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Post by PeteW on Nov 12, 2006 17:57:55 GMT
It might not be much consolation but I think Ellis is a good coach and is just going through a bad spell, he still worries me as a Steeler, by which I mean I think he might bring you sucess in the not too distant future. After all, back in the inaugral EIHL season in 03/04 the Steelers, under the then "superhuman" Blaiser, lost 5 games in a row (well 6 if you ignore a crossover game and include the subsequent OT Loss to the Panthers) but eventually went on to win the League. I know the likes of Belfast and Coventry are stronger these days but your chances of making a comeback into the title race are still good. I guesss we'll see after your next game! Depends on whether we stick to the wage cap or not
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Post by thisiswhere on Nov 12, 2006 18:06:06 GMT
Give lucy a break texpef, i read the posts this morning and it said exactly the same then as it does now, i then read your post and went back to check lucy's as i remember agreeing with what she said about ellis giving 100% and some players not doing likewise.I then checked to see if she edited but at that pointed she hadnt. So give her a break just cos you misread it.
I also have to agree with Gazza, at no point have we ever been promised success, what kind of team would make such a bold and cocky statement??? I dont think the panthers ever make such statements about having the best team on paper, such comments originate from here and the NEP.
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Post by newham on Nov 12, 2006 18:20:24 GMT
Gazza, every year we get 'we've got the best team in the league this year, it's our year' and every year we cockerel up in November. Well quite frankly, if what you say is true, why do you believe what is written blah blah blah? I stopped believing it a long while ago, but i was stupid enough to believe this team could win something earlier. I learnt my lesson! not everyone on this forum thinks like Newham Gazza, No, some people seem to be quite happy with mediocrity and i don't understand why for the life of me
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Post by PeteW on Nov 12, 2006 18:22:41 GMT
Gazza, every year we get 'we've got the best team in the league this year, it's our year' and every year we cockerel up in November. Well quite frankly, if what you say is true, why do you believe what is written blah blah blah? Well I personally like to see what we have signed play in a game or two before I make a judgment. This year the first game I saw was the 2-1 win over Manchester, I wasn't too convinced. The goalie looked good with his stick behind the net, but could he actually catch the puck?. Krajicek looked the business, but the much trumpeted Neilson still needed to impress along with all the import forwards. Then I watched the 4-2 win over the Devils. Nobody stood out, but it was a decent result. Next followed another 4-2 win this time over the Giants, but I thought that for long periods in the game we were outplayed and were damned lucky. Without David Clarke having one of those occasional stand-out games we would have lost. Nothing has happened to change my view for the better to date. Since the Continental Cup I've seen us outskated and/or outskilled by the Edinburgh Caps at the NIC. Consequently I didn't bother going to what turned out to be an abject 3-0 loss at home to the Stingrays. Nor did I bother going to either Steeler games. I'm appalled that we have no specialist centres or play-making forwards. What we have is a crash and bang, poor CHL team, playing on large ice surfaces. What we have just doesn't make the grade IMO. But then that's just my opinion, which we are all entitled to of course Consequently Nottingham Panthers IHC will be seeing a lot less of my money this year than they have been lucky enough to have access to in the past 25 years.
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Post by Chickun on Nov 12, 2006 21:36:20 GMT
Well it doesn't matter now does it? We're out of the cup, not going to win the league, and at this rate may only scrape the play offs. How can you be sure of this dp? Yes, fair play, we're out of the cup but what's to say we're not going to win the league? We had our run of results at the start of the season and our slump now. Maybe this is Belfast's decent run of results and they're going to slump in the next month or so, or Coventry or any other team for that matter. All I'm saying is, you can't really write anyone off yet especially this early on in the season. So give it time will ya?
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Post by andyd on Nov 12, 2006 21:38:22 GMT
Chickun...I'm in a different country and even I know your post is wishful thinking, do you honestly believe we still have a shot at the league title mired in the mess we're in (regardless of winning today)?
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Post by Kadie on Nov 12, 2006 21:42:25 GMT
As far as I'm concerned it's not over till it's over (0.2 seconds on the clock has proved that to me)...so I'm sorry if I'm classed as a 'happy clapper' (which I don't believe I am!) but until this seasons over & we know the results, I don't feel it's fair to pass judgement on Ellis' capability of being a coach! Some may say 'by then it's too late' but to be fair I honestly don't think changing the coach would do us any good in the middle of a season.
Give the guy a chance, for crying out loud give him a season at least!
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Post by Rob #12 on Nov 12, 2006 21:49:53 GMT
As far as I'm concerned it's not over till it's over (0.2 seconds on the clock has proved that to me)...so I'm sorry if I'm classed as a 'happy clapper' (which I don't believe I am!) but until this seasons over & we know the results, I don't feel it's fair to pass judgement on Ellis' capability of being a coach! Some may say 'by then it's too late' but to be fair I honestly don't think changing the coach would do us any good in the middle of a season. Give the guy a chance, for crying out loud give him a season at least! Funny that, I remember at the start of the season most negative fans on here were saying even then they wouldn't expect anything in the first season under Ellis. That he was good enough to be given a season at least. Peeps calling for his head = Crazy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2006 21:51:51 GMT
some people seem to be quite happy with mediocrity and i don't understand why for the life of me ".....it cannot be denied that Paul Adey's outfit was the most attractive in the Elite League. At a time of change when the pessimists were predicting poor hockey and unattractive play, Adey and the team's management must take credit for putting a virtually new team together" - Ice Hockey Annual 2004-05 As the saying goes, 'funny how we all see a different game, ain't it'.
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Post by newham on Nov 12, 2006 22:02:13 GMT
Stef, i commend your steadfast defence of Adey and his sides but the truth was that we were a mediocre side that won one trophy in 4 years out of the 16 or so available.
You read the opinion of a man, i read the facts. Sad as it may be, we have been a mediocre, average side for years now yet some people are happy with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2006 22:10:59 GMT
Chickun...I'm in a different country and even I know your post is wishful thinking, do you honestly believe we still have a shot at the league title mired in the mess we're in (regardless of winning today)? 1994/95 - Panthers went 21 games unbeaten from the start of the season. We had the league sewn up by Christmas, only we ended up in a winner-takes-all match in Nottingham on 25 March against a Sheffield team that had come from no-where. We were 5-2 up after 26 minutes, but lost the game 8-6, and with it the league. It's only 12 November. There's a lot of water to go under the bridge yet.....
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Post by Chickun on Nov 12, 2006 22:17:11 GMT
Chickun...I'm in a different country and even I know your post is wishful thinking, do you honestly believe we still have a shot at the league title mired in the mess we're in (regardless of winning today)? Yes I do. I may be mistaken but isn't there only 9 points between Belfast and ourselves? and don't we have two games in hand? As some have posted before, confidence may mean lots to our team, and with a couple of wins under our belts, the ball may start rolling again. Maybe my post is wishful thinking but I still firmly belive that you cannot write off a team (In our league position and our players) this early on in the season.
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Post by andyd on Nov 12, 2006 22:27:30 GMT
Chickun...I'm in a different country and even I know your post is wishful thinking, do you honestly believe we still have a shot at the league title mired in the mess we're in (regardless of winning today)? 1994/95 - Panthers went 21 games unbeaten from the start of the season. We had the league sewn up by Christmas, only we ended up in a winner-takes-all match in Nottingham on 25 March against a Sheffield team that had come from no-where. We were 5-2 up after 26 minutes, but lost the game 8-6, and with it the league. It's only 12 November. There's a lot of water to go under the bridge yet..... Stef. You had to didn't you. You just couldn't stop yourself. The darkest hour (playing wise) of being a Panthers fan in the last 15 years and you have to go and bring it up! The difference is that that was a team imploding coming up to the line, in this case we aren't that team we're the ones doing the catching and from what everyone says the rut we've hit is not something a couple of wins will fix...it's partly to do with us being pretty much a one trick pony which others have now figured out. Chickun, you're right, in the sense that numbers wise we are still very much in the hunt and it's still not even the halfway point of the season. But what worries me is the fact we aren't having a rough stretch and not getting the bounces we're playing poorly and failing which is not the mark of a team merely having their "rough spell".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2006 22:29:59 GMT
Stef, i commend your steadfast defence of Adey and his sides but the truth was that we were a mediocre side that won one trophy in 4 years out of the 16 or so available. You read the opinion of a man, i read the facts. Sad as it may be, we have been a mediocre, average side for years now yet some people are happy with it. At the risk of labouring a point, I think it would be better if, in your post above, you substituted the words "the truth was that" with "in my opinion". You could also do with adding that to your second paragraph at some point. As far as reading facts is concerned, I have already posted some facts earlier this evening about our defensive record under Paul Adey which appeared to catch you on the hop. Believe me, I'd much rather be watching The Two Towers on telly (the Battle of Helms Deep will get me in the mood for next Saturday ) but I don't think it fair that you continue to present your opinions as 'facts'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2006 22:32:24 GMT
You had to didn't you. You just couldn't stop yourself. Soz mate. It's just that I'm trying to get my posts up to 500.
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Post by Chickun on Nov 12, 2006 22:37:10 GMT
1994/95 - Panthers went 21 games unbeaten from the start of the season. We had the league sewn up by Christmas, only we ended up in a winner-takes-all match in Nottingham on 25 March against a Sheffield team that had come from no-where. We were 5-2 up after 26 minutes, but lost the game 8-6, and with it the league. It's only 12 November. There's a lot of water to go under the bridge yet..... Chickun, you're right, in the sense that numbers wise we are still very much in the hunt and it's still not even the halfway point of the season. But what worries me is the fact we aren't having a rough stretch and not getting the bounces we're playing poorly and failing which is not the mark of a team merely having their "rough spell". Fair enough and I see your point, but I think it's a bit of both at the moment IMO. If Ellis and Calle can figure out what the current problem with the team is and with the right bounces. I still think there is every chance of us coming back to take the league title from the leaders.
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Post by LUFC on Nov 12, 2006 23:16:49 GMT
Wow just WOW.......bet now the winning has started up again your all going to butt kiss Ellis.....shame on you all ever team and every coach has a bad patch and have troubles at some point, ours has now been and hopefully gone, so lets stop all the axe weilding and just get behind the team that needs our support!
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Post by KimThePanther on Nov 12, 2006 23:28:05 GMT
Chickun...I'm in a different country and even I know your post is wishful thinking, do you honestly believe we still have a shot at the league title mired in the mess we're in (regardless of winning today)? 1994/95 - Panthers went 21 games unbeaten from the start of the season. We had the league sewn up by Christmas, only we ended up in a winner-takes-all match in Nottingham on 25 March against a Sheffield team that had come from no-where. We were 5-2 up after 26 minutes, but lost the game 8-6, and with it the league. It's only 12 November. There's a lot of water to go under the bridge yet..... If any of you newer fans have been feeling low after recent events, count your lucky stars you weren't present to witness this horrendous evening. One of the few occasions when I've actually cried at a sporting event.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 12, 2006 23:46:21 GMT
As unlikely as it may seem, any team could still win the league... yes, even those sitting at the bottom of the table. We're not at the bottom of the table, are we?
I still remember my first season watching this sport.... the 1999-2000 season, the last year in the old rink. Remember who won the league that year? - Bracknell. Nobody saw that one coming.... I mean NOBODY. It came out of nowhere. So please... let's not be so sure about who can and cannot win the league. It's all possibles and maybes and I-don't-knows.
Oh - and can people PLEASE ditch this incessant and incredibly irritating 'anyone who isn't howling for blood at mediocre performances is obviously happy about it' guff? Is anybody happy? Do we see lots of smiling happy faces? Ball-cocks do we.
This 'Happy Clappers' label is a load of crap. Different people have different ideas as to what may or may not be the solution... and just because someone doesn't share another person's more extreme views doesn't mean that they're wishy-washy, 'happy with failure' or a happy bloody clapper.
Get real, people.
Rant over, good night.
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Post by LUFC on Nov 12, 2006 23:55:30 GMT
if thats reference to me my response is, I go for the Hockey and to watch a team i like play, sure i want to see them win asnd be entertained but at the end of the day i go to see a hockey match win or lose i see a hockey match so im happy in that sense.
Winning is great and i want nothing more than our team to be winning but im one of these people that hold back till the last minute in sport before deciding to help tip the tide. I dont jump onto the back of players or coaches as soon as they hit a bad spell of games, performances and results.
We didnt slip too far down the table, we dropped alot of points we may rue at the end of the league, but like you said anyone can still win this league so bad run or not be happy we are in 3rd and still have a chance at all but the challenge cup.
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Post by MP on Nov 13, 2006 0:00:30 GMT
Funny that, I remember at the start of the season most negative fans on here were saying even then they wouldn't expect anything in the first season under Ellis. That he was good enough to be given a season at least. Peeps calling for his head = Crazy Yep - quite right Rob. Quite a few of us said Mike Ellis would probably need two seasons to win something for us. The euphoria of the spectacular start to the season has raised our expectations unreasonably. Being realistic, there is only the Play-off final to aim for now this season and Mike has some serious problems to sort out before there's any chance of that happening. If Mike can sort out the current malaise one way or another and get the team playing passionate, exciting hockey again, then the season is far from lost. Take some consolation in thinking of the agony that the "doom and gloom merchants" went through in those opening weeks of the season - absolutely nothing to moan about - must have been torture! Goodness only knows what they'd do if we finally win the league.....
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Post by roygbiv on Nov 13, 2006 7:21:22 GMT
Well quite frankly, if what you say is true, why do you believe what is written blah blah blah? I stopped believing it a long while ago, but i was stupid enough to believe this team could win something earlier. I learnt my lesson! Well, serves you right then doesn't it!
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Post by Lucy on Nov 13, 2006 8:55:46 GMT
This thread is going along the lines of 'Enough is Enough' and developing into petty argument.
Back on topic, I certainly think Ellis is the man for the job. Most other posters think Ellis is the man for the job. We've ended that losing streak.
Thread closed.
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