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Post by Doughnut on Nov 9, 2006 17:23:22 GMT
and over the year i very much doubt enough bands visit to top the yearly attendence of panthers fans... Easily I reckon. Probably even double the attendance. Just take a look at all the stuff that's on this list and many more will be added. Then when you take into account that the tickets cost double what the hockey tickets cost ...
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Barney
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Post by Barney on Nov 9, 2006 17:48:25 GMT
Oh my goodness! You lot are terrible! I know I won't be saying anything fresh here but you all love to speculate without even considering the FACTS. You seem to live off the rumours and stuff and I think you all need to get over it! You always have a go at the NIC about changes to fixtures but that initial fixture list does say provisional or subject to change or whatever so expect changes! If Panthers paid the money to secure their fixtures at the Arena then there wouldn't be these changes but no the Panthers don't pay for fixture security and so the Arena are bound to take on concerts that will bring in perhaps 5 or 10 times or even more revenue than that of a Panthers match. To be honest, I don't mind when we play, the more Sundays the better as far as I am concerned but I do wish everyone would stop whinging about fixture changes it's not as if it's been randomly dropped on us with very little notice, it's four months away!!! Rant over, and I'm sorry for that outburst!
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Post by Barney on Nov 9, 2006 17:51:17 GMT
Oh and as well the Sport England thing is a bursary type thing (I think) with a contract of providing so many hours per week of each ice sport so I think you'll find the NIC has no choice but to meet that contract criteria and will have no way of avioding it but I'm unsure as to whether the Panthers fall into that! The arena bowl is classed as Nottingham Arena, public skating falls under the NIC so go figure which the Panthers play out of. . .
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Post by texpef on Nov 9, 2006 20:56:44 GMT
Nat just a couple of points here to correct your "facts" Subject to change is there for legal reasons, if you read your concert ticket in fact any ticket it says the same panthers are no different here doesnt mean its carte blanche for NIC to change the fixtures at will no matter how much notice is given and the point here is not that they are moving the fixture but they are moving it from a sat to another day. 2. According to NB and i heard this from his mouth the panthers organisation DO indeed pay a bond BUT the NIC will NOT guarantee dates, they will just guarantee ice time at some point during the season for the fixtures.. and finally 3. if you want to watch hockey on a sunday think you will find coventry or sheffield have their hockey night then....
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Post by andyd on Nov 9, 2006 21:49:22 GMT
i still refer back to the time of construction where it was announced a NATIONAL ICE CENTRE not a concert tour drop off point. It was sold to the city as the new home of the panthers and a state of the art facility to take part in ice sports and was PAID for on the back of this. Tex, sorry dude but that view is the view of a Panthers fan hearing what they want to hear. I'm not having a go but the Arena was definitely built as a multi use centre with a Sport England contract to cater for ice sports. It's natural that we as Panthers fans got most excited about it being our new home but the simple fact is that was the bit that grabbed our attention, the overall basis was far broarder. The Sport England contract is fulfiled in it's entireity by the huge number of hours devoted to every ice sport you could care to imagine through the week. The local professional ice hockey team are merely a commercial tenant and if they ceased to exist or the NIC booted them out the Arena would STILL comfortably fulfil their licence requirements with Sport England from other ice sports and all the junior hockey they provide. Put simply our club are just another commercial customer like any concert tour operator, it's the ice sport development stuff that is the venue's required food and drink NOT an independant professional hockey club. I know it's kind of irrelevant but the fact the opening night event for the National Ice Centre/Nottingham Arena was a Simply Red gig (I'm ashamed to admit I was there!) and not an ice event speaks volumes.
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Post by grumpyminer on Nov 9, 2006 21:54:52 GMT
Circles.... Round and round.....This thread.....
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MP
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Post by MP on Nov 10, 2006 0:29:31 GMT
Tex....... you'll argue black is white till you're blue in the face but it won't change anything. If you want Panthers playing hockey every Saturday night the you'd best raise the finance and build them a dedicated facility - it's the only way it will happen. Then you can appoint your own coach and win the league whilst you're at it - and be thoroughly miserable then, as you'll have nothing to complain about!
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Post by texpef on Nov 10, 2006 9:34:19 GMT
cheers MP will stick it on my to do list....
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Post by spik on Nov 10, 2006 10:13:00 GMT
Not suggesting 'who' should build a new hockey home.Just saying that I'd go to it. The Arena is nice but I'm happy to move for hockeys sake. Whoever would own it.
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Post by newham on Nov 10, 2006 11:50:17 GMT
and one final point here, who really thinks that a concert by in this case faithless would not be any less a sellout on monday-friday as compared to a saturday? And then it would inconvenience no one wouldnt it?.... They will be playing somewhere else on the Monday to the Friday. They can't completely re-arrange their tour because we kinda want the ice.
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Post by newham on Nov 10, 2006 11:51:31 GMT
and one final point here, who really thinks that a concert by in this case faithless would not be any less a sellout on monday-friday as compared to a saturday? And then it would inconvenience no one wouldnt it?.... Me. I've been to many many concerts at the arena. Hardly any of them are true sell-outs. Elton John, Tom Jones and Green Day have been the only ones from the last couple of years that I can think of off the top of my head I think The White Stripes, Franz Ferdinand and Manic Street Preachers came close. Muse is (aparrantly) sold out. But I bet they release more tickets before the 17th, and I bet they don't fill the place to the extent that Elton John and Tom Jones did. Nowadays, most of them sell out. The marketing and promotion wasn't very good when the arena opened but they're infinitely better nowadays. I'd say most of them will have sold out now. I know Muse has for sure.
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Post by newham on Nov 10, 2006 11:54:25 GMT
Oh and newham put another way why dont we have a right to watch panthers on a saturday as that is the day that has been designated hockey night since their reformation in the very early 80's.... I don't even know where to start with that one. That isn't a right, it's a privilege. All i'd say is stop being so selfish. The arena is there for everyone and just because you and i have been watching hockey there for years doesn't give us a god-given right to kick everyone else out on a Saturday (the busiest night of the week for an arena). Personally, i'm amazed we have as many Saturday games as we do. Just be appreciative we have a nice arena, plenty of home Sat games still and no threat of going out of business over our head.
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Post by sunbeam on Nov 10, 2006 13:18:03 GMT
Would this thread have happened if the fixs had been moved TO a Saturday from other nights? Or are people just complaining because the fixtures are being moved from a Saturday?
Panthers fans should consider themselves lucky. What would happen if all the other teams decided that Saturday was their 'hockey night'? Suddenly Panthers would be spending the majority of their Saturdays on-the-road.
14 Saturday nights at the NIC is about as good as any Panthers fan can reasonably hope for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2006 16:08:47 GMT
It maybe called the national ICE centre but thats basically because it has ice inside it, not necessarily making ice sports a priority. And where did the major part of the money for the NIC come from.. SPORT ENGLAND. I`m sure when they gave Nottingham the money for the NIC it was it be used with priority on ice sports. Yes Sport England funded the majority and rest was stumped up by the lottery and Notts council Either way the Panthers rent the arena on certain dates in the NIC, the NIC aim was recoup the £40 million which was borrowed, and by hosting top acts at £500k a time goes along way compared to £50,000 a night for having the panthers occupying it.
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