According to the Star

[ted]

Or Stir.... whichever.

Matsos has apparently set a 40 point target for Gustavson.

Do we think this is a good thing for acoach to be doing? Id really question a player that has to be set a target to score points for starters. If hes not trying his hardest as it is a points target isnt gonna change anything.

Also what does it say about the coach? He knows he isnt meeting expectations but holding onto hope he comes good?

Im not trying to take a dig and the steelers, matsos or Gustavson with this just trying to provoke debate

[dad]

It's a Sheffield problem. Long may it remain.

[Helen B]

So if you were coaching someone and you wanted them to better themselves you wouldn't set them a target??

Take it you've never coached before then, because coaches set their athletes targets doesn't matter if they're 6 or 26 you still set them targets in order to better themselves.

[ted]

Id probably set a shorter term target than 40 for a season.

[Helen B]

Well yes but 20 points is easier to aim towards than 40, he wants to give his players a challenge.

[Heanor Lair]

helenb said:

So if you were coaching someone and you wanted them to better themselves you wouldn't set them a target??

Take it you've never coached before then, because coaches set their athletes targets doesn't matter if they're 6 or 26 you still set them targets in order to better themselves.

I have coached in other sports and set targets - but havnt spouted off to the local rags what I expected of people.

HL

[Shaggy]

helenb said:

So if you were coaching someone and you wanted them to better themselves you wouldn't set them a target??

Take it you've never coached before then, because coaches set their athletes targets doesn't matter if they're 6 or 26 you still set them targets in order to better themselves.

Setting fixed targets like that makes sense if we're talking about individual athletes - but in a team sport?

This Gustavson bod could work his nadgers off all season, but if he's let down by his linemates and doesn't get the target - is that all his fault?

If this is what Matsos wants to do, that's his problem... it just sounds a bit off to me.

[Helen B]

Ah well each to his own... It's like today in my gymnastics coaching, I found out they've made one of the Grades go to a National Final, one that hasn't done before... this is the next Grade for 2 of my gymnasts, 1 of which I feel is capable of doing well enough, so I have now set her a target of finishing 4th and qualifying for the National Final. I don't know if she'll manage it but she's keen to try and have a go for it.
The coach is just setting his players a challenge... their job is to meet that challenge, although I think 40 points is too much Gustavson, purely on the grounds that a 40 points player should be setting the ice, so to speak, alight and tbh he hasn't yet... If the players are keen to try and achieve the target then I say go for it... However, I do agree about the spouting off in the local paper about it, especially when said player is yet to make an impression.

[shaun30]

well i work in LEAN managment and we dont have targets - as its supposed to de-motivate!!!!

but who cares its affecting the sqeelers!!

[texpef]

anyway to get back to the point... he stands no chance of getting 40 points...

[Nemesis]

texpef said:

anyway to get back to the point... he stands no chance of getting 40 points...

I agree, watched him closely last night and doesn't do much for me I'm afraid. Some players just don't settle, I hope if this becomes even more apparent management will have the balls to sort it out. It does nowt for either party having player who for no fault of his own can't settle and play to his best.

Look at Jeff Christian for us, yeah he did OK but he caused a few stirs in the room and nevere really settled. Following year, perfectly happy, no dressing roon trouble and banging them in left right and centre earning an AHL call up!

If he clicks in - fine, Im happy. If not - thanx for your time Ben and good luck in the future.

[heja]

Mike ellis will have set the players targets that will challeneg them selves

eg i can probably bet that simoes is set a challenge of making 5 hits in a period or a couple in a shift etc

I beileve they also get a bonus every point they score same for goals and assist so players don't get greedy

[bobness]

Erm, didn't Ellis set Myers a 20 goal target, reported in the EP?

[NickThePanther44]

well said Dad

setting personal targets isnt a bad thing but making it public to me shows a lack of confidence in that particular player.

[Rich]

Ellis sets his players period targets, not so much season targets.

IMO this is just a PR excerise to get more fans noticing Gustavson and sell papers, you cant blame them, I just hope he was consulted before it went to print and this isnt the first hes heard of it (U never know!)

[belak]

helenb said:

So if you were coaching someone and you wanted them to better themselves you wouldn't set them a target??

Take it you've never coached before then, because coaches set their athletes targets doesn't matter if they're 6 or 26 you still set them targets in order to better themselves.

Spot on flower. I don't see anything wrong with a coach setting his player/s targets.

[Deleted]

As someone who has the misfortune to work in the public sector, and is therefore subjected to an endless stream of 'guidance' and targets from ivory tower-based numerous silly sausages in London looking at a few spreadsheets and a world away from the 'front line' I have little time for targets, especially in a team context. If you have someone on your team, sport or otherwise, who needs a target to motivate them, they shouldn't be there.

[belak]

stef said:

As someone who has the misfortune to work in the public sector, and is therefore subjected to an endless stream of 'guidance' and targets from ivory tower-based numerous silly sausages in London looking at a few spreadsheets and a world away from the 'front line' I have little time for targets, especially in a team context. If you have someone on your team, sport or otherwise, who needs a target to motivate them, they shouldn't be there.

We get targets set in the police, area targets & also individual station targets. It's all based upon crime stats and therefore it's important that detection rates are set.

Personally I don't mind them, but it does annoy a lot of officers when targets aren't met, that the top brass start to moan & whine as if their officers aren't doing their job.

[newham]

ted said:

Or Stir.... whichever.

Matsos has apparently set a 40 point target for Gustavson.

Do we think this is a good thing for acoach to be doing? Id really question a player that has to be set a target to score points for starters. If hes not trying his hardest as it is a points target isnt gonna change anything.

Also what does it say about the coach? He knows he isnt meeting expectations but holding onto hope he comes good?

Im not trying to take a dig and the steelers, matsos or Gustavson with this just trying to provoke debate

I don't get it, what's the problem with setting forwards point targets? It concentrates them and gives them something to work towards. I'd say that all coaches do this to their forwards, it just doesn't often come out like this.

[Doughnut]

bobness said:

Erm, didn't Ellis set Myers a 20 goal target, reported in the EP?

pantherrich said:

Ellis sets his players period targets, not so much season targets.

The trouble with setting period targets is it could lead to puck hogging, and we wouldn't want that would we?

[Rich]

No because the targets are all broken down so it may be so much time on the puck, so many passes, so many hits etc. Altho obviously if your target is 5 shots from the slot your going to be looking to shoot more

[Doughnut]

pantherrich said:

No because the targets are all broken down so it may be so much time on the puck, so many passes, so many hits etc. Altho obviously if your target is 5 shots from the slot your going to be looking to shoot more

And if your target is time on the puck then you're gonna want to hog spend lots of time on the puck, right? All sounds a bit dangerous to me, but then I've never done any coaching training. I've seen how some of these kind of targets lead to absolutely gob-smacking incidents in the NHS though.

[Rich]

hmmm I think they are good guidelines but if your target is to shoot more but you set up a goal for someone you can argue you still did a good job. Depends how its coached I guess