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Post by Dan on Feb 10, 2011 22:01:32 GMT
Trying to liven this place up a bit! With the trade deadline approaching, it all seems to be kicking off early.
Anaheim acquire Beauchemin for Lupul, Gardiner and a conditional fourth. Bit of a meh deal, all about potential upside for the Leafs with Gardiner potentially being a good player and Lupul potentially returning to his Flyer form. Beauchemin hasn't been up to much for the Leafs though, so I guess they don't give up too much...
Fisher's gone to Nashville for a first and conditional pick. Bit of an overpayment by the Preds, seems to be a bit of a desperate move. They're talented at the back-end but are lacking up top. Fisher isn't the man to fix their problems, always flattered to deceive in my eyes.
Two former Flyers back in the league this week too. Emery signs with Anaheim and Forsberg back with the Avs. Wish them both the world of luck, but can't see it being worthwhile for either.
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Post by crazykeeper on Feb 10, 2011 23:26:46 GMT
The talk at the Caps is all about finding a second line center to try and get our scoring going, Johansson and Perreault haven't been great and niether of them is ready for that 2nd line spot just yet, too inconsistent.
The idea of getting a veteran goalie in has died down at long last as people are realising that our problem this year is upfront (still feels wierd saying that about a Caps team!)
With Pott being injured NHL.com reckons there may be a move to bring in some more D as insurance if there is cap space to allow it.
Absolutly no idea who they will bring in but not making a move is going to hurt any chances for us to go deep in the playoffs unless the top line really catches fire.
As for Emery, hasn't he been assigned to the AHL? Might see him in the NHL if there are any injury problems with Hiller I suppose.
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Post by optimus on Feb 11, 2011 11:20:09 GMT
Versteeg is expected to be the next Leaf on the trading block, with Vancouver apparently interested in him.
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Post by rangers on Feb 11, 2011 12:43:57 GMT
Heard Gaborik might be available as Rangers make Cap space for Brad Richards in the summer. Gabby not had the best of seasons, so could be possible...
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Post by optimus on Feb 11, 2011 12:58:19 GMT
Heard Gaborik might be available as Rangers make Cap space for Brad Richards in the summer. Gabby not had the best of seasons, so could be possible... I'd love him on the Leafs, but we need a centre, which isn't going to happen. Burke has said Kaberle will have more luck getting the deal he wants from another team as there's too much $$$ committed to our blue line, meaning he walks as UFA come July.
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Post by Dan on Feb 11, 2011 13:24:36 GMT
I don't think the Leafs need Gaborik, he's quite similar to Kessel.
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Post by pantherdman on Feb 11, 2011 14:22:12 GMT
Kaberle to Boston has been on the cards for donkeys, tried to get him in the Kessel trade (which just keeps getting better and better)
Just depends if coach Julien still needs him?
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Post by optimus on Feb 11, 2011 15:24:53 GMT
I don't think the Leafs need Gaborik, he's quite similar to Kessel. Kessel needs a centre man to give him the puck; Bozak isn't ready yet and will never become a first line centre man. Gaborik, Kessel & Richards would fantastic as a top line, but Richards isn't going to sign in T.O. and we aren't going after Gaborik anyway.
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Post by Dan on Feb 11, 2011 15:45:48 GMT
Is Richards a definite no-no? I'm sure I read somewhere about him being a Leafs fan?
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Post by optimus on Feb 11, 2011 16:18:37 GMT
Is Richards a definite no-no? I'm sure I read somewhere about him being a Leafs fan? He has to do what is best for his career and the contract will be his last hurrah. He'd be just what Toronto needs but I wouldn't sign with us lol
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Post by pantherinmanc on Feb 11, 2011 16:48:37 GMT
Is Richards a definite no-no? I'm sure I read somewhere about him being a Leafs fan? He has to do what is best for his career and the contract will be his last hurrah. He'd be just what Toronto needs but I wouldn't sign with us lol If he's a Toronto fan then where better to have your swansong? I think he could transform that Kessell line. Kessell worked his socks off last night and his assist on the goal had a bit of everything, skill, tenacity, belief. It's all very well everyone getting on his back but you can't sign a workman then deny him access to his tools, he needs a top centre.
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Post by optimus on Feb 11, 2011 17:33:19 GMT
Yes certain folks, the same ones who claimed Kessel couldn't score without Savard, ignore the fact he doesn't have any decent centre men to play alongside. It always easy to manipulate and ignore facts to suit one's own agenda.
Still, it's hardly surprising when certain posters act like scorned lovers.
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Post by pantherdman on Feb 11, 2011 21:15:41 GMT
Don't worry, i'm sure Kessel will come good.
I'm following the leaves closely, don't we still have your 1st round pick to cash in?
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Post by Dan on Feb 11, 2011 23:24:10 GMT
Yes you do indeed. Worst trade ever.
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Post by optimus on Feb 11, 2011 23:48:53 GMT
Yes you do indeed. Worst trade ever. Lol that's rich considering Philadelphia traded for Oates in 2002 and gave up a 1st, 2nd, 3rd draft pick and goalie prospect Max Quellet for an amazing return of 14 regular season & 5 play off games.
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Post by Dan on Feb 12, 2011 4:26:18 GMT
I'm merely going on historical records here, but it doesn't seem as though the Oates deal was a great move by any means. However, they were late round picks in a poor draft year who ended up being Martin Vagner, Maxime Daigneault and Derek Krestanovich.
No, i've never heard of them either, that's probably because they managed a grand total of 0 NHL appearances between them. Not even close to being a candidate for worst trade ever, probably wouldn't end up being the worst of that season.
Meanwhile (as i'm sure you need reminding), Toronto gave up the 2nd overall, the 32nd overall and what is currently the 5th overall for an often-anonymous, overweight and only-slightly-above mediocre winger whose points totals are falling year on year from his modest career high of 60. He also sounds off at his coach to the media, top guy you've got there! Well worth selling the family silver for.
Maybe 'worst trade ever' is a slight exaggeration, but it's definitely up there.
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Post by optimus on Feb 12, 2011 10:29:49 GMT
You are one for over dramatising things aren't you & you make out that Toronto will never have a first rounder again. Burke over estimated what he had in adding Kessel, Komisarek & Beauchemin two seasons ago & the trade affects his reputation as a GM, nor mine or any other Toronto fan.
I understand why he made the deal, just as I understand why Philadelphia traded for Eric Lindros, which was a trade that ripped a hole in their organisation.
If he had the ability to look into the future, and known Toronto would have finished 29th, he wouldn't of made the deal. Knowing how their respective careers turned out, would you have traded Forsberg for Lindros? I doubt it and Buffalo would never have traded us Andreychuk for Fuhr, Calgary would never had traded Gilmour.
Trades are never 100% but by adding Jake Gardiner, he at least makes up (slightly) for his error. Gardiner & Schenn from the first round 2008 & Kadri in 2009 are a good starting point for proper rebuild (again) lol.
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Post by Dan on Feb 12, 2011 13:49:29 GMT
I see the comparisons with the Lindros deal, but at least in Lindros we received a player who was in the top 3 in the league - if not #1.
I just think that a team in rebuilding phase such as Toronto shouldn't be wafting away their first rounders for mediocre players. Burke can't have thought that you'd be anything other than a top 10 pick in either year surely?
I quite like Kadri though. Your NCAA signings are fairly solid too.
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Post by optimus on Feb 12, 2011 14:18:20 GMT
I think the criticism of the Kessel deal is fair on it's own, but in he context of adding Komisarek & Beauchemin and the signings of Gustvasson and Co I think it makes sense as what Burke was trying to achieve.
Hasn't worked out though.
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Post by Dan on Feb 14, 2011 23:30:44 GMT
Flyers acquire Kris Versteeg from the Leafs for a first and a third.
Teams who've done well out of this trade:
1) Philadelphia 2) Boston 3) Toronto
Shallow draft, presumably late picks, but a good move for Toronto still.
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Post by optimus on Feb 15, 2011 1:25:22 GMT
I saw the rumour earlier today, disappointed he's gone as I really liked Versteeg but the return is a good one. I can look forward to draft day now lol
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Post by pantherinmanc on Feb 15, 2011 12:03:52 GMT
I still feel Toronto need to keep trading to get higher up the draft. What's that 1st rounder going to be, 27th-30th overall? We need/want a top 10 pick.
Lots of rumours that Kaberle has waived his NTC and a deal within the next 48-72 hours is on the cards. That could bring some hefty returns.
Could be a long end to the season in Toronto though!
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Post by optimus on Feb 15, 2011 21:50:52 GMT
Leafs & Bruins talking regarding Kaberle, as Boston are the only other team he's prepared to play for.
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Post by optimus on Feb 16, 2011 12:12:03 GMT
Bruins acquire Chris Kelly from the Sens in return for Boston's 2nd rounder in 2011. Chiarelli states they're looking at a defenseman and Cam Neely states Boston are "close" to making a deal.
Rumours claim it's Kaberle to Boston in return for Wheeler and a prospect/pick.
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Post by Dan on Feb 16, 2011 15:47:40 GMT
Boston overpaid for Kelly, he's the epitome of average.
Seems like they're going to underpay for Kaberle though, UFA or not.
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