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Post by PantherTom on Apr 4, 2011 12:33:35 GMT
I was sat near the whole thing at it wasn't actually convicts who started it. One the convicts climbed down the sears to say buy to sone of his friends and bumped into a woman hd apologised and the woman and her boyfriend started being arsey and swearing at tje man trying to push him over the seats.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 4, 2011 12:44:56 GMT
Could say it was pretty stupid to be trying to climb down the seats in a packed block?
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Post by sanjosefan on Apr 4, 2011 12:50:21 GMT
I think the people who are wanting this man to be banned for life, is a little extreme. I think a 3 strikes and your banned would be a better/fairer example. As for the youngsters who were upset, about this fight, well they're at an Ice Hockey game, where fights can break out. As for the people saying why not check the ticket sales, maybe harder than you think maybe this person bought a ticket from someone who had bought the tickets and couldn't go, could the police look at the persons details? due to the data protection act?
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Post by tecpuldis on Apr 4, 2011 12:50:38 GMT
I was sat near the whole thing at it wasn't actually convicts who started it. One the convicts climbed down the sears to say buy to sone of his friends and bumped into a woman hd apologised and the woman and her boyfriend started being arsey and swearing at tje man trying to push him over the seats. Looks like a Steelers fan got lost then?? Not his fault tho, probably can't read
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Post by jayc on Apr 4, 2011 12:57:10 GMT
PanthersTom, I'm not so sure about your reason/ excuses. The bloke in question had totally lost the plot and was really desperate to lay in to someone. I've seen people lose it before, and this guy was determined. I think it took at least 3 blokes to hold him down. If this was the reason, I would hate to see him if it was really serious. I just feel sorry for the innocent people that he spoilt the day for. I bet he's really proud of himself
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Post by Yotes on Apr 4, 2011 12:57:40 GMT
As for the youngsters who were upset, about this fight, well they're at an Ice Hockey game, where fights can break out. Generally on the ice though J, rather than some blokes with anger management issues who've had a skinful trying to trade right next to you.
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Post by sambo79 on Apr 4, 2011 12:57:44 GMT
Idiots who ever was involved should be banned full stop Careful calling them idiots. It's not allowed on this forum.
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Post by jerome29 on Apr 4, 2011 13:12:13 GMT
Does anyone else think the areana are at fault? If he was that hammered who got him him that hammered? Surely he should not have been served anymore drink to get into that state?
For me your all very lucky, a real mans sport where people go flying into each other, fighting is legal, you can drink while you watch it. If this is all the trouble you get throughout the year (1 incident) yes at a crap time I agree, then you should all count yourselves very lucky.
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Post by Shaggy on Apr 4, 2011 13:19:45 GMT
Idiots who ever was involved should be banned full stop Careful calling them idiots. It's not allowed on this forum. Sambo - shut up. Deliberately calling Cage Forum members "idiots" is what is not allowed, and well you know it. Stop it with the petty little niggles, or take a holiday from the forum - your choice.
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Post by Shaggy on Apr 4, 2011 13:20:32 GMT
Does anyone else think the areana are at fault? If he was that hammered who got him him that hammered? Surely he should not have been served anymore drink to get into that state? No - the NIC can be blamed for many things, but not that. For a start... where did he drink - one of the pubs outside? Maybe one guy got the pints for the whole group? Etc etc. His drinking, his responsibility - simple as.
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Post by lee on Apr 4, 2011 13:22:12 GMT
Does anyone else think the areana are at fault? If he was that hammered who got him him that hammered? Surely he should not have been served anymore drink to get into that state? no! people shoudl have enough self control to know when they have had enough. you can't blame the arena, they have a duty of care but ZERO responsibility for how drunk and stupid someone chooses to get...
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Post by jerome29 on Apr 4, 2011 13:26:43 GMT
Not true Lee, like a pub they have the right to refuse someone drink. By the sounds of it this should of happened??
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Post by sanjosefan on Apr 4, 2011 13:32:00 GMT
Not true Lee, like a pub they have the right to refuse someone drink. By the sounds of it this should of happened?? That is down to the member of staff judgement, its a bit different to a pub where you get a couple of 100 people wanting drinks compared to a national event that hosts 7,000 people.
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Post by jerome29 on Apr 4, 2011 13:35:16 GMT
Each bar won't have 7,000 customers, plus what's the point of having Showsec ??
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 4, 2011 13:36:57 GMT
Not true Lee, like a pub they have the right to refuse someone drink. By the sounds of it this should of happened?? You have the right to refuse somebody drink but not the responsibilty to police how drunk people are. If a steward notices somebody who they deem to be too intoxicated for the safety of themselves and others in the arena then they should be asked to leave. The problem/great thing is generally hockey fans are well behaved drunks so that would be an absolute rareity but leaves the staff open for criticism on the odd time things go badly. It's a difficult one but at the end of the day this needs to be made an example of, the aggressor in this situation needs to be given some sort of punishment whether it be banning one season, five games or the next five PO weekends. Letting nasty incidents like this one go will only increase the chances of future incidents. When I was eighteen, much younger and much stupider I was goaded by a fellow Panthers fan who had barged into me. Being the rather short tempered person I can sometimes be I went to seek a little retribution only to remind myself that I'd paid several hundred quid for a season ticket and more than likely wouldn't get any use out of it if I was to do what my brain had quickly planned. The no violence culture of British ice hockey supporters does keep people in check most of the time and it's something that needs to be preserved.
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Post by lee on Apr 4, 2011 13:38:04 GMT
Not true Lee, like a pub they have the right to refuse someone drink. By the sounds of it this should of happened?? who's to say he was going to the bar himself to get them? plus having the RIGHT to refuse does not make them RESPONSIBLE for his actions.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 4, 2011 13:41:10 GMT
I think the people who are wanting this man to be banned for life, is a little extreme. I think a 3 strikes and your banned would be a better/fairer example. As for the youngsters who were upset, about this fight, well they're at an Ice Hockey game, where fights can break out. As for the people saying why not check the ticket sales, maybe harder than you think maybe this person bought a ticket from someone who had bought the tickets and couldn't go, could the police look at the persons details? due to the data protection act? I'm sorry mate but youngsters being upset at grown men attempting to fight around them is perfectly understandable. Most of us love a great fight on the ice but seeing blokes fighting around you in the stands is not entertainment or sport. As for the three strikes your out rule, no thanks. How about one incident and the aggressor gets a season ban, if he ever finds himself in a similar situation afterwards then a full permanent ban from the arena. Panthers/EIHL/NIC should work together to hold a completely zero tolerance stance to violence amongst supporters at hockey games.
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Post by lee on Apr 4, 2011 13:47:10 GMT
zero tolerance for me, one strike and don't come back ever again, the arena will be a better place without idiots like this.
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Post by Pies on Apr 4, 2011 13:47:37 GMT
One of the things I rave to people about hockey is the fact that we can get people from all over the UK and have a massive weekend of hockey, partying, singing and fun without the worry of it becoming loutish. When select people try to ruin that, then I dont want them there and they don't deserve any more chances.
Fighting on the ice is part and parcel of the game but not in the stands. Im not suprised kids were upset. Fact is, someone completly innocent could have got hurt and theres absoluty no need.
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Post by sanjosefan on Apr 4, 2011 13:59:35 GMT
I think the people who are wanting this man to be banned for life, is a little extreme. I think a 3 strikes and your banned would be a better/fairer example. As for the youngsters who were upset, about this fight, well they're at an Ice Hockey game, where fights can break out. As for the people saying why not check the ticket sales, maybe harder than you think maybe this person bought a ticket from someone who had bought the tickets and couldn't go, could the police look at the persons details? due to the data protection act? I'm sorry mate but youngsters being upset at grown men attempting to fight around them is perfectly understandable. Most of us love a great fight on the ice but seeing blokes fighting around you in the stands is not entertainment or sport. As for the three strikes your out rule, no thanks. How about one incident and the aggressor gets a season ban, if he ever finds himself in a similar situation afterwards then a full permanent ban from the arena. Panthers/EIHL/NIC should work together to hold a completely zero tolerance stance to violence amongst supporters at hockey games. For example per say. What happens if there are two 'gangs' that are at each others throats during a game how do you determine which 'gang' started the trouble, as the people who were been harassed to begin with may end up with an unjust ban. Also one game around four years ago, some Coventry fans were harrassing my mate and I, so threatened to knock one of them out should I be banned?
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Post by focus12 on Apr 4, 2011 14:07:11 GMT
Zero Tolerance? YES
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 4, 2011 14:11:56 GMT
I'm sorry mate but youngsters being upset at grown men attempting to fight around them is perfectly understandable. Most of us love a great fight on the ice but seeing blokes fighting around you in the stands is not entertainment or sport. As for the three strikes your out rule, no thanks. How about one incident and the aggressor gets a season ban, if he ever finds himself in a similar situation afterwards then a full permanent ban from the arena. Panthers/EIHL/NIC should work together to hold a completely zero tolerance stance to violence amongst supporters at hockey games. For example per say. What happens if there are two 'gangs' that are at each others throats during a game how do you determine which 'gang' started the trouble, as the people who were been harassed to begin with may end up with an unjust ban. Also one game around four years ago, some Coventry fans were harrassing my mate and I, so threatened to knock one of them out should I be banned? I'm certainly not saying it's a simple matter but like any incident the investigating authority would have to look at CCTV, witness statements etc The beauty of our sport is that this really is a rare event, so dealing with it should not be rushed but dealt with properly.
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Post by carolle on Apr 4, 2011 14:24:14 GMT
Its one thing threatening people but when people are physically injured..thats another matter
and thats what happened yesterday.
So yes they should be banned.
We don`t WANT or NEED that sort of thing in our sport, we are trying to bring people in ,not drive them away!!!
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Post by sanvid on Apr 4, 2011 15:02:22 GMT
I was right next to this fracas and I can tell you it was really frightening, and I am a mature person not a child. The lady next to me was pushed into the row in front. It could have been a terrible disaster. The argument was then carried on between the man in fancy dress and the people behind. The man in fancy dress had really lost it as had the people behind. We were being pushed all over and trying to stop ourselves from being pushed down onto the people in front. The show sec staff did not show up for some time and the man in fancy dress was not asked to leave as he was still there when we left.
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Post by jerome29 on Apr 4, 2011 15:11:52 GMT
The show sec staff did not show up for some time and the man in fancy dress was not asked to leave as he was still there when we left.
What's the point in having them??
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