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Post by rangers on Aug 15, 2008 6:48:40 GMT
Stephen Wallace is exactly the guy Steelers should have signed - if he has learnt to play heads up and spot the pass. The guy was brilliant at the Vipers - scored some wonderful goals, and worked his socks off in the corners and on the boards. His line with Bevi and Trummer was great to watch. A missed opportunity by Rob I feel - he could have been a force in this league about now of he had been allowed to play regularly.
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Post by Doom on Aug 15, 2008 7:01:43 GMT
The thing with Wallace is that he doesn't bring anything new to the table for the Steelers.
Is he any more skilled than our 9 current forwards? - The answer is no. Rob Dowd is younger and has more potential than Wallace (IMO), therefore he's the player the Steelers are looking too for the future.
If Wallace was brought in as a 10th forward he'd probably spend a lot of time on the bench, but a player of his quality is probably better off getting regular ice time on a 1st/2nd line with an EPL team or one of the weaker EIHL teams.
Now Andrew Sharp might not be a very skilled hockey player, but as a 10th forward he does bring something different to the Steelers, because he'll be one of the toughest players in our team and probably the most willing to fight.
If he doesn't work out we don't lose anything and he can be shipped out, but if he does work out he might give us that extra 1% that could be the difference between success and failure.
I've no idea how things will work out with Sharp, but I certainly know his signing has increased the level of expectation amongst a number of supporters....and for me that alone is a good thing.
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Post by rangers on Aug 15, 2008 7:46:08 GMT
The thing with Wallace is that he doesn't bring anything new to the table for the Steelers. Whilst I know we are raking over ground that has already been covered, while Wally doesn't bring anything new to the team, Sharp doesn't bring anything to the team. I can see no reason at all for signing this bloke at all. he cant skate, play or fight to an eihl standard. I know he probably is free, but i wouldn't even pay him that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 7:50:12 GMT
The thing with Wallace is that he doesn't bring anything new to the table for the Steelers. Whilst I know we are raking over ground that has already been covered, while Wally doesn't bring anything new to the team, Sharp doesn't bring anything to the team. I can see no reason at all for signing this bloke at all. he cant skate, play or fight to an eihl standard. I know he probably is free, but i wouldn't even pay him that. very true ranger, so Sharpe has appeared in the LNAH , but hes not of a high standard of enforcing anyway . Which enforcer like voth will want to take this guy to the box with them as it won t weaken sheffield , they d prefer to take on Gillies as at least offensively he ll be more of a threat . Give me wallace any day, who has the potential to rake up a few points than sharpe would. I reckon he ll not last the season with sheffield or the scims take him on full time
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Post by Doom on Aug 15, 2008 8:05:31 GMT
Whilst I know we are raking over ground that has already been covered, while Wally doesn't bring anything new to the team, Sharp doesn't bring anything to the team. I can see no reason at all for signing this bloke at all. he cant skate, play or fight to an eihl standard. I know he probably is free, but i wouldn't even pay him that. Having watched his fights on youtube I certainly wouldn't say he can't fight, he looks more than capable as far as I can see. Definately not a heavyweight, but certainly capable of handling the middleweights in the league and I would guess he'll be willing to have a go at the heavyweights, which is all we ask. Like I said, I believe he does offer us something and by signing him we have nothing to lose. I guess we'll see how things work out. Regards Doom
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Post by Shorty on Aug 15, 2008 8:16:49 GMT
Well my last post on the subject.
There are clearly two different trains of thought on this signing, and at this stage of the season that is all they are - thoughts.
I guess time will tell as to whether he is an asset to Steelers, or becomes more of a hinderance to them.
The one thing that is clear is that it has clearly generated interest, which if it generates more money into the sport can only be a good thing. I think the atmosphere at the first Steelers v Panthers game will be increased as we wait to see if he gets onto the ice.
Doom says they have nothing to lose. Financially I agree, but I believe there could be a risk to the team in terms of unnecessary penalties.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Aug 15, 2008 16:51:45 GMT
Sharp, probable points tally 0-5, a heavyweight fighter and enforcer Out of interest, does Sharp count as a heavy? Only going by what it says on HockeyDB, but they have him at 6'1, 205? Bergin-ish territory. As I say, that info might be old. When I speak in terms of heavyweight, middleweight etc I mean class of fighter and not the actual size of the guy. Hope that makes sense chap For instance Neilson at 6'5" and 225lbs is considered a light heavy due to his fighting ability yet Ferone at only 5'10" 185lbs (I think) was considered a heavyweight due to being a very good fighter
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Post by Yotes on Aug 15, 2008 17:11:38 GMT
Aye, make sense, cheers Bramley. So you reckon Sharp is in that league? (I've never seen him fight, even on video, so I've no idea personally).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 17:52:29 GMT
Time to bring the Andrew Sharp debate to a close, but thanks to everyone for keeping it civil so the thread didn't get locked! Just added a new posting regarding the Chris Richards situation and his possible replacement here
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 22:40:41 GMT
Thoughts on the 2 referee system here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 22:18:51 GMT
I've started a preview of each team for the upcoming season and will add my own thoughts on each teams chances over the coming week. The general page is Seson Preview. This will contain the links to each EIHL team. The first two teams I've looked at are our very own Nottingham Panthers and our loveable rivals Sheffield SteelersAll comments welcome.
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Post by Doom on Aug 26, 2008 8:31:34 GMT
I don't know about indignant eye rolling, but here's a few of my own personal observations:
Regarding Sheffield:
1. I'm probably in the minority on this, but I've always thought that Manzano was our weakest defenceman and as such he was the one I wanted replacing.
A lot of people have always suggested he was rock solid, yet I've always thought he gets too easily muscled off the puck and at times struggles to clear his own zone. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good pro and certainly not a liability, but I've always thought he was where we had most scope for upgrade.
2. Again this is a matter of opinion, but I've always seen Gillies as a replacement for Cornish. Before Tessier arrived our form was that of a 2nd or 3rd placed team, after he arrived it was of a 1st placed team.
For me the question is whether the upgrade of Gillies and Basiuk is enough to turn an upper end team into a Championship winning team......I guess time will tell on that.
Regarding Nottingham:
I tend to agree with most of this, you're definately up there with Belfast when it comes to goalscoring depth.
I also think Parley will be an excellent netminder.
I suspect where you finish in the league will come down to the performances of N'dur and Toneys....If they're both very good then I think you can win the league, but if they're average then I don't see you finishing any higher than 4th.
Before you signed Tessier I had you down as a 4th placed team, now I'm having a rethink because you look loaded with goals.
Just as a bit of fun I've been keeping a record of all signings and how many goals I expect them to score based on the last 3 seasons, this is what I've come up with:
Belfast - 215 goals (roster complete) Nottingham - 210 goals (roster complete) Sheffield - 200 goals (roster complete) Coventry - 195 goals (roster complete) Manchester - 175 goals (roster complete) Cardiff - 155 goals (roster complete) Hull - 125 goals (roster complete) Newcastle - 125 goals (1 import defenceman and forward still to sign) Basingstoke - 120 goals (1 import forward still to sign) Edinburgh - 100 goals (2 import forwards to sign)
Unless Peras is exceptional, I really don't fancy Coventry this season, for me Belfast are going to be the team to beat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 11:46:11 GMT
I don't know about indignant eye rolling, but here's a few of my own personal observations: Regarding Sheffield: 1. I'm probably in the minority on this, but I've always thought that Manzano was our weakest defenceman and as such he was the one I wanted replacing. A lot of people have always suggested he was rock solid, yet I've always thought he gets too easily muscled off the puck and at times struggles to clear his own zone. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good pro and certainly not a liability, but I've always thought he was where we had most scope for upgrade. 2. Again this is a matter of opinion, but I've always seen Gillies as a replacement for Cornish. Before Tessier arrived our form was that of a 2nd or 3rd placed team, after he arrived it was of a 1st placed team. For me the question is whether the upgrade of Gillies and Basiuk is enough to turn an upper end team into a Championship winning team......I guess time will tell on that. Regarding Nottingham: I tend to agree with most of this, you're definately up there with Belfast when it comes to goalscoring depth. I also think Parley will be an excellent netminder. I suspect where you finish in the league will come down to the performances of N'dur and Toneys....If they're both very good then I think you can win the league, but if they're average then I don't see you finishing any higher than 4th. Before you signed Tessier I had you down as a 4th placed team, now I'm having a rethink because you look loaded with goals. Just as a bit of fun I've been keeping a record of all signings and how many goals I expect them to score based on the last 3 seasons, this is what I've come up with: Belfast - 215 goals (roster complete) Nottingham - 210 goals (roster complete) Sheffield - 200 goals (roster complete) Coventry - 195 goals (roster complete) Manchester - 175 goals (roster complete) Cardiff - 155 goals (roster complete) Hull - 125 goals (roster complete) Newcastle - 125 goals (1 import defenceman and forward still to sign) Basingstoke - 120 goals (1 import forward still to sign) Edinburgh - 100 goals (2 import forwards to sign) Unless Peras is exceptional, I really don't fancy Coventry this season, for me Belfast are going to be the team to beat. Regards Doom As you probably know Doom, you were the last Sheffield fan I'd be referring to regarding the eye rolling comment! Thank you for the usual well thought out and considered response.
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Post by Doom on Aug 26, 2008 14:15:33 GMT
It's a good read Jono, as you've probably already guessed I do tend to enjoy reading other peoples predictions as to what may or may not happen during the season.
I'll be interested to read your take on the remaining 8 teams in the league.
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Post by ted on Aug 26, 2008 18:19:17 GMT
Is belfasts goal scoring (by you now legendary spreadsheet of doom) the only thing you have them down as the 'team to beat'?
We all know you can score 20 goals a game but if you let in 21 its no use. Dont mean to sound patronising, genuine question
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Post by Doom on Aug 26, 2008 18:40:09 GMT
Is belfasts goal scoring (by you now legendary spreadsheet of doom) the only thing you have them down as the 'team to beat'? We all know you can score 20 goals a game but if you let in 21 its no use. Dont mean to sound patronising, genuine question The goalscoring is obviously by far the main reason, but I'd also add: 1. Their depth - Craze is arguably the best back-up netminder, Walton is one of the better 5th defencemen and Morrison will be one of the best 10th forwards. 2. They have toughness and experience in the shape of Bobby Robins. 3. Burgoyne and Howells come with a very good reputation, particularly Burgoyne who's won a number of league awards. Having said that I do think/hope they will be very offensive minded and as such may leave themselves exposed in defence...A lot may depend on the consistency of Stevie Lyle in goal. For me they do look to be the team to beat, at least on paper, but we'll obviously get a better idea a few weeks into the start of the season. Regards Doom
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Post by Big Dave Steeler on Aug 26, 2008 19:03:33 GMT
Not too bad an article. Dan Tessier - it is a massive risk, and I do think it will be the key decision made in the off season. Will it be that costly, well who knows. What I do think is the 3 weeks of preparation on a team who already know eachover, might allow the new players to hit the ground running, the only time we'll know the answer will be the end of March. As for the Manzano decision, depends upon what you are after as Sarich is one of the higher scoring d men last season, and maybe at times his drive up the ce leaves some holes. Basuik IMO is an improvement and IMO rounds off the defence very well. As for indignant ye rolling, yer aint got the status worthy to roll the eyes Jono
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 19:09:02 GMT
Thanks Dave.
It would have been all to easy to write 'Steelers are going to be rubbish, ner, ner, ner' but that wouldn't have exactly been constructive or good reading! I hope I've managed to put across the reasons why I think Steelers will finish low down in my opinion, and hopefully that will lead to wider, constructive debate.
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Post by Big Dave Steeler on Aug 26, 2008 19:19:34 GMT
Thanks Dave. It would have been all to easy to write 'Steelers are going to be rubbish, ner, ner, ner' but that wouldn't have exactly been constructive or good reading! Oh I dont know, given some of the previous TCW articles haha
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Post by tootoo on Aug 26, 2008 22:55:57 GMT
Really enjoyed reading those profiles, Jono. Definitely a worthy contribution. Not sure about Hull finishing 7th tho, would like to see the rationale behind that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2008 11:09:02 GMT
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Post by panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2008 11:23:04 GMT
excellent jono enjoyed reading them all so far
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Post by ted on Aug 27, 2008 11:57:34 GMT
makes for good reading but still think it will be too close to call between ourselves, Sheff, Cov and Belfast.
Both ourselves, Belfast and Cov have all taken risks with netties IMO. Us with a unknown entity, Belfast with Lyle and if he can keep good form for an entire season on a top level team and Cov with pretty much the same thing. Perras looked good at Caps. He faced a lot of rubber. Did he just look good on a poor team?
Both us and Belfast have Rookie coaches.
I will agree on Sheff totally and I think just looking at it on paper your probably right, Cov do look overall strongest.
but if things work and click (or indeed dont in some cases) its gonna throw a lot of everyone predictions out the window!
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