to 3 which we have this year will affect the tight unit we need to be successful at the back. im happy with murray, he could well be an under the radar signing and turn out to be a real gem - just for my 1p worth - he wouldnt come cheap i dont think I don't see how he could be asking for a big pay cheque after that long out injured. He's not likely to have had people scrambling for his signature. Putting the year out to one side he does look like a good solid AHL stay at home D man so he should be an adequate replacement for Beckett if he comes off the injury ok. |
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Post by Gilly on Jul 19, 2013 10:14:22 GMT
we were always going to be weaker brit wise this season with the loss of Myers. and so weve had to fill that gap left by myers up front with extra import forward (we had 6 last year) Not if we had signed Peacock, Farmer, Dowd, Tait, Shields or O'Connor. so that leaves us with 1 less import dman to have, so either we go with 5 dmen (new import, Murray, Henley, Weaver & Lee) with Norton as spare, or we include norton on a regular shift - all depends really on how EIHL ready he is. id be inclined to start the season with 5 Dmen and norton dropping in when players need a rest etc. Agreethe loss of myers was always going to be a big one to fill, but for me its a wait and see how much 4 import Dmen as opposed to 3 which we have this year will affect the tight unit we need to be successful at the back. im happy with murray, he could well be an under the radar signing and turn out to be a real gem - just for my 1p worth - he wouldnt come cheap i dont think I don't see how he could be asking for a big pay cheque after that long out injured. He's not likely to have had people scrambling for his signature. Putting the year out to one side he does look like a good solid AHL stay at home D man so he should be an adequate replacement for Beckett if he comes off the injury ok. I do see your point mate, but would you expect a builder to accept a lesser paycheck if he was to take a year off to recover from an operation - i doubt it. and Corey seems confident enough his injury is completely sorted out now. similar to Billy Ryan when he came in off an injury hit season. im sure Corey wouldnt have signed him if there was a risk of his injury appearing again |
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Post by 5+game on Jul 19, 2013 10:38:42 GMT
I don't see how he could be asking for a big pay cheque after that long out injured. He's not likely to have had people scrambling for his signature. Putting the year out to one side he does look like a good solid AHL stay at home D man so he should be an adequate replacement for Beckett if he comes off the injury ok. I do see your point mate, but would you expect a builder to accept a lesser paycheck if he was to take a year off to recover from an operation - i doubt it. and Corey seems confident enough his injury is completely sorted out now. similar to Billy Ryan when he came in off an injury hit season. im sure Corey wouldnt have signed him if there was a risk of his injury appearing again Come on Gilly, you cant honestly compare a builder to a professional sportsman. he will have come a lot cheaper after missing last season and will be using this season with the panthers as a way to prove he is match fit, hoping to get a better deal the season after. |
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Post by Gilly on Jul 19, 2013 10:44:43 GMT
I do see your point mate, but would you expect a builder to accept a lesser paycheck if he was to take a year off to recover from an operation - i doubt it. and Corey seems confident enough his injury is completely sorted out now. similar to Billy Ryan when he came in off an injury hit season. im sure Corey wouldnt have signed him if there was a risk of his injury appearing again Come on Gilly, you cant honestly compare a builder to a professional sportsman. he will have come a lot cheaper after missing last season and will be using this season with the panthers as a way to prove he is match fit, hoping to get a better deal the season after. ok then, for example look at Kieron Dyer in football, constantly injured but yet moved from west Ham to QPR and was still on around 40k per week. the principle is the same. and with his pedigree in AHL i still cant imagine he would be a low earner on this team |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 10:59:05 GMT
He won't be cheap , gilly is right !!
I like the look of Murray , CN is proven in finding quality guys , there must be something in Murray what tempted Corey to sign him, he ll have been recommended by a current player or a coach Corey has perhaps spoken to.
He can handle himself too so he ticks the toughness box too . Going by looking at him on YouTube .
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