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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2006 15:05:01 GMT
CC is playing in front of a permeable defence to say the least. I'd still rather have him here than Lindsay but what can we do? Nothing. He's gone, and Evan is answering his critics big time in my view. Let's move on, shall we?
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Post by Robbie Nud on Oct 1, 2006 16:31:20 GMT
Lindsay is a very simple goalie, his positioning is good and he does what hes there for, he keeps his positioning and stops the first shot. He gives out rebounds but Ellis knew that and the D man know that. If you notice, his rebounds are not always because he cant catch, often he will deflect the shot to where a defender is or into a safe area. So the defence can pick up and not have to rescue the puck.
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Post by lps on Oct 1, 2006 17:03:15 GMT
CC is playing in front of a permeable defence to say the least. I'd still rather have him here than Lindsay but what can we do? Nothing. He's gone, and Evan is answering his critics big time in my view. Let's move on, shall we? Seconded
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Post by belak on Oct 1, 2006 19:24:54 GMT
CC is playing in front of a permeable defence to say the least. I'd still rather have him here than Lindsay but what can we do? Nothing. He's gone, and Evan is answering his critics big time in my view. Let's move on, shall we? Agreed M'Lord
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Post by newham on Oct 2, 2006 9:39:16 GMT
Cruikshanks did not constantly perform for us, he lost concentration more than a few occasions, ive never slagged him off and i never said in one of my posts on this thread that Lindsay is the better netty, though in my opinion he is. Stats prove otherwise. Good to see Lindsay is doing his bit now though, he's got a tough job ahead of him however. alot better players have gone to other clubs than Cruikshank so why do people still seem to be arguing who is the better, at the end of the day if he was such a brilliant netty he'd still be here, i really rated Peitila but i didnt keep going on about it after he'd gone and we got the Sundberg who was by far worse than Pietila, not a swipe at him just my opinion. We're debating about who is better because this is a forum, this is what it is for. The reason he isn't here is because Ellis likes Lindsay, he's probably not seen enough on CC to make an honest judgement. Wasn't Pietila brought in as cover for the injured Sundberg anyway? he might have had league leading stats but what did that get us, bob all. alot of emphasis was on Cruikshanks last season, he was a big part of our team and imo didnt play that well. this season Lindsay is as little or big a part of the team as anyone else is playing great, like whats been said earlier hes alot more simple playing than Cruikshanks but sometimes simple is better, oh yeah and is a damn site better at comin out of hs net to clear the puck, in Sheffield last year, nightmare. That's a dreadful argument. The reason we won nothing last year was that we gave up 1600 shots and couldn't score enough goals, your opinion that he didn't play well is negated by the FACT that he had a damn fine save percentage and GAA. Your argument looks to me is that Lindsay isn't any better than anyone else in the team, so that makes him a better player than one of our stand-out players last year? Sure, there's a little less pressure on the guy but that could be detrimental on both concentration and as a result, performance. I don't want Lindsay out by any means but i find it disgusting that so many people can just discard CC like he was an under-performer. He was a good servant to the club for 2 years and was one of our better performers for both of them. Fair play, move on to Lindsay but don't forget the work CC did for us. CC is playing in front of a permeable defence to say the least. I'd still rather have him here than Lindsay but what can we do? Nothing. He's gone, and Evan is answering his critics big time in my view. Let's move on, shall we? This is a forum my good man, talking about the past is pretty much what we're here to do. What's the problem with discussing and comparing past and present players?
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Post by belak on Oct 2, 2006 9:42:52 GMT
Wasn't Pietila brought in as cover for the injured Sundberg anyway? No. Pietila was our number one for 2002-03 while Sundberg replaced him for the following season.
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Post by newham on Oct 2, 2006 9:43:54 GMT
Wasn't Pietila brought in as cover for the injured Sundberg anyway? No. Pietila was our number one for 2002-03 while Sundberg replaced him for the following season. My mistake. Who was it that Pietila replaced?
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Post by belak on Oct 2, 2006 9:46:04 GMT
No. Pietila was our number one for 2002-03 while Sundberg replaced him for the following season. My mistake. Who was it that Pietila replaced? Danny Lorenz
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Post by newham on Oct 2, 2006 9:49:45 GMT
That's the one! Pietila was a very average goalie though...Similar to the likes of Lorenz come to think of it...
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Post by Rich on Oct 2, 2006 9:50:08 GMT
Lindsay is a very simple goalie, his positioning is good and he does what hes there for, he keeps his positioning and stops the first shot. He gives out rebounds but Ellis knew that and the D man know that. If you notice, his rebounds are not always because he cant catch, often he will deflect the shot to where a defender is or into a safe area. So the defence can pick up and not have to rescue the puck. He does indeed, he proved again in hull last night he will nearly always stop the first shot, the rest is down the his team mates. He is very theoretical like that. Im happy enough with him so far apart from cardiffs first goal saturday where he wasnt prepared to flap about to get the puck, id just like to see him looking not so theoretical every now and then!
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Post by newham on Oct 2, 2006 9:55:37 GMT
I've noticed that Mr Lindsay is very similar to a certain Tango fella up in Shuff...
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Post by belak on Oct 2, 2006 9:59:04 GMT
That's the one! Pietila was a very average goalie though...Similar to the likes of Lorenz come to think of it... I don't know if Mika was average in all honesty. He'd played all of his career in Finland and then come to Panthers, in a league where a North American game was played as opposed to European style of play. I think in the play offs we saw what Mika could do (four shut outs or something like that.) I do however agree with you re Danny Lorenz.
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Post by MP on Oct 2, 2006 12:21:02 GMT
If you notice, his (Evan Lyndsay) rebounds are not always because he cant catch, often he will deflect the shot to where a defender is or into a safe area. So the defence can pick up and not have to rescue the puck. That's an interesting observation - good if it works but it does require strong Dmen to be on hand to sweep the rebounds away - much as Wade Belak did for Coventry. Could be a bit risky for us though given the chances of some of our D being caught out of position having joined the forwards in attack. The conventional method is to use the pace on the puck and deflect it away into the corners whenever possible - generally a safer option than taking the pace off it and leaving it lying in front of the goal. I do however agree with you re Danny Lorenz. A bit harsh on the "Starfish". Lorenz suffered considerably from playing behind a poor defence who couldn't clear the second rebound let alone the first!
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Post by loppy on Oct 2, 2006 12:30:10 GMT
Cruickshank also decided to pull himself last night in the game against the Caps with about 3 and a half minutes to go, which IMO is a terrible thing to do, as I do not agree with the back up goalie having to go in cold, it is not fair. This was of course after Cruickshank decided to have a wee strop to himself by breaking his stick across the goal pipe and then threw it away, so would you guys still want him back now after all of this??
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Post by matt44 on Oct 2, 2006 21:04:29 GMT
In the case of CC and Jeremy Cornish..................
How the mighty fall! haha
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Post by pantherfan on Oct 2, 2006 21:07:00 GMT
Cruickshank also decided to pull himself last night in the game against the Caps with about 3 and a half minutes to go, which IMO is a terrible thing to do, as I do not agree with the back up goalie having to go in cold, it is not fair. This was of course after Cruickshank decided to have a wee strop to himself by breaking his stick across the goal pipe and then threw it away, so would you guys still want him back now after all of this?? Sure he's a great guy.
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 2, 2006 21:14:20 GMT
I don't want Lindsay out by any means but i find it disgusting that so many people can just discard CC like he was an under-performer. He was a good servant to the club for 2 years and was one of our better performers for both of them. Fair play, move on to Lindsay but don't forget the work CC did for us. It's not often I agree with you, Newham..... but - well said!
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Oct 2, 2006 22:33:02 GMT
the so called hardcore Cornish - GOT BAKED !!! Corny and Gomez will fight again for sure. It happened last season after he lost to Skiehar the next game they played they fought on the 1st shift. Corny banged his head on the ice after as he went down in round 1 and to go and have stitches and then come back into the game and go for round 2 when he was still dazed sounds pretty hardcore so I cant see anything "so called" about that. These 2 losses don't say anything about Cornys toughness. All tough guys will lose a fight. When Gomez fought Clouthier last week Gomez went down to his knees after the 1st punch and then was easily beaten but when Corny and Clouthier fought 2 weeks ago they danced for a minute and 20 seconds and it was a solid draw. Last season Corny only lost 2 fights (Skiehar and round 2 v Voth) and finished the year with the best fight record in the league. Corny is a geniune tough guy, he'll fight anyone and he always wants to square off and fight fair and if he loses he'll just come back and fight them again. Corny is without a dought in the top 3 fighters in the league.
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Post by texpef on Oct 2, 2006 23:19:31 GMT
who really cares about cornish and how did this thread get hijacked by it anyway?
For london he was at best a poor skater that didnt score hence he was brought in just to fight which he obliged and has whereever he has "played" hardly a shining light for ice hockey anywhere...So he has a good "fightcard" hardly likely to win you a hockey GAME now is it? I personally dont want the nottingham panthers to go down the route of newcastle who seem to have wondered even further down it this year....
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Post by Rob #12 on Oct 3, 2006 5:39:21 GMT
who really cares about cornish and how did this thread get hijacked by it anyway? Cornish is in the thread title, so I guess talking about him is on topic, IMO.. Rob
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Post by Rich on Oct 3, 2006 8:55:48 GMT
who really cares about cornish and how did this thread get hijacked by it anyway? Cornish is in the thread title, so I guess talking about him is on topic, IMO.. Rob Lol beat me to it... some hijack
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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 3, 2006 10:21:27 GMT
Cruickshank managed to last 50 mins in Edinburgh before he was pulled at a 83.3% Save%.
Young Lee the Brit didnt conceeded a goal!
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Post by texpef on Oct 3, 2006 11:05:32 GMT
no he isnt and to be honest pretty sure he was added later anyway... as i said who cares he is at best a poor hockey player...
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Post by Rich on Oct 3, 2006 12:05:21 GMT
no he isnt and to be honest pretty sure he was added later anyway... as i said who cares he is at best a poor hockey player... Obviously some people do thats why they choose to talk about him...
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Post by texpef on Oct 3, 2006 13:16:08 GMT
yes but some also like payette, gomez, voth, etc etc etc and go on ad finitum about them rather than those that actually win games too rich....
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