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Post by bill238 on May 26, 2012 16:00:56 GMT
No surprise the club apologist Bill jumps to the clubs defence . Why don't you grow up and stop labelling me names. Its called my opinion, I don't go round belittering your opinion by labelling you every time you have a moan which is more then often, so please do not do the same to me
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Post by pantherlee on May 26, 2012 17:22:33 GMT
give the guy a chance people. he hasn't even hit a puck for us yet and he's being judged from all angles and i bet most of you haven't even seen him play. you can't just look at numbers and stats and know the guy inside out
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Post by oneillthegiant on May 26, 2012 17:55:16 GMT
Decent enough signing... It's the kind of quality you would expect from one of the top EIHL teams.. Similar stats as Giants Aaron Clarke and Fox of your team..
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Post by pantherdaveb on May 26, 2012 18:04:39 GMT
Posted by Pantherlee
give the guy a chance people. he hasn't even hit a puck for us yet and he's being judged from all angles and i bet most of you haven't even seen him play. you can't just look at numbers and stats and know the guy inside out
+1
I'm fairly new so not as 'experienced' as some on here but I sometimes wonder what people want from CN, Sidney Crosby, Ovechkin, NHL'ers?! I've seen players in the AHL play offs that'll be great, but chances of getting them?. Personally speaking, CN and RS have far more experience than any of us so will trust their judgement with signings. Double Double is surely heading in the right direction?
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Post by dp on May 26, 2012 18:31:33 GMT
I suppose my main worry is that there's talk of a lot of last year's team returning. That team came up way, way short in the league, and we're going to have to cope with losing Neilson as a player as well which will seriously weaken us. Whilst we're doing this, other teams are significantly strengthening (Steelers in particular, who finished above us anyway).
That means that any changes we make have to be for very, very good players. This chap looks decent, but not outstanding, and not necessarily an upgrade on what we had last season.
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Post by Pies on May 26, 2012 19:04:25 GMT
I suppose my main worry is that there's talk of a lot of last year's team returning. That team came up way, way short in the league, and we're going to have to cope with losing Neilson as a player as well which will seriously weaken us. Whilst we're doing this, other teams are significantly strengthening (Steelers in particular, who finished above us anyway). That means that any changes we make have to be for very, very good players. This chap looks decent, but not outstanding, and not necessarily an upgrade on what we had last season. Theres already been a fair few changes though - weve lost 3 players (meyers, sami and rhett) signed 4 players who wernt here last year (ward, norton,weaver and galivan) and retained our best 2 players. Plenty of changes already!
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Post by texpef on May 26, 2012 19:44:59 GMT
but without seeing the whole package yet Pies (and so it is difficult to get a true reflection) the signings so far imho havent exactly strengthened us.
We have lost a british defenceman that is coming into his prime (and incidentally strengthened our rivals) for a 35 yr old that only has a yr or two left in him. We have brought in several kids that really havent excelled as some players that have been listed in other threads in the lower leagues in this country and i will be very surprised if they get alot of ice time at Panthers. We have also lost a known quantity on both Sami and Rhett lets hope we get some upgrades as there is little point in changing.
All in all hoping for some good high quality signings Pies but dont see the point in changing just for the sake of it...
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Post by dp on May 26, 2012 19:46:24 GMT
I know this'll seem really negative Pies, but to be fair Ward and Norton aren't going to make the difference between third and first. Weaver is Nielson's replacement, and surely nobody could argue that he's as good as Nielson.
And Galivan is not the same calibre of player Gordon is, so by no means an upgrade on paper.
Afraid it looks like we're going to be sticking to the wage cap again whilst our rivals laugh at it.
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Post by LINDROS on May 26, 2012 20:39:55 GMT
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Post by Jasper on May 26, 2012 20:41:56 GMT
I know this'll seem really negative Pies, but to be fair Ward and Norton aren't going to make the difference between third and first. Weaver is Nielson's replacement, and surely nobody could argue that he's as good as Nielson. And Galivan is not the same calibre of player Gordon is, so by no means an upgrade on paper. Afraid it looks like we're going to be sticking to the wage cap again whilst our rivals laugh at it. There is NO wage cap! What we are sticking to is the budget which Neil Black imposes. As for Galivan, I am somewhat underwhelmed but calibre or not he hasn't really got much to live up to if he is a replacement for Gordon whose only really good game was the playoff final. I wonder if this means we are going with six imports forwards as if we re-sign Francis and Benedict (about a point a game last year) and with Galivan not looking to be a big scorer (despite the 80 point spin on the website) there would be a lot of pressure on Clarke, Fox and one other to produce points. By the way, has anyone worked out how the website gets 34 points from 50 games for Galivan last season?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2012 20:49:01 GMT
If Corey has been chasing this guy for 3 years then id say he may be onto something. I don t know what people want/expect here ? Some multi AHL gamer ?
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Post by pantherdaveb on May 26, 2012 20:59:05 GMT
Totally agree, poor lad hasn't played a game yet and already he's a bad choice. Had anyone really heard of JF before last year and look what he achieved. If/prob was true, he had the choice of clubs in UK and abroad but chose Panthers, why? prob coz he believes in CNs plan? Lets just wait and see the 'Team' in action, not individuals.
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Post by dp on May 26, 2012 21:04:58 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 26, 2012 21:12:50 GMT
Corey chased Wilson for 2 + years? lol
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Post by Jasper on May 26, 2012 21:27:44 GMT
If Corey has been chasing this guy for 3 years then id say he may be onto something. I don t know what people want/expect here ? Some multi AHL gamer ? I'm clearly not deluded enough to expect a forward from the top end of the AHL if that's what you mean but once in a while it would be good to sign think we could compete with Belfast in terms of quality of players we sign. I'm not writing Galivan off but if he is going to be one of our main offensive threats I would suggest Belfast will sign players of a significantly higher calibre.
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Post by pantherlee on May 26, 2012 21:36:17 GMT
I know this'll seem really negative Pies, but to be fair Ward and Norton aren't going to make the difference between third and first. Weaver is Nielson's replacement, and surely nobody could argue that he's as good as Nielson. And Galivan is not the same calibre of player Gordon is, so by no means an upgrade on paper. Afraid it looks like we're going to be sticking to the wage cap again whilst our rivals laugh at it. Have you ever seen galivan play? If not then how can you say he isn't in the same calibre as rhett gordon. For me gordon was the most underwhelming player on our roster last season. you and many other people seem to have written galivan off before he has even hit a puck for us. Give him a chance to prove himself with panthers and if he does disappoint then judge him but not now, for all you know he could be our best player next season
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2012 21:45:16 GMT
I know this'll seem really negative Pies, but to be fair Ward and Norton aren't going to make the difference between third and first. Weaver is Nielson's replacement, and surely nobody could argue that he's as good as Nielson. And Galivan is not the same calibre of player Gordon is, so by no means an upgrade on paper. Afraid it looks like we're going to be sticking to the wage cap again whilst our rivals laugh at it. Have you ever seen galivan play? If not then how can you say he isn't in the same calibre as rhett gordon. For me gordon was the most underwhelming player on our roster last season. you and many other people seem to have written galivan off before he has even hit a puck for us. Give him a chance to prove himself with panthers and if he does disappoint then judge him but not now, for all you know he could be our best player next season Well said . Utter nonsense from dp
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Post by Gsxr on May 26, 2012 22:20:28 GMT
I hope players new and old don't read have the crap posted in these forums to be honest .
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Post by Doom on May 26, 2012 22:37:14 GMT
Afraid it looks like we're going to be sticking to the wage cap again whilst our rivals laugh at it. There is no wage cap, but even if there was, which rivals are laughing at it? As an outsider looking in, I see the following with the Panthers squad: 1. Clarke - The highest goalscoring British player over the last couple of seasons and someone who is likely to bang in 40 goals. 2. Weaver - The all time highest scoring British defenceman in the EIHL. 3. Neilson - The all time highest scoring import defenceman in the EIHL. 4. Kowalski - Arguably the best netminder in the league last season.....I certainly thought so. 5. Fox - Arguable the best two way centre in the league last season. I can see why you might think Panthers are doing it on the cheap this season. Regards Doom
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Post by BigLad on May 27, 2012 0:15:30 GMT
OMG are you people serious?!
This is a VERY good signing for us. It's not a wait and see at all.
Welcome to Nottingham Pat.
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Post by dill1015 on May 27, 2012 0:20:54 GMT
How can anyone think this is a cheap signing. I havn't seen Galivan play but i suspect based on his stats that hes going to one of our top point scorers next season. lets compare his ECHL points per game against some others who have played in this country shall we...
Galivan: 0.80 brendan cook: 0.57 sean McAslan: 0.65 David-Alexandre Beauregard: 0.80 rob Bellamy: 0.38
And hes done this on an apparently low scoring team in that league. Overall im very happy with this. I think 80 points is possible for him next season. although i thnk he is either ryhanen or DAB replacement, as i think rhett gordans replacement will be a defencemen (i hope so anyway)
Finally in regards to the quality of Belfast compared to us. Belfast only had 2 forwards with a better points per game in the ECHL last year. Where we were weaker than Belfast last season is in defence. this is the area we need to increase our quality, and theres still no reason to think we wont do that yet. Overall i dont this signing has weaken us at all. Welcome to Nottingham Pat, look forward to seeing what you can do.
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Post by Pies on May 27, 2012 6:29:26 GMT
If Fox and Francis have said he's a good player having played with him, Coreys done his scouting and his stats are comparable with alot of other players then how can we question professionals and make assumptions over them? Theres no point signing a team of individuals who won't pull together, it's about finding players who can play together to win which is what the most important thing is. He's played in the AHL, you don't play there if you're an "underwhelming" player. He's in his peak and we're not going to sign top NHL/AHL players in their peak. We may sign them for their last hurrah but I'd rather have a player on the up than a player on the delcine as Pecker must be to keep dropping leagues
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Post by Shaggy on May 27, 2012 6:46:17 GMT
Of course this is a "wait and see" signing - it always is when we've never seen the guy play in this country before. But - putting aside the hype from Corey/the Panthers (which may or may not be justified) - this still doesn't look like a signing that we should be worried about. Reminds me of when we signed Matt Francis... he wasn't exactly greeted with cries of joy, people seemed to be somewhat underwhelmed by him (before they'd even seen him!)... yet he did us all right.
I'll go with 'cautiously optimistic' on this one.
And welcome to Nottingham, Pat...
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Post by Doom on May 27, 2012 7:41:57 GMT
Based purely on his stats, which is all supporters can really go on at the moment, I wouldn't have been unhappy if this guy had signed for the Steelers.
He looks good for about 30 goals and clearly he has something about him to get two AHL call ups.
He's not what I'd call a 'WOW' signing, but how many of those are there across the entire league?
This guy looks a good solid signing to me and would probably be one of the top 2 or 3 players on all but the arena teams rosters.
Regards
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Post by PantherTom on May 27, 2012 7:52:28 GMT
OMG are you people serious?! This is a VERY good signing for us. It's not a wait and see at all. Welcome to Nottingham Pat. With you on that big lad looks like a cracker
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