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Post by pantherlee on Mar 15, 2024 21:44:46 GMT
I’ve been coming since 2010 and he’s been the worst starter I’ve seen in that time. He’s not even an improvement on Dubeau Carr was pretty crap Yep. Never liked him either but he’s better than Rok
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 15, 2024 21:43:43 GMT
Embarrassing
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 15, 2024 21:42:58 GMT
For me, Rok has been the biggest disappointment. I was pretty chuffed we'd snagged him but it’s rare he wins a game for us. I’ve been coming since 2010 and he’s been the worst starter I’ve seen in that time. He’s not even an improvement on Dubeau
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 15, 2024 21:29:08 GMT
Some of the forwards in this team are very good and a good core can be made from them. However, the defence and goaltending needs scrapping and starting again. They’re just rubbish
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 15, 2024 20:47:24 GMT
How many times does this team concede seconds after scoring? It’s a recurring theme that happens way too often.
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 15, 2024 18:52:26 GMT
Looks like Kelsall moved to D. JP must’ve accepted rotating 5D didn’t work
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 15:13:10 GMT
And like we all know, little will change until NB goes. GM, GD, OP, all come and go but the consistent is NB And I have to be honest when he said it it made perfect financial sense to me. And, on the flip side, when we were in contention we have brought in big players (Ling) and carried spares. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the team bought. Especially by the type of organisation Giants have but within the limits of his business view, not bringing in lots of extra players this year makes sense. Not least because I can't see anyone wanting to cut a player that was here that day in October That last point is another reason why there is big asterisk that belongs should be applied to this season. I’m under no illusion that this has been a bad season but things would have been so much different had the tragedy never happened and why I’d take this team over last years bunch all day long. Firstly just think about the impact alone AJ would’ve had for the whole season. Roy and Nieminen currently sit 12th and 17th in scoring respectively this season having sharing the top line with Farley, Luciani, Neilson and Henbrant over the course of the season. Had we had AJ on that line for the full season then I’m confident that that would’ve been the most deadly line in the league and all 3 would be in the top 10 league scorers. Add to that the emotional trauma that caused and was obvious to see and had a profound affect on performances and confidence for the next couple of months. The knock on effect of that also was as you say that all players that decided to stay made themselves undroppable for the loyalty they showed in difficult circumstances which I entirely agree with. It would be in very bad taste to release any of them but that may consequently contribute to our downfall. Had all been normal would the likes of Anderson and Welsh still be here and not been upgraded? All those things taken into the equation I believe we’d have ended up around 4th as it’s not that big a points swing over that time had the AJ tragedy never happened and things would’ve been vastly different
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 14:49:07 GMT
How many spare imports do you want the club to have? With the condensed schedule they faced,my opinion is they should have gone for three spare import skaters. Especially when taking into account they had lost both Tetlow and Betteridge for months. You can’t leave yourself short then complain about injuries or tiredness. I haven’t listened to any interviews or anything so I’ll have to be corrected but who’s complaining about tiredness? Has this come out of the club?
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 14:24:53 GMT
And what about Hazeldine, Luciani and Pare? Luciani replaced Farley though so he’s no spare. One spare import in Pare is not enough to justify the excuse that they’re tired. Every team is likely to suffer injuries and more so if you’ve got a condensed schedule. They should have brought in more or used IR but they never use IR for some reason. So Hazeldine and Pare are spares then. Do you really need any more than that. One point I will agree with though is not making use of IR. Difficult to do with Tetlow or Betteridge being Brits but as soon as it was clear that Welsh was long term an IR replacement should have been brought in
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 13:32:25 GMT
Time to lock this thread, I think as its been hijacked by those who post nothing when the team have been playing well but the minute reports (as opposed to seeing a game) of them playing badly (and they did) they are reaching for the keyboard and a moist towelette for the excitement of maligning the club............again. Nobody’s being abusive or anything,it’s just opinions about valid points. Why didn’t they look forward etc ? I’m no big advocate for Pacha but to fair after the incident he brought in Farley and Despres. Also brought in Hazeldine for Tetlow when he was injured and since brought in Luciani and Pare. After that you couldn’t possibly foresee any injuries down the line we’d get and if we’re full strength then we’re carrying a spare forward and spare defenceman.
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 12:46:14 GMT
Definitely and Roy, Nieminen and Neill should be top of that list as they will have no shortage of offers. Get them nailed down before anyone else comes knocking Isn't Neill at Uni? I don’t think so. I thought it was AJ on a uni deal
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 11:39:59 GMT
You’re right and that’s why I say to prioritise them as they would be worth a pay rise as they are the ones who have proven themselves. Top players deserve top money and we do have a couple. Henbrant for example didn’t have the CV that suggests he would be on big money so he would be worth more for next season (not top money though). Some have done enough to come back on the same terms (Lunsjo and Michaud I’d say) and it would be up to them to accept it or not and some shouldn’t be offered anything. Bottom line is players should be paid what they’re worth. Some players stock has risen. Some have stayed the same and some have fallen. I fully agree. There's been a whole load of decent players panthers have had down the years who ended up leaving because black and co wouldn't give them a extra bit to re sign. The big 3 teams retain a core because they are happy to reward their better players with incentives and small wage increases . Theres 2/3 players who panthers should be talking to now and get nailed down before the play off weekend never mind the summer! Do panthers even have a long term plan? Definitely and Roy, Nieminen and Neill should be top of that list as they will have no shortage of offers. Get them nailed down before anyone else comes knocking
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 10:37:48 GMT
That will be down to Pacha though surely? Black will set the budget and it will be up to Pacha how he spends it. For me priority should be given to securing Roy, Nieminen and Neill (possibly Lunsjo and Henbrant too) as they are the proven players for this club in this league and you know exactly what you’re getting. Exactly but if some players want a rise other areas of the roster will get paid less than this year as black won't increase the budget so those half decent players won't get the wage they want . Happens every year .. Pacha has to go for me.. hes turned panthers into a non contending team for the first time in 20+ years! You’re right and that’s why I say to prioritise them as they would be worth a pay rise as they are the ones who have proven themselves. Top players deserve top money and we do have a couple. Henbrant for example didn’t have the CV that suggests he would be on big money so he would be worth more for next season (not top money though). Some have done enough to come back on the same terms (Lunsjo and Michaud I’d say) and it would be up to them to accept it or not and some shouldn’t be offered anything. Bottom line is players should be paid what they’re worth. Some players stock has risen. Some have stayed the same and some have fallen.
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 9:59:32 GMT
I’m sorry I really just don’t buy this. If the players were that deeply scarred by what happened then they should have already left like Bjorkung chose to do. Yes those couple of months after when it was still raw must have been very difficult and it visibly was it was plain for all to see. But overall the group seems to have recovered and gained some confidence and enjoyment again and the AJ tragedy just can’t be dragged up to be used as an excuse now whenever we play badly or to decide what their futures will be. It happened and nothing will change that whether players decide to stay or go and I think the players are smart enough to know that and shouldn’t have any bearing on future decisions Me too. If and I expect most of the roster to leave it will be because they want to go elsewhere or black won't pay any increase to the better performing players. This summer will be groundhog day . Yet again and folk wonder why the team is never successful That will be down to Pacha though surely? Black will set the budget and it will be up to Pacha how he spends it. For me priority should be given to securing Roy, Nieminen and Neill (possibly Lunsjo and Henbrant too) as they are the proven players for this club in this league and you know exactly what you’re getting.
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 7:56:10 GMT
I hear a rumour in the stands that Neill has a broken hand.? They are also waiting on Logan, from where we sat it looked like he also was wearing a black splint on his left hand. I’d be very surprised if we see any of this team back next season and that includes The coach and a lot of that is to do with Adam. I’m sorry I really just don’t buy this. If the players were that deeply scarred by what happened then they should have already left like Bjorkung chose to do. Yes those couple of months after when it was still raw must have been very difficult and it visibly was it was plain for all to see. But overall the group seems to have recovered and gained some confidence and enjoyment again and the AJ tragedy just can’t be dragged up to be used as an excuse now whenever we play badly or to decide what their futures will be. It happened and nothing will change that whether players decide to stay or go and I think the players are smart enough to know that and shouldn’t have any bearing on future decisions
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 7:45:32 GMT
Stand by the comment of defensively being awful. Especially in the 1st, how many times did we simply gift them the puck in our defensive zone? The fact that they spawned so many gifts doesn’t make the defence any good. It’s not just this game though. We can’t go away without conceding at least 5. Not that any of this matters now. Yep. Flyers being bad doesn’t mean we were good. Defence was terrible. Playing 5D was a big mistake. No partnerships just throw out the two least tired players. No one seemed to know what they were doing. I don’t really like him as a defenceman but Kelsall should have played D just to keep lines settled.
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 23:56:40 GMT
Also, I’ve mentioned on here we needed Rok to come up big in the run-in and unfortunately tonight he didn’t keep us in it Because he just isn’t good enough to be able to do so
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 23:37:31 GMT
Can’t not turn up for 2 periods and expect to turn it round in the 3rd and get something out of the game. Should have been more that 1 behind after the first. Second period tighter, but no real quality. Peppered their goal in the 3rd, but still didn’t look like beating him and nothing dropped for us. Defensively, we are awful. McGurty poor as well as Ryczek and the others. Rok clanger for their 3rd, but not to blame for their first two. Both from close rage with no protection. Time to start making plans for next year and deciding who to keep. There is a core to be kept from this team but there are too many passengers. You aren’t winning anything if you’ve got 3 import forwards contributing 1 point or fewer in 4 every games like Anderson, Welsh and Pare
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 22:42:59 GMT
I agree with the sentiments but I also believe we saw a team with only one period in them, they didn't have the energy after the 2 games at the weekend. There was no Plan B attacking wise, it was virtually the same and you wasn't beating Owen like that. Should've put a body in front of him and screened him. If they only had the energy for 1 period you’d expect that to in the 1st period not the 3rd
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 22:39:24 GMT
Honking performance. There are contributing factors with top pair D out, 3rd game in 4 days after that terrible road trip, players in and out messing with lines, but not even all that should've resulted in a performance that bad. Rok showed exactly why he cant be retained next year. Too many freebies given away. Even at his best he can let one of those in at any time. It would be unfair to lay the blame for that result at his feet though. A few minutes left in a one goal game and you are looking to put pressure on you simply cannot have an error like that from him either. We were looking threatening at last, we had half a sniff & that mistake took it all away. As I mentioned before, there was a lot of contributing factors that didn't help, but it arguably looked like something may have gone on behind closed doors it was that bad. Oh, and plan B!! Pare has been good of late, however he was really needed to get somethimg going tonight. Ideally sooner, but at very least he should've been flying around throwing hits and looking for a scrap to start the 3rd. That's exactly the type of performance you need your fighter to bring something different. If Pare started throwing big hits, then probably the Official's arms will suddenly go upright rather quickly. Didn't think they appreciated getting booed off the ice at the end of the 2nd The officials deserved that boo. Utterly clueless for both sides. The body check that laid Tetlow out was an absolute beauty of a hit and got called for elbows even though the replay showed his elbows tucked right into his body. Then missing the most obvious cross check against the boards at the end of the second was laughable
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 21:58:55 GMT
That was poor. Scene was set by a terrible first period followed by two periods of huffing and puffing. Only line that looked vaguely dangerous was the top line, the rest were anonymous. The line looked all wrong. Since Michaud and then Neilson got injured the lines look completely disjointed and lacking chemistry and it’s affecting individual performances too. Lunsjo was on fire with Michaud and Neilson and then with Henbrant too but now looks lost and anonymous. Also, why would you have Michaud and Paré on the same line and have Michaud take the face-offs?!
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 21:54:21 GMT
Really bad tonight. That 3rd period has wound me up even more. Camped in Fife’s zone for the whole period. If we’d done that in the first 2 periods Fife wouldn’t have had a sniff. When this season is over I’ll happily drive Stojanovic to the airport myself. He’s an absolute sieve. For too long now Panthers have signed poor goalies
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 21:06:57 GMT
My god we’ve been awful for 2 periods. As bad as it gets. Luckily Flyers aren’t much better and we’re still in it. Ryczek, Tetlow and Welsh have been abysmal
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 5, 2024 15:03:16 GMT
If we were full strength I’d be benching Kelsall & McGurty/Ryczek or Anderson & Tetlow
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 4, 2024 21:49:35 GMT
I didn’t even get the design either for superhero night. They must’ve thought the muscly design made it look like a superhero outfit but to me it just made them look like gorillas Took me a while to get it but the neck piece gives it away. Its meant to be Black Panther. View AttachmentEpic fail
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