Mark
Randall Weber
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Post by Mark on Oct 8, 2006 12:20:42 GMT
It's a sporious arguement anyway, everyone knows it's the Steelers who are most despised.  |
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Post by DaveE on Oct 8, 2006 12:43:32 GMT
I Jay I honestly don't understand what you think we're jealous of mate. Yeah you might have the biggest crowds but things like the best arena are certainly questionable considering how good the Odessy is and how poor your concourse is compared to ours on busy nights. well I've never been to Odessy so i can't compare. the O to the NIC I thought the O was a really nice arena. When I went, it looked bigger than the NIC (and the concourse was wider too) |
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Post by spik on Oct 8, 2006 12:55:25 GMT
I can question why we are not winning stuff but in the end its competition I like. We cant all win what we want.So as HL is implying we are a safe and sound model. I am more happy with that than winning at all costs. We do have a great following without great achievement over a 'short' period. Hence 40 hockey seasons.
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Post by Stoopy on Oct 8, 2006 13:43:34 GMT
HL Paranoia, would be an appropriate word. Despised would an an inappropriate word. After every game between us, win or lose, I have never felt I despise the Panthers. Sick as a Skegness donkey on bank holiday Monday maybe. But never despise. You know if ever you take that tongue out of your cheek, you will appear less tubby when you sit supporting the Steelers on your Panthers day off.  |
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Ian
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Post by Ian on Oct 8, 2006 14:55:27 GMT
That was one night however but the point I'm making is that up for about four years the way the players I've mentioned conducted themselves was unacceptable and i do think its left a sour taste in the mouth of fans accross the league. Nieckar - 3 seasons playing for Panthers Wood - 1 season playing for Panthers Clarke - 1 season playing for Panthers So when exactly are these four years you are talking about? There was only the one season where all three of the players you mention played for us and, at times, their antics did go over the top, most Panthers fans would agree with that. But I sure that is not to blame for any bad feeling between ourselves and Steelers - the rivalry goes back much further than that as you well know. As for the Giants, they had a team that was promoted by itself and its local media as "whiter than white" but including a fair few players who were happy to mouth off and dish out sneaky cheap shots but ran and cried to the ref and the papers when anyone took exception to it. The Schulte incident was a typical example of this, it was not a "mugging" it was a melee as often happens in hockey matches, blown out of all proportion by the Belfast media and those with an anti-Nieckar agenda. To say that the Panthers had "a complete team of goons" until the last couple of years is ridiculous, especially coming from a fan of a team that has famously held up such characters as Allison, Vial, Darling and, at present, Clouthier as heroes. Apart from that single season, our major failing has been our lack of physical presence. I would suspect that your dislike of Jason Clarke might be at least partly to do with the fact that he scored 3 game winning goals against the Steelers in his single season in black and gold. |
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Post by Jonno on Oct 8, 2006 15:00:13 GMT
It's interesting to see that people are commenting on the superiority complex that alot of people seem to have on here. It's been about five years since the majority of Steelers fans inc myself have thought us to be the biggest club and have the best team yet in that time we have had a good amount of on ice success. Yet in that time I would say that the Panthers have had less success than ourselves but the superiority complex is in full swing with some on here. Self glorifying threads like this strengthen my point. To be honest I really dont see the point in this thread. Craig is spot on, it is just self glorifying. I'm not aiming this solely at you HL but this not the first time a thread of yours has taken this tone. To go on about how great we are is ridiculous, where's the trophies? I'd argue that it's precisely this attitude of "superiority" why people dont like us. There's no need for it. |
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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 8, 2006 15:05:09 GMT
It's interesting to see that people are commenting on the superiority complex that alot of people seem to have on here. It's been about five years since the majority of Steelers fans inc myself have thought us to be the biggest club and have the best team yet in that time we have had a good amount of on ice success. Yet in that time I would say that the Panthers have had less success than ourselves but the superiority complex is in full swing with some on here. Self glorifying threads like this strengthen my point. To be honest I really dont see the point in this thread. Craig is spot on, it is just self glorifying. I'm not aiming this solely at you HL but this not the first time a thread of yours has taken this tone. To go on about how great we are is ridiculous, where's the trophies? I'd argue that it's precisely this attitude of "superiority" why people dont like us. There's no need for it. Dont claim that our organisation is great Jonno, nor claim any superiority, just curious as to why an organisation such as ours is villified from many ice hockey quarters, yet seems to be the very model that many try to copy. All very hypocritical I would say. HL |
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Post by MP on Oct 8, 2006 15:12:18 GMT
Utterly pointless thread.  HL enjoys provoking a lively debate from time to time - he has the knack of getting people to respond about matters they consider not worthy of discussion....  |
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Post by Jonno on Oct 8, 2006 15:38:29 GMT
Ive read threads by HL before both on this forum and on Steeltalk and many are informative and interesting. I have however seen some that seem to be there just to "spread the good news" regarding the Panthers and in my opinion, counter productively provoke an aggressive response from posters from other clubs. Whatever your point to this thread I personality don't think Panthers are the ahead of others clubs in all fields (ie, marketing, arena, trophies!) and I don't think it's accurate to imply otherwise. Apologies if my interpretation of the post is inncorrect however I am simply saying it is this interpretation that may be an answer to your question. Cheers.
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Post by andyd on Oct 8, 2006 20:27:24 GMT
That was one night however but the point I'm making is that up for about four years the way the players I've mentioned conducted themselves was unacceptable and i do think its left a sour taste in the mouth of fans accross the league. Nieckar - 3 seasons playing for Panthers Wood - 1 season playing for Panthers Clarke - 1 season playing for Panthers So when exactly are these four years you are talking about? There was only the one season where all three of the players you mention played for us and, at times, their antics did go over the top, most Panthers fans would agree with that. But I sure that is not to blame for any bad feeling between ourselves and Steelers - the rivalry goes back much further than that as you well know. As for the Giants, they had a team that was promoted by itself and its local media as "whiter than white" but including a fair few players who were happy to mouth off and dish out sneaky cheap shots but ran and cried to the ref and the papers when anyone took exception to it. The Schulte incident was a typical example of this, it was not a "mugging" it was a melee as often happens in hockey matches, blown out of all proportion by the Belfast media and those with an anti-Nieckar agenda. To say that the Panthers had "a complete team of goons" until the last couple of years is ridiculous, especially coming from a fan of a team that has famously held up such characters as Allison, Vial, Darling and, at present, Clouthier as heroes. Apart from that single season, our major failing has been our lack of physical presence. I would suspect that your dislike of Jason Clarke might be at least partly to do with the fact that he scored 3 game winning goals against the Steelers in his single season in black and gold. Finally. A sensible accurate post worth reading. |
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Post by craigfx2o on Oct 9, 2006 6:56:29 GMT
I would suspect that your dislike of Jason Clarke might be at least partly to do with the fact that he scored 3 game winning goals against the Steelers in his single season in black and gold. Wasn't that the season that we won the league and playoffs? ;D |
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Post by Ian on Oct 9, 2006 7:38:30 GMT
I would suspect that your dislike of Jason Clarke might be at least partly to do with the fact that he scored 3 game winning goals against the Steelers in his single season in black and gold. Wasn't that the season that we won the league and playoffs? ;D I think you won the league but the Giants won the playoffs, but don't you let the facts get in the way of a good gloat will you?  |
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 9, 2006 7:45:39 GMT
Wasn't that the season that we won the league and playoffs? ;D I think you won the league but the Giants won the playoffs, but don't you let the facts get in the way of a good gloat will you? Correctamundo.... Sheffield won the league and CC, but Belfast took the Play-Offs. Back to hockey history class for Craig! ;D |
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Post by Rich on Oct 9, 2006 10:32:14 GMT
Lol Ian, spot on with every post.
Forget all the years of rivalry, all the cheapshots and fan arguements its all down to us Signing Clarke and Wood for ONE season thats made for ill feeling.
I found the facts HL raised intresting but I can see how bad it would come across to other fans!
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Post by grumpyminer on Oct 9, 2006 12:46:05 GMT
I think the whole point is rivalry. As a Panthers fan I WANT us to have the best team, club, arena, jersey, food etc...That is the reason we big up our own team and put down every other. Not because we ARE the best but because we want to be. At the moment we are top of the league and everyone else wants to knock us off, so they probably dislike us a little more. When we return from Rouen, Belfast may be top so they will be feeling the brunt of it. That's sporting rivalry......wanting to win!! EDIT: Well done to HL for getting 30-odd replies to a post that should have been disregarded as ramblings. You should be a politician. ;D ;D |
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Post by Paul on Oct 9, 2006 14:46:27 GMT
I don't despise, loathe or hate anyone. Life's too short.
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Post by texpef on Oct 9, 2006 14:52:14 GMT
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Post by Paul on Oct 9, 2006 14:58:41 GMT
....not even me paul the B? Not even you Dave. I just feel contempt for you. ;D |
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Post by texpef on Oct 9, 2006 15:39:56 GMT
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Mark
Randall Weber
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Post by Mark on Oct 9, 2006 19:49:36 GMT
I don't despise, loathe or hate anyone. Life's too short. Me too Paul, I'm just so easy going. |
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Post by ashotinthedark on Oct 9, 2006 23:11:49 GMT
I have made my comments privately - I would however make this observation, we, I don't think, we need to go looking for our own internal torments, seems to me that currently we are on the verge of doing really well, I will say no more, as I don't want to tempt fate.
BUT why do we, as a fan base seek to question ourselves, our right to be where we are and also entertain what we imagine everyone else thinks when other winning teams couldn't care less?
This is not a naive plea to believe - this is a serious question in my mind as to whether we are strong enough mentally to see this through, and you know what, I don't mean the team.
IMHO its time we grew up as a club and stoppped worrying about the rest of the hockey world and used everything we can to win and get this monkey off our backs, we deserve it!!!
We should have won in 1999/2000 but choked - and why? Becuase we let our insecuriites and expectations translate themselves to the team and they had a serious wobble.
Look at other examples in sport - Man Utd and Chelsea - their fans live for the now and maybe we could do worse than taking a leaf from their book and stop over analysing questions we truly will never know the answer to. I'm not asking HL to conform to the party line and chant a happy song, all I'm saying is a positive stance by us the fans will bolster the team in time of need, and foster their sense of achievement when they win, screw the introspective navel gazing, there isn't time........
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