The Cat's Whiskers - Cold Introduction

[Wolves 66]

Paul,

I read your article and in the context that it was stated took no offence to the term "arena generation."

Our friend Allen uses it to describe people who who he insuates are laughably clueless.

However I still haven't taken offence as I am sure that everything he says is designed to provoke a reaction in the same way that Jeremy Clarkson or Simon Cowell do with the comments they make.

[Wolves 66]

Sorry Allan - didn't mean to mis-spell your name

[jester]

Allan it's ok to moan and slag off everyone else's team and how shortsighted their fans are but don't expect to be able to question your own teams fans

[Deleted]

A short article about my annoyance that the Panthers would rather reel off a list of excuses rather than admit we were beaten by a better side.

Excuses, excuses

[BigLad]

Good writeup Jono.

As for the NEP, apparently our players are "too big" now!!

/sigh

[Stargazer]

I saw the article in the NEP today and was actually gob-smacked with the crap coming from Nielson. The "too big" thing was utter nonsense. This is his 3rd season as a coach in this league and he talks like he hasn't got a clue. I wouldn't expect to hear that from a rookie.

[dp]

The latest article from Allan Decker really annoyed me. Yes, I booed Hicks on Saturday, and yes, some of the decisions i booed probably were correct from a purist perspective (ignoring the purist ones he missed from each side - but it's better to forget them because it doesn't fit with his argument).

How terrible of me to actually get into the game, and show a bit of passion. It's exactly the type of mentality which stops the sport taking off in this country. "This is our sport, and if you don't know the rules then you're not welcome to watch it - and don't show any passion or you're not welcome either".

Boring, boring person - in fact, so much so that I'm starting to think it's a wind up.

[ashfieldpanther]

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Corey's next scouting report for new players, or his opinion of Christiansen and his forwards ?

[pantherdman]

I'd rather have 7000 clueless people, making loads of noise, getting on the refs back, creating an intimidating attmosphere, inspiring and demanding 100% performance from our team. than 7000 people who know all the rules, sitting on there hands in silence TBH.

Even if the ref's call is correct, if it's against Panthers, i'll give him hell for it, hopefully he won't call again.

As for the excusses, is it groudhog day already?? early this year.

[Rob Scott]

Nov 3, 2011 13:20:57 GMT pantherdman said:

I'd rather have 7000 clueless people, making loads of noise, getting on the refs back, creating an intimidating attmosphere, inspiring and demanding 100% performance from our team. than 7000 people who know all the rules, sitting on there hands in silence TBH.

Even if the ref's call is correct, if it's against Panthers, i'll give him hell for it, hopefully he won't call again.

Great post. Agree 100%. I'm all for more noise and intimidation as long as it's kept within the rules. Ie no swearing, throwing things etc.

[ted logan]

Nov 2, 2011 21:16:57 GMT dp said:

The latest article from Allan Decker really annoyed me. Yes, I booed Hicks on Saturday, and yes, some of the decisions i booed probably were correct from a purist perspective (ignoring the purist ones he missed from each side - but it's better to forget them because it doesn't fit with his argument).

How terrible of me to actually get into the game, and show a bit of passion. It's exactly the type of mentality which stops the sport taking off in this country. "This is our sport, and if you don't know the rules then you're not welcome to watch it - and don't show any passion or you're not welcome either".

I like that

I sit behind what can be best described as a row of tailors dummies. All be-decked in their finest array of NHL replica/Panthers shirts. All probably have a good knowledge of the game; but come on people - at least show a bit of passion. When we score? When we win? No? Ok, just sit there and pass knowing/dirty looks at the more passionate fans that dare to express a bit of emotion

The current set up is way too nice - "please show your appreciation for the <insert team name> as they skate onto the ice". Is that the welcome we get at Blaze/Shef/Devils? Do we want them to feel welcome? Do we want them to feel at home?

Please don't boo the ref; why not? Shall we just let him think that when it comes to a 50/50 call he's going to go against us because those nice panthers fan aren't supposed to boo a bad call?

"Please show your appreciation for <insert team name here> as they leave the ice". We don't mind that you've just beat us. Oh and don't forget to hero worship one of their players because he used to play for us. Even if he has just played a part in us losing

And now please throw some sweets/chocolates at our players even when they've played badly and lost.

I remember years ago in the old barn how Jim Lynch (Ayr coach at the time) said it was like playing a goal down all the time because of the atmosphere etc. He said he could hear the abuse and the comments; he stated (wrongly) that the fans were constantly swearing and spitting at their bench.

Too nice. Too sterile. Just my opinion of course

[ted logan]

Nov 3, 2011 13:23:42 GMT Rob Scott said:

Nov 3, 2011 13:20:57 GMT pantherdman said:

I'd rather have 7000 clueless people, making loads of noise, getting on the refs back, creating an intimidating attmosphere, inspiring and demanding 100% performance from our team. than 7000 people who know all the rules, sitting on there hands in silence TBH.

Even if the ref's call is correct, if it's against Panthers, i'll give him hell for it, hopefully he won't call again.

Great post. Agree 100%. I'm all for more noise and intimidation as long as it's kept within the rules. Ie no swearing, throwing things etc.

Missed these posts while i was waffling on!!

100% agree though

[pantherdman]

Your post is 100% spot on also Ted, Panthers organisation is way too nice, we need to be nasty and ruthless if we ever want to win the league.

The Soft touch is clearly transfering to the players, that imo is one of the reasons they go off the boil by xmas, thats how long it takes them to work out what they can get away with.
I believe the fans can help change this mentality by demanding victories. look what happens when Real Madrid play poorly or the ref makes a bad call, they get villified.

[ted logan]

Nov 3, 2011 13:53:27 GMT pantherdman said:

Your post is 100% spot on also Ted, Panthers organisation is way too nice, we need to be nasty and ruthless if we ever want to win the league.

Exactly - the rest of the league already hate us even though we bend over backwards to make them feel welcome at our place and help to subsidise their incomes by taking a decent away support to their rinks. I've read plenty of articles/posts from other fans and as yet, not one of them has totally justified the hatred - apart from the obvious local rivalries that you get in any sport.

So why not have them hate us even more through being nasty, through being ruthless? Through not giving a stuff how they feel in our barn? And lastly, by (dare i say it) being the most successful 'on-ice' team and winning the league.

Or is being 'knowledgable' and 'nice' and 'profitable' more important?

[Pies]

TBH I think we're also too nice with our entrance video - why not make special ones for when we have certain teams come into the building - for example, when Sheffield come down have Lachos playoff goal, Shmyr skating down the Sheffiled bench trying to get fist bumps after scoring, some of the bench clearance action going on - remind the fans what we've done against these teams in the past to get the juices flowing!

Also the music - we come out to RATM, why not have a similar vain of music - not this sit along clapping nonsense.

[texpef]

Nov 3, 2011 13:20:57 GMT pantherdman said:

I'd rather have 7000 clueless people, making loads of noise, getting on the refs back, creating an intimidating attmosphere, inspiring and demanding 100% performance from our team. than 7000 people who know all the rules, sitting on there hands in silence TBH.

Even if the ref's call is correct, if it's against Panthers, i'll give him hell for it, hopefully he won't call again.

As for the excusses, is it groudhog day already?? early this year.

We have seen this away from the arena, home fans get on the back of the ref and he then is "swayed" into a decision based on the home reaction (im looking at you Hicks.....)... Might be nice to actually get a ref who favours the home team at the NIC for a change

[Deleted]

This weeks Allan Decker article is now online.

Today Allan looks at Brits and their development.

Tie Down The Jersey with Allan Decker #4

[pantherdman]

I actually agree with Decker this week, lets get some youth offenders in, get them skating, give them a stick, point at a player and say 'kill!'. any suspention to a Brit is pointless, we'll just bring out the next one.

[iginla]

Seems to be pretty much what Cloutier is doing with that Chamberlain kid at Hull,send him out to wind up the opposition players.
Yes the kid can play a bit too i understand,but i would love to have seen whether somebody like Penner would have respected his face cage ?

Maybe he would,but its a dangerous game to play.

[Deleted]

A two-part article. Firstly about Steelers fans reaction to their latest defeat to us, and more seriously about some of the distasteful comments we received on Saturday's TCW Live coverage.

I'm guessing we won?

[Pies]

I hope TCW doesnt call it a day because a minority of people who try to ruin it. It's a great service which i have used multiple times and use every away game i cant get to.

As for Steelers fans - i think the latin phrase GM coined becomes relevant again

"Let them hate, so long as they fear" or something along those lines.

[Deleted]

Nov 14, 2011 22:07:54 GMT Pies said:

I hope TCW doesnt call it a day because a minority of people who try to ruin it. It's a great service which i have used multiple times and use every away game i cant get to.

Don't worry, I'm not thinking of finishing it at all, it's just that on Saturday night some of the comments made me think if it was all worth it for that game.

[Pies]

Nov 14, 2011 22:09:47 GMT Jono Bullard said:

Nov 14, 2011 22:07:54 GMT Pies said:

I hope TCW doesnt call it a day because a minority of people who try to ruin it. It's a great service which i have used multiple times and use every away game i cant get to.

Don't worry, I'm not thinking of finishing it at all, it's just that on Saturday night some of the comments made me think if it was all worth it for that game.

Thats good news then!

[Shaggy]

Nov 14, 2011 22:09:47 GMT Jono Bullard said:

Nov 14, 2011 22:07:54 GMT Pies said:

I hope TCW doesnt call it a day because a minority of people who try to ruin it. It's a great service which i have used multiple times and use every away game i cant get to.

Don't worry, I'm not thinking of finishing it at all, it's just that on Saturday night some of the comments made me think if it was all worth it for that game.

It's worth it, Jono... whatever you may have doubts about, have no doubt about that at all. There are other online update services run by some other fanbases... but none of them come close to TCW (I know - I've tried them). I think the attendance figures that you consistently get are a good indication of that. Maybe those abusive Steelers fans just can't handle reality - that their club is not the be-all and end-all, and that they don't have anything that comes up to the quality of TCW.

[Shaggy]

Nov 14, 2011 22:07:54 GMT Pies said:

As for Steelers fans - i think the latin phrase GM coined becomes relevant again

"Let them hate, so long as they fear" or something along those lines.

"Oderin dum metuant"... as you say - "Let them hate, so long as they fear".

It's been a long time since I did Latin O-level (I'm showing my age! ;D) so I can't translate very well any more... I wonder what the Latin is for "Let them squeal, so long as they lose"?