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Post by Shaggy on Nov 7, 2006 13:18:03 GMT
Wasnt it you yourself that said you had spoken to mike Ellis and Tessier didnt meet his check list for what he wanted in a player? I'm sure it was so Who's to say Tessier wouldnt have come back to make amends for leaving if he had been given the chance? Yep, Mike Ellis did indeed say that - and he said exactly why Tessier didn't meet his criteria. Loyalty. Mike Ellis prizes loyalty in players. Tessier proved that he has none. That means he doesn't meet the criteria that Mike Ellis wants in a player. Nice to see that the Panthers coach thinks the same way I do! ;D On the contrary - I think it sends out a very good message... "If you'll stick by us, we'll stick by you. If you're going to naff off at the slightest hint of more dosh, don't even bother to apply." Now I would imagine that quite a few players would respect that attitude... but even if they don't - that's the right message to send out from a team point of view. You play for the team and you stick with the team - or you don't even get on the team. Suits me...
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 7, 2006 13:33:56 GMT
If i was trolling you would know about it Neah, if you were trolling, you'd know about it
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Post by gazzathedevil on Nov 7, 2006 13:37:52 GMT
Just a note on Ulmer when he left us he went to the Finnish elite league to Lukko Rauma, it was the off season where he was picked up by the colorado avalanche. This year i believe he is playing in the DEL for the hamburg Freezers.
Another player also comes to mind is Travis Brigley who played 15 games for us in the ISL and then left of his own free will, but i believe his stay was not temporary although my memory is sketchy of that. He then went on to play proper NHL games for Colorado avalanche a few seasons later. Come to think of it i think we are Colorado's farm team ;D
Shaggy if you believe that any Panthers player currently on that roster wouldnt up sticks and leave at the sight of more money and a better league then i believe you are naive sir, any player wants to better themselves and try making it in a higher league, new culture etc, Thats the whole reason Tessier came back to britain was he didnt enjoy the culture in Switzerland and the language barriers.
I just dont buy this stabbing in the back bussiness, he done what he felt was right for his career just like any of us would. But under the employment of the panthers he done right by you fans, thats the part i take great umbridge with when fans boo him on the ice and leave fake 20's on his car. Not the act itself the reasoning behind it
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Post by NYR on Nov 7, 2006 14:53:44 GMT
I was also in Hooters on Saturday night and he spent most of the night talking to us and telling the story from his side, which although it could of been wrong i thought it sounded genuine, especially when Scott told us his side too. I wont boo the guy but i was a Tessier fan, and im glad too see him back in the league only when it isnt at our expense like Saturday.
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Post by cc77 on Nov 7, 2006 15:05:07 GMT
since when have you been allowed to call me Dawn?
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Post by mapleleafs on Nov 7, 2006 19:44:29 GMT
all this moaning im thinking of becoming a steelers fan instead!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2006 20:11:56 GMT
.....Paul Adey in a Teal & Orange shirt..... Mods! Offensive language being used here!
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Post by Stewart on Nov 7, 2006 21:42:43 GMT
You know in Cardiff we clap our players back to the barn regardless of how they left, because at some point in their career, they gave their all for the Cardiff shirt. Something Tess certainly did, now you can say what you want about Tess but when he was a panther he gave it his all as his points suggest. Doesnt sit right with me at all I don't mean to sound patronising here Gazza but as an 'outsider' of the Nottingham/Sheffield rivalry I don't think you're quite able to appreciate the strength of feeling that many of our fans hold towards that team and what a sour taste a former playing moving to them will leave those fans with. Personally Tess going to them didn't leave me feeling hurt rather hacked off that they were getting such a fantastic player but I know how some fans will feel having seen some of my own favourites such as Selmar Odelein, Derek Laxdal and Chris Kelland being tempted away to them and the sight of Paul Adey in a Teal & Orange shirt still mortifies me today. Quite simply he should have expected the stick he's been getting from us when he signed for them. Yeah that's true. I mean look at Paul Adey he gave how many years loyal service to Nottingham, then he came to Sheffield and was boo'd by (a section of) the Nottingham fans! The same went for Scott Allison in reverse. I do agree that on the ice players should expect to get stick when they change clubs, though I think in Sheffield we have it about right. Returning players get applauded for their past efforts at the opening line up and then it's business as usual. But while they should expect the stick on the ice should that extend off the ice? Not in my opinion, after all it's only a game!
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Post by Stewart on Nov 7, 2006 21:54:09 GMT
my point was that he messed up their season as tess did ours, however as stated he left by mutual consent and so all parties were happy Tess signed an agreement to stay a year so there was no plans put in place prior to him leaving and to say it completely undermined our year is no exageration...even with certain players shortcomings.. But didn't Blaisdell actively encourage Tess to take the opportunity in Switzerland? That sounds pretty mutual to me! Hands up anyone on here who, if offered double(ish) their salary by a rival company wouldn't say "thank you when do I start?"
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Post by andyd on Nov 7, 2006 22:56:19 GMT
Shaggy if you believe that any Panthers player currently on that roster wouldnt up sticks and leave at the sight of more money and a better league then i believe you are naive sir, any player wants to better themselves and try making it in a higher league, new culture etc, Thats the whole reason Tessier came back to britain was he didnt enjoy the culture in Switzerland and the language barriers. Absolutely Gazza, absolutley. The issue for me is that he went off to "further his career", as you know I was one of the few who backed him to the hilt at the time. The thing that galls me is his decision now to come back to England, come back to Sheffield no less AND sign a two year contract. The same guy who left to further his career returns to the same league to sign for our arch rivals, I'm sure he could have got himself a spot in the system back in the US if he wanted to really go for it in giving it one last push. Coming back is NOT furthering his career it's rubbing our faces into the ground, the same faces who cheered him off on his way to Switzerland in his last game in Black and Gold at your very own WNIR (RIP). For me the fact ME didn't want him is immaterial, it's the principle that he said he wished to further his career and then (presumably) took the yankee green over the US system, Sweden, Germany, Finland and Switzerland and is back in a league that last year he felt he could go above. My question to him would be "What changed?" and I'm angry at the way he seems to have done things.
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Post by Mark on Nov 7, 2006 22:57:45 GMT
Blaisdell shafting the Panthers, I don't believe it. I thought he did his utmost for us last season. He gave the club literally minutes of his precious time. Fair point about double the money, but equally Tessier cannot expect not to get hammered by Panthers fans. He did leave the club halfway through the season and then turns up at Sheffield the following season. Fair game in my opinion.
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Post by gazzathedevil on Nov 7, 2006 23:24:20 GMT
Shaggy if you believe that any Panthers player currently on that roster wouldnt up sticks and leave at the sight of more money and a better league then i believe you are naive sir, any player wants to better themselves and try making it in a higher league, new culture etc, Thats the whole reason Tessier came back to britain was he didnt enjoy the culture in Switzerland and the language barriers. Absolutely Gazza, absolutley. The issue for me is that he went off to "further his career", as you know I was one of the few who backed him to the hilt at the time. The thing that galls me is his decision now to come back to England, come back to Sheffield no less AND sign a two year contract. The same guy who left to further his career returns to the same league to sign for our arch rivals, I'm sure he could have got himself a spot in the system back in the US if he wanted to really go for it in giving it one last push. Coming back is NOT furthering his career it's rubbing our faces into the ground, the same faces who cheered him off on his way to Switzerland in his last game in Black and Gold at your very own WNIR (RIP). For me the fact ME didn't want him is immaterial, it's the principle that he said he wished to further his career and then (presumably) took the yankee green over the US system, Sweden, Germany, Finland and Switzerland and is back in a league that last year he felt he could go above. My question to him would be "What changed?" and I'm angry at the way he seems to have done things. Right i see where your coming from Andy however. He went to further himself in europe (more money i would assume) he didnt like the culture over in that part of Europe with the language difference. He decides to come back to britain your club didnt want him (your coach has said so) so what was he meant to do?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2006 23:29:17 GMT
Absolutely Gazza, absolutley. The issue for me is that he went off to "further his career", as you know I was one of the few who backed him to the hilt at the time. The thing that galls me is his decision now to come back to England, come back to Sheffield no less AND sign a two year contract. The same guy who left to further his career returns to the same league to sign for our arch rivals, I'm sure he could have got himself a spot in the system back in the US if he wanted to really go for it in giving it one last push. Coming back is NOT furthering his career it's rubbing our faces into the ground, the same faces who cheered him off on his way to Switzerland in his last game in Black and Gold at your very own WNIR (RIP). For me the fact ME didn't want him is immaterial, it's the principle that he said he wished to further his career and then (presumably) took the yankee green over the US system, Sweden, Germany, Finland and Switzerland and is back in a league that last year he felt he could go above. My question to him would be "What changed?" and I'm angry at the way he seems to have done things. Right i see where your coming from Andy however. He went to further himself in europe (more money i would assume) he didnt like the culture over in that part of Europe with the language difference. He decides to come back to britain your club didnt want him (your coach has said so) so what was he meant to do? Im sure they speak English in the united states? Theres a couple of minor leagues over there of a higher standard than this one
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Post by gazzathedevil on Nov 7, 2006 23:47:56 GMT
Right i see where your coming from Andy however. He went to further himself in europe (more money i would assume) he didnt like the culture over in that part of Europe with the language difference. He decides to come back to britain your club didnt want him (your coach has said so) so what was he meant to do? Im sure they speak English in the united states? Theres a couple of minor leagues over there of a higher standard than this one The thing about the minor leagues is, there are only very few Veteran slots that are taken up over there. For someone in Tessiers age bracket not many are going to be interested in him, he isnt going into coaching just yet and he isnt a prospect. Take into account the lesser schedule over here and the chance to play a different sort of hockey rather than busting his backside in North America for practically nothing then it was a no brainer to come back to Britain
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Post by andyd on Nov 8, 2006 0:18:10 GMT
Right i see where your coming from Andy however. He went to further himself in europe (more money i would assume) he didnt like the culture over in that part of Europe with the language difference. He decides to come back to britain your club didnt want him (your coach has said so) so what was he meant to do? Fair points Gazza. I don't buy the language stuff though, there are plenty of North Americans in Germany for example. As someone living in a different culture I appreciate the difficulties but when so many other North Americans are around it wouldn't be that big a deal. Scandanavia too...they speak better English than we do and have a smattering of NA's also. For me him coming back to England is a cop out and an insult to the Panthers fans.
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Post by gazzathedevil on Nov 8, 2006 0:36:18 GMT
Right i see where your coming from Andy however. He went to further himself in europe (more money i would assume) he didnt like the culture over in that part of Europe with the language difference. He decides to come back to britain your club didnt want him (your coach has said so) so what was he meant to do? Fair points Gazza. I don't buy the language stuff though, there are plenty of North Americans in Germany for example. As someone living in a different culture I appreciate the difficulties but when so many other North Americans are around it wouldn't be that big a deal. Scandanavia too...they speak better English than we do and have a smattering of NA's also. For me him coming back to England is a cop out and an insult to the Panthers fans. Well we shall agree to disagree on this matter Andy, i'll tell you what we'll discuss it more over a pint or two with you and a host of panther fans the first visit you guys make to our new barn which is so close know im beginning to feel cold just thinking about it ;D
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Post by andyd on Nov 8, 2006 3:38:50 GMT
Fair points Gazza. I don't buy the language stuff though, there are plenty of North Americans in Germany for example. As someone living in a different culture I appreciate the difficulties but when so many other North Americans are around it wouldn't be that big a deal. Scandanavia too...they speak better English than we do and have a smattering of NA's also. For me him coming back to England is a cop out and an insult to the Panthers fans. Well we shall agree to disagree on this matter Andy, i'll tell you what we'll discuss it more over a pint or two with you and a host of panther fans the first visit you guys make to our new barn which is so close know im beginning to feel cold just thinking about it ;D Sounds good to me Gazza! I don't feel like I disagree with you very often but I'll take this one as an agree to disagree moment!
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Post by Stoopy on Nov 8, 2006 7:42:12 GMT
You know in Cardiff we clap our players back to the barn regardless of how they left, because at some point in their career, they gave their all for the Cardiff shirt. Something Tess certainly did, now you can say what you want about Tess but when he was a panther he gave it his all as his points suggest. Doesnt sit right with me at all And if he'd stayed with us for the entire season then signed for someone else - even Sheffield - during the summer, there wouldn't be anywhere near as much antipathy towards him. But no... he had to go and naff off partway through the season, leaving us in the lurch. That's disloyalty... that's not 'giving it his all'. He showed us no loyalty - why should he receive any now? Personally, I couldn't give a toss that it was Sheffield he signed for... doing that to us and them coming back to the UK and signing for ANY other Elite League would be enough to condemn him in my eyes. I'm not wishing major injury on the man, but I would very much like to see Simoes or someone else check him so hard that he staggers off the ice not even knowing what day it is. A small bit of pay-back... We do welcome back ex-players, Gazza... just not ones that stabbed us in the back. Tessier belongs in the latter category. And this from someone who "skinned" Brett Clouthier for a hard hit. Double standards or what. Get over the Tess business, part of it is newspaper spin, another part is vindictive envy. Maybe Tess did not like the look of his circumstances surrounding his days at Nottingham, and identified Blaisdell's lack of interest and enthusiasm for the role of coach to the Panthers and left for reasons other than finance. Tess is one player, and if the Panthers are saying he made that big a difference to their seasons prospects by leaving, then blame the coach for having all his eggs in one basket. Time for everyone at Nottingham to "kiss and make up" with our little genius.
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Post by Ian on Nov 8, 2006 9:32:18 GMT
But didn't Blaisdell actively encourage Tess to take the opportunity in Switzerland? That sounds pretty mutual to me! Not so much mutual, more like a coach who didn't give a toss about the team that was paying his wages and advised a player to do exactly what he himself would have done - take the cash and run, regardless of whether it screws the club or not.
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Post by andyd on Nov 8, 2006 16:54:46 GMT
Tess is one player, and if the Panthers are saying he made that big a difference to their seasons prospects by leaving, then blame the coach for having all his eggs in one basket. Come on Sooty...you know better than that. Remove a teams franchise player mid season and the season would collapse, the same applies in the NHL, pull Sakic from Colorado or Jagr from the Rangers or Ovechkin from Washington, etc, etc and the season would derail fast. It's perfectly reasonable (and true) that Tess leaving skudded our season last year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2006 16:58:49 GMT
Well the fact of the matter is, HE DID like his curcumstances surrounding his time in Nottingham, thats why he was ready to return, it was NOTHING to do with him not returning - FACT
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Post by texpef on Nov 8, 2006 17:07:19 GMT
dont let him wind you up pidge he was fishing and he caught a fish....
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Post by Tambo on Nov 8, 2006 20:02:37 GMT
Oh dear oh dear oh dear Right, well as i have nothing to hide, it was me that placed the £20 notes on tess's car.... so you are all free to have a dig now... however, i would like you to read my account of the event!!! "Wallpapered" the car??? WHAT? it was 4 one sided, equally sized printed £20 notes with SAMPLE writen across them!!! We were walking to the arena from our car, and passed Dan Tessier's car, and carefully placed them under his window wiper.... even did it on the passenger side so as to not cause a visionary obstruction!!! The security guard stood and watched!!!! Seriously... this is a little OTT.... its no different to all those people that put flyers on peoples windows! The guy craped on us from a great height then joined steelers.... and he is upset at a little banter??? Many of you know me, and i would hope you would agree that i am far from a hooligan!!!! He is lucky he is playing ice hockey.... could you imagine if this were the same situation but with Man U and Liverpool or Leeds... imagine what would have happened to his car then! Seriously guys, 4 little notes under his wiper and a few jeers at the match, not really the pinacle of hooliganism is it! BTW, the notes wernt even on his car when he got back, i walked past it and they had been taken off!!!! So i would lay this at a little spin by a certain someone! I doubt tess even knew! For what its worth... in hooters sat night, again i had some banter with him.... the steelers team walked in and we sang, "hes dreaming of a swiss christmas, just like the one he had last year" and again waved some money at him and asked him if her was buying the round with all that money he earned during his succesful stint in the swiss league? Friendly clean banter, which got a responce from a professional sports person of " --------------------------------------------" And im the bad guy huh? Make of it what you want, it was a little joke that some people fail to see, either that or refuse to see all because it was a panther playing a joke on a steeler.... I mean its not like we got abused by some steelers fans whilst walking to the arena on saturday, with them leaning out of their car shouting abusive language at us!!!! Modified for bad language.Keefe, you are a bad bad man, Love it mate. Tambo
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Post by KimThePanther on Nov 8, 2006 20:13:56 GMT
Apparently on Steeler Hockey tonight he was saying that he doesn't have any respect for Panthers fans anymore. Doesn't your heart just bleed for the guy?
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Post by KimThePanther on Nov 8, 2006 20:15:32 GMT
.....Paul Adey in a Teal & Orange shirt..... Mods! Offensive language being used here! I know Stef it was very very wrong.
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