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Post by PantherTom on Apr 8, 2012 23:21:17 GMT
A Lot of tweets going on about panthers home advantage but where else is there to host the playoffs?
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Post by stedders on Apr 8, 2012 23:42:01 GMT
I agree - they should all just grow the fluff up!!
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Post by Yotes on Apr 8, 2012 23:48:53 GMT
I agree there's no other suitable venue better situated (Sheffield is located OK, but is too big considering we can't even sell out the NIC).
However we do clearly get an advantage from it being played at our place.
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Post by Ghost on Apr 8, 2012 23:51:19 GMT
Plus Sheffield arena is a dive
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Post by Mark on Apr 9, 2012 0:25:36 GMT
Just guessing but are most of these tweets from Sheffield and Belfast fans?
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Post by PantherG on Apr 9, 2012 0:45:47 GMT
I'm a Panthers fan but I'd love to see the final held elsewhere. The matches at Wembley were special, the atmosphere was amazing and it's nice to make a weekend of it. I totally understand why other fans, including Panthers (I spoke to loads who would like it elsewhere) would prefer a neutral venue. But it's not really worth a discussion as the next four will be in the NIC and I'm told Wembley no longer has an ice plant. So I'm guessing suitable venues are limited that are neutral.
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Post by robbo2306 on Apr 9, 2012 1:09:30 GMT
Just guessing but are most of these tweets from Sheffield and Belfast fans? As it would be Belfast and Nottingham fans if Sheffield had "home" advantage season after season. Stop tryng to make out you'd be any different. Especially as people are saying that it was more like a Panthers home game than a playoff final game. Cardiff were supposedly the home team, yet you wore your home shirt, had the home dressing room and the home bench. Not to mention that by all accounts you came onto the ice to your own music whilst Cardiff came on to nothing. If the above really is the case, I wasn't there only saw the game on the TV (none of the build up), then that really is not how it should be. Whilst it may be your home ice and is the best place for it (although Sheffield could host it) during the playoff weekend the venue should be completely neutral, from the music played right down to the announcer not favouring one team over the other or ripping the mickey out of a team that isn't there.  |
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Post by Mark on Apr 9, 2012 5:31:34 GMT
Just guessing but are most of these tweets from Sheffield and Belfast fans? As it would be Belfast and Nottingham fans if Sheffield had "home" advantage season after season. Stop tryng to make out you'd be any different. Especially as people are saying that it was more like a Panthers home game than a playoff final game. Cardiff were supposedly the home team, yet you wore your home shirt, had the home dressing room and the home bench. Not to mention that by all accounts you came onto the ice to your own music whilst Cardiff came on to nothing. If the above really is the case, I wasn't there only saw the game on the TV (none of the build up), then that really is not how it should be. Whilst it may be your home ice and is the best place for it (although Sheffield could host it) during the playoff weekend the venue should be completely neutral, from the music played right down to the announcer not favouring one team over the other or ripping the mickey out of a team that isn't there. That'll be a yes then. The music situation you quote is a load of cobblers, the Panthers didn't come out to their own music whilst the announcer played it down the middle and favoured neither team. I don't remeber anyone taking pot shots at any team that wasn't there either. As for the changing rooms situation, well neither team entered the arena via the usual points so unless someone was downstairs recording which changing rooms were used by whom I would suggest that little nugget is pure supposition. I would also suspect that a sizable majority of Panthers fans would love the Playoffs to be elsewhere, but where exactly? The Motor Point Arena is currently too big, the NIC was far from a sellout and in every other respect is a superior venue in my opinion, and more importantly in the eyes of those who make the decisions it would seem. Belfast would be great but how many fans would realistically attend given it's geographical position and the travel arrangements thus required? The MEN, too big and now lacking an ice plant. Wembley, again no ice plant and the O2, pointless, way too big and I suspect way too expensive. And so that leaves the NIC. Central, the right size and immediately geared up to support an event such as the Playoffs. As a footnote how much of this ill informed guff would have reached the forums had the Panthers not won the title this weekend? Very little I suspect because all those haters out there would have been too busy crowing. So glad to have ruined your weekend. |
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Post by jayc on Apr 9, 2012 6:14:22 GMT
Easy solution, get rid of the playoff weekend and have an NHL type series from quarter finals through to the final. That gets rid of any suggestions of unfair advantage. I was there this weekend, we won which like everyone else, i enjoyed the celebrations but it was embarrassing sometimes how we were made to feel at home. The thing with home/away team was unreal but you just get on with it. Don't want anything in Sheffield until someone cleans the seats. Its really chatty. We have to start thinking about how to fill 7000 seats before looking for something bigger. Anyway, the playoffs will be in Nottingham for the next 4 seasons so the moaners will have to put up with it.
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Post by alisonh on Apr 9, 2012 7:23:36 GMT
I'm sure that on the Radio Nottingham commentary (excellent way of listening to the game if you don't have Sky) they said that the Devils had only bought one set of shirts so both teams had to play in the same shirts as Saturday. How true that is i don't know but would explain why we played in our home strip.
I think the announcer tried to be as neutral as possible, but he knew more about Panthers i.e. the whole believe thing. Plus, if it was the same as on saturday, they used music which related to each team. I think he might have made a joke about Steelers a couple of times but nothing excessive.
It would be lovely to get to travel away for a Playoff weekend but if the NIC ticks all the right boxes what is to be done?
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Apr 9, 2012 7:42:38 GMT
I think this is done every year!
Panthers get the Panthers dressing room at the NIC as tenants of the NIC, if we weren't there no one would use our dressing room.
This makes it easier logistically for us to use what during the regular season is the 'home' bench.
Everything else I would imagine isn't our fault, but lets not make up another excuse to blame us for winning something!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2012 7:43:46 GMT
Its funny how this home advantage is being mentioned now due to us being dominant over the last 2-3 years . But where were these accusations between years 2000-2006 ? strange that
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Post by Pies on Apr 9, 2012 7:55:54 GMT
At the end of the day, colour of shirts, which bench you sit on, where you get changed has no bearing on the result. Get on the ice and play some hockey.
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Post by timay on Apr 9, 2012 8:00:27 GMT
So where were these excuses when Sheffield won twice on the trot?
I also guarantee no team would want the home dressing room especially if they were playing us as it is panthers colours and logos everywhere. Plus would you really want to annoy a team just before you play them?
What difference do it make if you wear a light or dark shirt to winning?
Also no such thing as a home or away bench in ice hockey! For example Nottingham and hull use the left hand bench when looking from the ice while Belfast and Sheffield use the right hand bench when looking from the ice in th regular season
By he looks of things we gave up our usually bench as we was on the right bench for warm up and then swapped for the game, presumably because Cardiff didn't want to walk half way round the arena to get to their bench and or the ref didn't want teams crossing over.
The above post is also right that no one would use the panthers dressing room if we were not there! Cardiff can't of found it too big of a deal anyway otherwise thy would of moved into the bigger away dressing room over night that I believe Belfast were in!
Announcer isn't our announcer unless they mean stef the stats announcer which is just laughable if they think that would help us win but if they do, I hope stef picks up his winning medal!!
Someone mentioned we had our own goal music as well! We didn't simple as that.
The only thing I was surprised about was that we were not designated the home team as on previous seasons and the semi finals it has go on league placings! So that was the only unfair thing I can see.
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Post by 5+game on Apr 9, 2012 8:11:31 GMT
Jon pelle and Scott matzka are having a right old moan Bout it on twitter aswell. No wonder the two loosers have retired if they can't hack it.
It's amazing how the steelers fans have forgot the countless years they had home ice advantage in the b&h cup and challenge cup.
As for the subsection of NHL style playoffs, that will never happen as most teams struggle to get the ice time for it
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Post by chris111 on Apr 9, 2012 8:22:14 GMT
Haven't been to the playoff weekend for 2 years now, don't think I'd go back either until the league gives it an overhaul. The league and NIC have got complacent in organising it, each season its a bit less and yet they charge more. As for tge Panthers home advantage, well its the NIC your home arena so I guess its to be somewhat expected. But it has gotten worse, really has turned into a Panthers home game. The league need to look at the weekend, its lost its magic it once had.
I do think the NIC is the best arena to host it though.
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 9, 2012 8:37:07 GMT
Again people are forgetting there was hockey pre NIC.
The London trips for Cup Finals and Manchester for the Play Offs were the highlights of the season for me.
It is a massive advantage not just home ice but been able to sleep in your own bed and walk to work as normal.
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Post by Ghost on Apr 9, 2012 8:38:53 GMT
There is some serious whinging/excuse making from certain Devils/Giants players on Twitter. Shame really. Puts a downer on it as players that I enjoyed watching and respected can't take the fact that the best team won, not because of seedlings or the NIC.
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Post by james1977 on Apr 9, 2012 8:38:57 GMT
As for the Panthers home advantage, well its the NIC your home arena so I guess its to be somewhat expected. But it has gotten worse, really has turned into a Panthers home game. Says the person who, by their own admission, hasn't been to the PO in two years. WTF do you actually know? Gotta jump on that bandwagon eh? Where were you when Panthers weren't winning? Joining in with '1956' chants? |
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Post by chris111 on Apr 9, 2012 8:56:04 GMT
As for the Panthers home advantage, well its the NIC your home arena so I guess its to be somewhat expected. But it has gotten worse, really has turned into a Panthers home game. Says the person who, by their own admission, hasn't been to the PO in two years. WTF do you actually know? Gotta jump on that bandwagon eh? Where were you when Panthers weren't winning? Joining in with '1956' chants? Sad, tried to have a reasonable well thought out debate over this, but I guess that was too much to ask eh? And yes havent been in 2 seasons, but those problems I mentioned where very much from my experience at previous PO weekends, the problem has merely gotten worse. |
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Post by lee on Apr 9, 2012 9:04:02 GMT
Joke! No one mentioned it the seasons we didn't win it's sour grapes nothing more!
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Post by james1977 on Apr 9, 2012 9:04:38 GMT
Says the person who, by their own admission, hasn't been to the PO in two years. WTF do you actually know? Gotta jump on that bandwagon eh? Where were you when Panthers weren't winning? Joining in with '1956' chants? Sad, tried to have a reasonable well thought out debate over this, but I guess that was too much to ask eh? And yes havent been in 2 seasons, but those problems I mentioned where very much from my experience at previous PO weekends, the problem has merely gotten worse. Jog on with your attempt at climbing on the moral high ground, you came on here like many other bitter opposition fans have recently to have a cheap dig and try to put down Panthers achievement with various excuses. You want reasonable debate? Don't start with making excuses. |
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Post by PantherG on Apr 9, 2012 9:04:44 GMT
I know people have claimed there is no ice pad at the MEN and Wembley but that can't be true. I've just googled 'Dancing on Ice' and both tours are being held in these venues!
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Post by bill238 on Apr 9, 2012 9:07:13 GMT
I know people have claimed there is no ice pad at the MEN and Wembley but that can't be true. I've just googled 'Dancing on Ice' and both tours are being held in these venues! Dancing on ice bring their own special ice making machine to events |
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Post by james1977 on Apr 9, 2012 9:08:43 GMT
I know people have claimed there is no ice pad at the MEN and Wembley but that can't be true. I've just googled 'Dancing on Ice' and both tours are being held in these venues! They use their own temporary ice plant and pad that they cart around with them (hence why they can play at Liverpool Echo Arena etc too). Disney on Ice do the same. It is bloody expensive and time consuming to set up, which is why it is unlikely an option for a single weekend. |
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