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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 7, 2006 14:30:36 GMT
I find it strange that for the Panthers and the fans of the Panthers who are alledgledy 'despised' by other clubs (one would cetainly believe this if you listened and read everything that comes from some of our opponents) then why 1. Was Ed Courtney, who certainly calls a spade a spade, very complimentary of both the team and the fans in the phone in last night. Indeed when he was on a mission last year against everything and everyone, as far as I can remember was not critical of us as a team or as fans? 2. Following Mike Ellis giving young James Neil regular shifts, and playing youngsters in the recent challenge game at Romford some other teams, who didnt realise they had Brits in their squads, are now making big noises on whow good their own Brits are? 3. Do the Panthers have the biggest average paying attendance in the league at 4400, whilst the Steelers paying attendance is 3600, Belfasts paying attendance is less than 3500, and Newcastle and Coventrys is 2 men and a dog. Surely if the Panthers ice hockey club is a despised and disliked as some suggest why do we having a significantly higher attendance than anyone else? I certainly believe that the Panthers organisation not getting involved with any 'love-ins' with any other teams (Shuff seem desperate to renew their love affair with Coventry for some reason - perhaps they want their Brits to have a chance of being picked for GB: may count against them, but a team that knows its own mind has more respect that a team that tries to tag on. Perhaps we have embarresed other teams by going to the Continental Cup, maybe its envy from some other clubs that they have been run so badly they can't afford the few quid needed to go. Perhaps as the biggest revenue provider to the league, other clubs feel a sense of embarresment that they need our cash to survive? I guess we maybe despised, but I do smile that for such a despised team there does seem to be those who envy what we do and what we achieve. HL
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Post by craigfx2o on Oct 7, 2006 14:51:39 GMT
I agree you have the largest paying fanbase in the league and for that you should be congratulated.
Aside from that you have achieved nothing so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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Post by spik on Oct 7, 2006 14:54:37 GMT
On Point 3......We love hockey.Thats why I go. Nothing to do with anything else. Our audience is hockey loving 'home' fans. Why else would we have a large contingent. A percentage is away fans but mainly 'homers' 'in love' with the game.
Why would people not attend a game in Nottingham anyway? Even if coming from another club?
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Post by grumpyminer on Oct 7, 2006 15:26:33 GMT
We are "despised" in the same context as the rest of the football world "loathes" Man Utd.
I only wish we could be as successful
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Post by Helen B on Oct 7, 2006 16:06:21 GMT
We are "despised" in the same context as the rest of the football world "loathes" Man Utd. I only wish we could be as successful See I always thought that was the Steelers, certainly not the Panthers. I don't despise the Panthers, I don't like them but because they are not my team, but I have seen them playing this season and they play entertaining hockey, this year. Maybe the reason you have a larger crowd is because the on ice product is entertaining, whereas in Sheffield the last couple of seasons the on ice product has not been that good.
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Post by heja on Oct 7, 2006 16:14:52 GMT
Nah people hate the steelers because of there attitude and how they have won things not because they have won things
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Post by craigfx2o on Oct 7, 2006 16:30:38 GMT
I agree that certain people don't like us because we were the only team proven to have broken the wage cap in 2000 and in that season we won the Grand Slam. We've won alot before and after that though in perfectly reasonable ways and I put that down purely to the winning mentality that the club has. I don't despise the Panthers by any means but there are a few reasons why they aren't my favourite team. The first reason is that up until the last couple of seasons you've had a complete team of goons. People like Nieckar, Wood and Clarke didn't enforce the game in the way it should be done. They would cheap shot people and really try to hurt their fellow professionals and to me that isn't on. A couple of examples of this are the blind side punch by Nieckar on Allison that knocked Allison out the game before the bench clearance. The mugging of Schulte in Belfast after the whistle was horrific as was Clarke repeatedly punching a Bracknell player who was laid on the ice in Bracknell. To me these kind of things aren't acceptable and neither is a number of fans cheering when things like this happen. The second reason is that I find a number of Panthers fans, particularly the ones that sit near the away block, quite aggressive and quick to make hand gestures towards the away blocks. Apart from that I'm a big fan of the way your club is run so carry on!! ;D Oh and the third reason is that HL and Pidge insist on writing rubbish on both forums. The sooner there rights to own a computer are removed the better.
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Post by craigfx2o on Oct 7, 2006 16:33:23 GMT
Double post.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 7, 2006 22:10:34 GMT
Oh and the third reason is that HL and Pidge insist on writing rubbish on both forums. The sooner there rights to own a computer are removed the better. We only write rubbish on SteelTalk so we don't stand out by writing intellectual posts HL
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Post by John88 on Oct 7, 2006 22:35:38 GMT
I normally enjoy your posts HL but that made me cringe and feel embarrassed to be a Panthers fan.
What's the point you are making ?
We have a nice arena, big crowd, big budget and have won hardly anything for years.
I know which I'd rather. Say what you like about Newcastle and Sheffield's ups and downs, at least they have won trophies. Or you want to just be the Man City of British Hockey.
Big crowds, loyal fans ..... everyones favourite 2nd team.
Nah, rather have some success.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 7, 2006 22:50:53 GMT
I normally enjoy your posts HL but that made me cringe and feel embarrassed to be a Panthers fan. What's the point you are making ? We have a nice arena, big crowd, big budget and have won hardly anything for years. I know which I'd rather. Say what you like about Newcastle and Sheffield's ups and downs, at least they have won trophies. Or you want to just be the Man City of British Hockey. Big crowds, loyal fans ..... everyones favourite 2nd team. Nah, rather have some success. The point I was making was that other clubs and people associated with these clubs rubbish us, but when you take a long hard look, perhaps Panthers are the model organisation. AS for Man City, don't knock em mate, i happen to like them! HL
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Post by Mark on Oct 7, 2006 23:01:08 GMT
Who cares?
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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 7, 2006 23:08:28 GMT
Nobody really..but having spent the best part of Saturday morning and early afternoon doing work in front of the computer fopr clients, I needed to have a break..so it wwas just some musings. HL
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Post by John88 on Oct 7, 2006 23:27:42 GMT
The point I was making was that other clubs and people associated with these clubs rubbish us, but when you take a long hard look, perhaps Panthers are the model organisation. In that case, I'll give my opinion: a) Nobody really hates us. What is there to hate ? We haven't troubled the scorers in most seasons, our fans are generally a nice bunch and for the last few years, we've had some nice players who you couldn't really dispise. As I said, we are more Man City than Man Utd. b) obviously we are a good model but there is no need to have a go at others. Sheffield are getting in decent numbers, and I don't get the knocking off Newcastle and Coventry. Coventry in particular. I believe they have the highest % number of full seats every week and are a good model too. Hardly one man and a dog. c) You are the one who goes on about the Nottingham Brits on every forum. Just because Neil got a few shifts doesn't mean Nottingham is the home of Britsh talent. A few years ago, we had no Brits in our team and now we (well you!!) seem to be preaching to everyone else. Seems a bit ironic to me.
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Post by 123 on Oct 7, 2006 23:28:57 GMT
People generally don't seem to like the team that is 'the best' in any season. For years it was everyone Vs Sheffield, as they kept winning. That has lessened a lot over the last few seasons. More recently everyone seems to have hated Coventry. From last year into this, many people dislike Belfast. As for Nottingham being disliked, at the risk of offending anyone (which I certainly don't mean to do) I think it is more about the club and many fans having something of a superiority complex, despite having nothing to show for being the richest, having the best arena and biggest crowds etc. In addition, I actually think some Panthers fans seem to try and 'rubbish' the efforts/achievements of other teams more than anyone else. I have lived in Nottingham for almost 5 years and find the 'superiority complex' (for want of a better phrase) extends in some ways across the city as a whole and certainly isn't just limited to Panthers (or Forest..) Yes, the Panthers are to be congratulated on drawing the largest crowds nowadays and having a long, established history - though it is easier to attract people to a place like the NIC (the Panthers are extremely fortunate that this was built in Nottingham) than many other places. Playing out of a 4500 capacity Skydome, Bison rink, or the new ones in Cardiff & Manchester, I suggest the crowds would be smaller. But they are just my thoughts.
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 7, 2006 23:41:33 GMT
I don't despise the Panthers by any means but there are a few reasons why they aren't my favourite team. The first reason is that up until the last couple of seasons you've had a complete team of goons. People like Nieckar, Wood and Clarke didn't enforce the game in the way it should be done. They would cheap shot people and really try to hurt their fellow professionals and to me that isn't on. A couple of examples of this are the blind side punch by Nieckar on Allison that knocked Allison out the game before the bench clearance. The mugging of Schulte in Belfast after the whistle was horrific as was Clarke repeatedly punching a Bracknell player who was laid on the ice in Bracknell. To me these kind of things aren't acceptable and neither is a number of fans cheering when things like this happen. The second reason is that I find a number of Panthers fans, particularly the ones that sit near the away block, quite aggressive and quick to make hand gestures towards the away blocks. Apart from that I'm a big fan of the way your club is run so carry on!! ;D Oh and the third reason is that HL and Pidge insist on writing rubbish on both forums. The sooner there rights to own a computer are removed the better. All three 'reasons' can be applied to the Steelers at least as much as ourselves. And as for Allison/Neickar.... that high-speed cross-check to the back of Neickar's head by Allison has to go down as probably the most disgusting and disgraceful attack I've ever seen in British ice hockey. Yet Allison became a 'hero' in Sheffield... go figure. There's good and bad on all sides, at the end of the day. How about we leave it at that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2006 0:16:12 GMT
You fail your own points in your very post..................why do you get numbers?? who follows this?? Newcastle, Manchester, Belfast arent coming to the NIC thats for sure.................... who despises your attendance? ? Reality is................your not followed at al................ your thinking too much...............dear me...............
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Post by matt44 on Oct 8, 2006 0:22:11 GMT
You fail your own points in your very post..................why do you get numbers?? who follows this?? Newcastle, Manchester, Belfast arent coming to the NIC thats for sure.................... who despises your attendance? ? Reality is................your not followed at al................ your thinking too much...............dear me............... Even though I think this whole thread is pointless I have to ask A) what you are on about.?..........and B) what drugs are you on?
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Post by craigfx2o on Oct 8, 2006 8:39:34 GMT
All three 'reasons' can be applied to the Steelers at least as much as ourselves. And as for Allison/Neickar.... that high-speed cross-check to the back of Neickar's head by Allison has to go down as probably the most disgusting and disgraceful attack I've ever seen in British ice hockey. Yet Allison became a 'hero' in Sheffield... go figure. There's good and bad on all sides, at the end of the day. How about we leave it at that? Allison didn't become a hero after the bench clearance Shaggy, he was a Steelers hero long before that. I agree his cross check was disgusting and it was the second worst incident I've seen whilst watching hockey. The thing is that his action that night was a one off whereas the players I mentioned were trying to injure players night in night out and that is a fact. It's interesting to see that people are commenting on the superiority complex that alot of people seem to have on here. It's been about five years since the majority of Steelers fans inc myself have thought us to be the biggest club and have the best team yet in that time we have had a good amount of on ice success. Yet in that time I would say that the Panthers have had less success than ourselves but the superiority complex is in full swing with some on here. Self glorifying threads like this strengthen my point.
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Post by karl on Oct 8, 2006 9:15:10 GMT
I find it strange that for the Panthers and the fans of the Panthers who are alledgledy 'despised' by other clubs (one would cetainly believe this if you listened and read everything that comes from some of our opponents) then why I guess we maybe despised, but I do smile that for such a despised team there does seem to be those who envy what we do and what we achieve. HL For what its worth if you feel that Panthers are 'despised' around the league is it that because you are basing that on the views of the on line fraternity only? If so then posts such as yours and those you make in other fan forums, may well be a huge contributing factor to your complex. Utterly pointless thread.
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Post by texpef on Oct 8, 2006 11:08:34 GMT
Craig everyone sees things with their own point of view in mind, i DONT see the things that you see and i saw that it was the likes of vial and alison that started that infamous bench clearance with thuggish behaviour, whereas i am sure you didnt see it that way. On threads like this especially on a forum that isnt your own i suggest it is prudent to agree to disagree otherwise it may well end p being a tit for tat exercise that does noone any good...
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Post by jay87 on Oct 8, 2006 11:30:20 GMT
Problem is that other teams and fans are jelious. As we've the 'better of the bunch' player wise Nickear as an enforcer, John Craighead as a mean power foward, Lee Jinman as the skillful centre Robert Stancok one of the best D men I've seen play in UK.
We have the best arena in the UK.
I think also the clubs finanices, with us being able to play in the Contiental Cup.
I also don't think that comments from people within the Panther camp have helped over the years, nor has it helped the Steelers over the years.
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Post by craigfx2o on Oct 8, 2006 11:49:15 GMT
Craig everyone sees things with their own point of view in mind, i DONT see the things that you see and i saw that it was the likes of vial and alison that started that infamous bench clearance with thuggish behaviour, whereas i am sure you didnt see it that way. On threads like this especially on a forum that isnt your own i suggest it is prudent to agree to disagree otherwise it may well end p being a tit for tat exercise that does noone any good... I agree that it was our side that started the bench clearance on that night without a doubt. That was one night however but the point I'm making is that up for about four years the way the players I've mentioned conducted themselves was unacceptable and i do think its left a sour taste in the mouth of fans accross the league. It certainly has with me. Jay I honestly don't understand what you think we're jealous of mate. Yeah you might have the biggest crowds but things like the best arena are certainly questionable considering how good the Odessy is and how poor your concourse is compared to ours on busy nights. As for the continental cup I can only speak for myself but I'm sure alot of others feel the same when I say I couldn't care less. I wasn't interested when we were in it and I'm even less interested in it now. It's not like the Champions League in football where revenue is dramatically increased etc. All it does is cost the club money and potentially injure key players. In football terms its like saying that Chelsea (without the money but still with the success) are jealous of Newcastle. It simply isnt the case!
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Post by jay87 on Oct 8, 2006 12:02:05 GMT
I Jay I honestly don't understand what you think we're jealous of mate. Yeah you might have the biggest crowds but things like the best arena are certainly questionable considering how good the Odessy is and how poor your concourse is compared to ours on busy nights. well I've never been to Odessy so i can't compare. the O to the NIC
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Post by craigfx2o on Oct 8, 2006 12:05:11 GMT
So you only think you know that you've got the best arena. ;D Only joking!
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