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Post by PantherTom on Apr 16, 2012 22:15:25 GMT
No one seems to have bought up the fact we are the most successful Elite legue club winning 8 trophies followed closely by Coventry (7) and Sheffield (6) and 5 of our 8 trophies coming from Corey Neilson who also has the clubs highest ever win percentage
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Post by texpef on Apr 16, 2012 22:17:41 GMT
and?.....
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Post by PantherTom on Apr 16, 2012 22:22:52 GMT
I think considering how good Coventry were that is a good achievement which baffles me even more why people wanted to get rid of Neilson |
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Post by 5+game on Apr 16, 2012 22:40:23 GMT
I think considering how good Coventry were that is a good achievement which baffles me even more why people wanted to get rid of Neilson People want rid because he hasn't won the league |
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Post by PantherTom on Apr 16, 2012 22:41:23 GMT
I think considering how good Coventry were that is a good achievement which baffles me even more why people wanted to get rid of Neilson People want rid because he hasn't won the league Yes but neither did Ellis and he was useless and everyone loves him |
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Post by Jay on Apr 16, 2012 22:48:00 GMT
Give me a double of the league and playoff victory over 8 trophies any day.
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Post by robbo2306 on Apr 16, 2012 23:24:49 GMT
Mmmm......Coventry have won the Elite League 4 times. I'd take those 4 triumphs over your cups and playoffs any day of the week.
Also the Steelers have won the Elite League 3 times including 2 doubles of league and playoffs.
For me, the most successful team in the Elite League is Coventry with 4 title wins.
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Post by gump on Apr 17, 2012 2:52:55 GMT
League titles weighted to only those clubs with big budget.Playoffs are the hardest to win if they were done properly ie:NHL,Euro etc. However that will never happen in this soccer mentality league. Suspect the league will be diminished in teams as the bottom feeders struggle to stay a float.Nelson has done very well and deserves a new contract however why he would want to given the amount of abuse on this site is beyond me
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Post by Gsxr on Apr 17, 2012 4:57:57 GMT
Id hope he either doesn't read this or ignore 80% of it
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Post by seedy on Apr 17, 2012 7:45:06 GMT
People want rid because he hasn't won the league Yes but neither did Ellis and he was useless and everyone loves him Ellis wasnt given the chance Corey was (for whatever reason) |
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Post by jd on Apr 17, 2012 8:10:02 GMT
Ellis was offered a 3rd year and HE turned it down, hence CN being given a chance
Ellis was a bizarre one for me, won the playoffs but made some bad choices. Remeber Corey playing as a centre? Evan Lindsay? Still, people love him
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Post by 5+game on Apr 17, 2012 8:21:18 GMT
Ellis was offered a 3rd year and HE turned it down, hence CN being given a chance Ellis was a bizarre one for me, won the playoffs but made some bad choices. Remeber Corey playing as a centre? Evan Lindsay? Still, people love him He was offered a pathetic contract by NB one that no coach in this league would have signed. NB knew he wouldnt re-sign on those terms so he was able to oust the only coach we had had that won trophies in back to back seasons without the backlash from the fans. Corey has played himself up front on numerous occasions since he has been coach. You mention Evan Lindsay, but what about Davis Parley? both signed by different Coaches but both with the same outcome. Ellis made one of the gutsiest moves by a panthers coach in getting rid of the prodigal son Paul Moran in the lead up to the playoffs, unfortunately from that day on his card was marked. |
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Post by Pies on Apr 17, 2012 8:21:24 GMT
Ellis was offered a 3rd year and HE turned it down, hence CN being given a chance Ellis was a bizarre one for me, won the playoffs but made some bad choices. Remeber Corey playing as a centre? Evan Lindsay? Still, people love him I though Ellis got the push? |
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Post by 5+game on Apr 17, 2012 9:01:36 GMT
Ellis was offered a 3rd year and HE turned it down, hence CN being given a chance Ellis was a bizarre one for me, won the playoffs but made some bad choices. Remeber Corey playing as a centre? Evan Lindsay? Still, people love him I though Ellis got the push? True in some scence, see my above post. |
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 17, 2012 9:06:35 GMT
No one seems to have bought up the fact we are the most successful Elite legue club winning 8 trophies followed closely by Coventry (7) and Sheffield (6) and 5 of our 8 trophies coming from Corey Neilson who also has the clubs highest ever win percentage Didn't Coventry win a BKC? |
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Post by 5+game on Apr 17, 2012 9:19:35 GMT
No one seems to have bought up the fact we are the most successful Elite legue club winning 8 trophies followed closely by Coventry (7) and Sheffield (6) and 5 of our 8 trophies coming from Corey Neilson who also has the clubs highest ever win percentage Didn't Coventry win a BKC? They did, in 07-08 season i think |
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 17, 2012 9:38:05 GMT
Didn't Coventry win a BKC? They did, in 07-08 season i think That would make them equal on 8 trophies. Give the Steelers a BKC and a 20/20 and they are equal on 8 too. *lets wait for the currently played for trophy brigade. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 17, 2012 10:03:53 GMT
Who cares?
4 in the last 2 years is cracking.
The league next would be nice.
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Post by jd on Apr 17, 2012 10:08:22 GMT
Ellis was offered a 3rd year and HE turned it down, hence CN being given a chance Ellis was a bizarre one for me, won the playoffs but made some bad choices. Remeber Corey playing as a centre? Evan Lindsay? Still, people love him He was offered a pathetic contract by NB one that no coach in this league would have signed. NB knew he wouldnt re-sign on those terms so he was able to oust the only coach we had had that won trophies in back to back seasons without the backlash from the fans. Corey has played himself up front on numerous occasions since he has been coach. You mention Evan Lindsay, but what about Davis Parley? both signed by different Coaches but both with the same outcome. Ellis made one of the gutsiest moves by a panthers coach in getting rid of the prodigal son Paul Moran in the lead up to the playoffs, unfortunately from that day on his card was marked. What was the contract? He may have played himself up, but hes won a few trophies and i'd have him over Ellis any day I'm glad he got rid of Moran, he was useless |
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Post by jayc on Apr 17, 2012 10:43:48 GMT
The winning of the league is the holy grail, no doubt about it. However, to win it, it's a great acheivement compared to the other trophies on offer. To win it legitimately, that makes it somewhat harder. Now, what wrankles with me is: a) Sheffield won it, then suffered huge losses financially and nearly repeatedly went out of business, b) Coventry won it & MAYBE are now experiencing the knock on effect financially. I don't really mind how much an organisation spends to win the league, but what I do mind is, when buying the league comes at a cost and the expenditure was in the end, not sustainable. The fans constantly berate us for not winning the league since 56, but what they constantly do conveniently forget is, that WHEN we do win the league, it will be done the correct way, and doing it within our financial means. So, we are a very succesful club when it comes to winning trophies, but the question remains is how creditable is the so called success of the other financially unstable league winners
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Post by Yotes on Apr 17, 2012 10:55:33 GMT
I don't think you can say Coventry's league titles were bought and paid for, they've maybe overstretched themselves by getting involved with Hull at a bad time now, but I don't think they were outspending anyone. They had good players, well coached.
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Post by jayc on Apr 17, 2012 11:06:00 GMT
Like I said, I haven't got a problem how they did it, but it just begs the question why the club is struggling now. I'm not convinced about the Hull involvement having anything to do with it.
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Post by texpef on Apr 17, 2012 11:23:46 GMT
coventry had a massive couple of advantages when they were all conquering.. 1. the came from the BNL to the elite league rather than the import laden ISL which meant they had established quality british players already in their side rather than nick em (sheffield way) or develop them (nottm way). 2. they developed the idea of signing quality imports (alot of which were picked from defunct ISL teams) on reduced contracts but uni courses. Obviously in the meantime other teams have caught up... As for "winning it the right way", so what your saying is Jayc that if panthers spend what they can and dont go bust that is the right way?... I look forward to another ISL team signed in nottm then as panthers against the run of the other clubs made a profit then...  |
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 17, 2012 11:34:25 GMT
Winning it the right way.
Panthers are not whiter than white you know.
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 17, 2012 11:39:46 GMT
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