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Post by PantherTom on Mar 18, 2013 19:05:34 GMT
This number has got to be retired now! Especially after he has bought us the holy grail. What are everyone's thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 19:10:24 GMT
It will be i think eventually just not yet
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Post by Dan on Mar 18, 2013 19:15:26 GMT
Bit early. Wait until he's won a few more.
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Post by Alf Garnett on Mar 18, 2013 20:14:43 GMT
In all seriousness though, Corey has earned the respect and adulation of the fanbase. There has been numerous occasions both as a player and a coach where questions have been asked and concerns raised. On each and every occasion Corey Neilson has let his hockey or brain do the talking. Fans of previous generations idolised Chick Zamick and Les Strongman. If nothing else Corey has earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath and classed a a Panthers 'Legend'.
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Post by ted logan on Mar 18, 2013 20:20:58 GMT
Needs doing. Well deserved.
A distinguished playing career. Three cup wins. A double double and last but by no means least, the holy grail.
Panther don't retire shirts easily but I can't see what more CN can do to have 77 retired.
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Post by mouth on Mar 18, 2013 21:27:47 GMT
Thread might carry some weight if you change #77 to #13.
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Post by kingmonkeybutt on Mar 18, 2013 21:38:37 GMT
put him on the currency and tattoo his name on the face of the mayor
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Post by Pies on Mar 18, 2013 21:46:25 GMT
I don't think I can ever imagine another player wearing the 77 again and doing it the justice Corey has - people mention TK's number 9 jersey but players like DAB and now Pat Galivan (he scored the league winning goal, he can do no wrong now!) have done it honour.
Retire 77 - in the modern era, no import in Nottingham has served this club more than Corey. He's had some harsh critics over the years, myself included, but he's done more and won more than anyone else. He bleeds this club - he'd not missed a single game up until this year through injury. He scored big goals and made big plays. He's learnt season on season - many fans wanted rid of Galivan, Graham and shockingly Ling this year. These 3 have turned up for the big ones as much as anyone. He got an NHL import - not one that was going to get us goals but one who complimented the team with great forechecking.
I think if they don't retire his number and someone wishes to wear it, they'll have to have it explained to them what this. Number means and the expectations it will entail in a lot of fans eyes.
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Post by panthertom93 on Mar 18, 2013 22:01:53 GMT
To see it retired, we'll have to wait for the sad day that he leaves us. I'd rather than not happen for a looooong time yet!
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Post by abi on Mar 18, 2013 23:03:22 GMT
To see it retired, we'll have to wait for the sad day that he leaves us. I'd rather than not happen for a looooong time yet! Why not do it when he fully retires from playing? (which i can't see being more than a few seasons away now, unless something happens to Weaver) I have to admit that he was never really my cuppa as a player, always thought he took stupid penalties and spat his dummy out, but you can't really argue what he's brought to the Panthers trophy cabinet...
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Post by Dan on Mar 19, 2013 4:45:56 GMT
Number retirements are for legendary players. Weber played for us for 87 years, Hadden scored a million and six goals and broke the goal scoring record twice in one night. Corey as a player was decent, but far from legendary.
There are other ways to honour successful coaches, this isn't it. Call me a traditionalist and all, but I don't agree with it.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Mar 19, 2013 8:23:30 GMT
Think you have a point, with regard to separation of player and coach. He in his own words "has sweat blood for the club", but its that enough as a player? Perhaps a civic honour from the City- he has lived in the area and contributed much, and sometimes has had to put up with unpleasant criticism. I think he does deserve something. Think back if it had not been the double last year, would he have been in situ this season?
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Post by sambo79 on Mar 19, 2013 16:12:24 GMT
'Far from legendary'? He's still a player-coach right? Still down as a player on the website and still could play if we were short on imports. He's the highest scoring defenceman in PPG that we've had in the EIHL (Can't remember enough of the ISL but struggling to think of anyone then who outscored him) he's the most successful player and coach in the history of the club and that's not legendary?
I hope we retain him and Rick as coaches for many years to come. When he goes, so should the number 77.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Mar 19, 2013 16:27:44 GMT
Number retirements are for legendary players. Weber played for us for 87 years, Hadden scored a million and six goals and broke the goal scoring record twice in one night. Corey as a player was decent, but far from legendary. There are other ways to honour successful coaches, this isn't it. Call me a traditionalist and all, but I don't agree with it. Let's not get confused here, jersey retirement is for services as a player, not coach. Does Neilson deserve that accolade based on his playing career in Nottingham. IMO, yes he does. The guy has played for us over eight seasons, of which he didn't miss a game until the seventh! He's played forward and D, scored near on a point per game, fought in every season, not disappeared to Europe for a cheeky year abroad, captained the team and has been a constant and arguably one of our most influential players through the most successful period in our history. If that's only decent then most of our roster must be abysmal! Just like Hadden he's had some bad nights but not once have I ever thought he was shirking on effort. 77 needs retiring and on top of that his coaching success needs recognising too. His number isn't the only one that needs adding to the list but it's certainly one of them.
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Post by Dan on Mar 19, 2013 16:39:55 GMT
I thought the argument would be that he's due number retirement for his coaching. I just don't see how it was for the playing.
For starters, he's only been here for 7 years, and he's only played 9 games in the 7th. Sure, he scored points but he was often a liability in his own end and was well past his best for at least 3 of those years. Retiring a number isn't done for just 'good' players who've been here a while, it's for the absolute best of all time.
Weber played for us for 17 years, never once playing for another team. Rippingale tragically died before establishing himself, Hadden has more goals than any Panther in history and Adey more points.
I'm sorry, but Neilson isn't anywhere near those four.
(It's a little unfortunate to have this convo at this point, after his greatest achievement, but it needs to be said)
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Post by Dan on Mar 19, 2013 16:44:29 GMT
'Far from legendary'? He's still a player-coach right? Still down as a player on the website and still could play if we were short on imports. He's the highest scoring defenceman in PPG that we've had in the EIHL (Can't remember enough of the ISL but struggling to think of anyone then who outscored him) he's the most successful player and coach in the history of the club and that's not legendary? I hope we retain him and Rick as coaches for many years to come. When he goes, so should the number 77. Let's look at Chick Zamick shall we? The man played for us for over a decade and to my knowledge finished as top points scorer every single year. He got over 150 points in one season! He's still our second highest point scorer of all time. He then took over as coach and won the treble including (up until last week) our last league triumph. They haven't retired Zamick's number.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 19, 2013 16:50:15 GMT
Gary says they don't know Chick's number, or Strongman's.
Then again CN wore 76 and 77 for us.
Whether CN's should be retired or not - and I agree it should be solely measured on his playing career not his coaching achievements - I don't really see the point when the number isn't really honoured anyway. A little paw print on some pointless banner at the stage end? 2 seconds on the intro video?
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Post by ted logan on Mar 19, 2013 16:57:34 GMT
'Far from legendary'? He's still a player-coach right? Still down as a player on the website and still could play if we were short on imports. He's the highest scoring defenceman in PPG that we've had in the EIHL (Can't remember enough of the ISL but struggling to think of anyone then who outscored him) he's the most successful player and coach in the history of the club and that's not legendary? I hope we retain him and Rick as coaches for many years to come. When he goes, so should the number 77. Let's look at Chick Zamick shall we? The man played for us for over a decade and to my knowledge finished as top points scorer every single year. He got over 150 points in one season! He's still our second highest point scorer of all time. He then took over as coach and won the treble including (up until last week) our last league triumph. They haven't retired Zamick's number. They should If they know what it was
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Post by kezypanther on Mar 19, 2013 17:19:04 GMT
I think that was the problem. Didn't Gary say he wore several numbers or something. You can't just retire one of them ... Or could you ?
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Post by Caesar on Mar 19, 2013 18:29:07 GMT
So hang a shirt up without a number on it but just says 'Zamick' on it. Problem solved
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Post by Dan on Mar 19, 2013 18:38:29 GMT
If you cared enough you could. Not sure why it's not been done.
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Post by Caesar on Mar 19, 2013 18:55:17 GMT
Agreed. Whilst retiring numbers is great surely its more about honouring the person and their achievements,contributions and legacy.
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Post by dub on Mar 19, 2013 19:51:49 GMT
What needs to be done before your shirt number is retired? He has been fantastic for us as a player and as a coach. The trophies have flowed. As a player, he was accomplished as a blue-liner - always stood tall and wanted the puck. As a coach, he is accomplishing - Panthers have just got better. He had the balls to accept Rick Strachan to coach; he's added physical and psychological toughness to a skilful team; his import signings have been great; and crowds are up. What else does a man need to do before being crowned a Panthers legend?!
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Post by ted logan on Mar 19, 2013 19:55:13 GMT
According to Belfast fans, Hicks was our star player this season - maybe retire his shirt instead
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Post by goon37 on Mar 19, 2013 21:06:22 GMT
I thought the argument would be that he's due number retirement for his coaching. I just don't see how it was for the playing. For starters, he's only been here for 7 years, and he's only played 9 games in the 7th. Sure, he scored points but he was often a liability in his own end and was well past his best for at least 3 of those years. Retiring a number isn't done for just 'good' players who've been here a while, it's for the absolute best of all time. Weber played for us for 17 years, never once playing for another team. Rippingale tragically died before establishing himself, Hadden has more goals than any Panther in history and Adey more points. I'm sorry, but Neilson isn't anywhere near those four. (It's a little unfortunate to have this convo at this point, after his greatest achievement, but it needs to be said) Never a truer word said on this forum.
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