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Post by Rich on Apr 29, 2010 10:18:29 GMT
From the horses mouth, Ray Trew:
"The reason I have let Kasper go on a free is not his current wage its his wages in years 3, 4 and 5 of his contract. I am not going to reveal what they are because that would be inappropriate but lets just say we could field a championship side for less or equal money to that of his salary.
In addition its all well and good thinking we could get a £2million transfer fee and we possibly could have. But the reality of the situation is the player hasn't asked for a transfer and therefore unless the buying club matched his deal we were liable for any shortfall. That shortfall would have exceeded any fee we could have received."
Also: "The door has been left open by Kasper and his representatives in so far as if he doesn't get a club where he is No1 he could return on a new deal"
Intresting stuff. Munto really did just make it up as they went along!
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Post by sunbeam on Apr 29, 2010 11:21:15 GMT
Intresting stuff. Munto really did just make it up as they went along! Sadly many people swallowed it whole and slagged off those of us who warned - it'll all end in tears. If something sounds too good to be true.......... That's worth remembering when you hear politicians promising not to cut services. You have to cut and it will be painful. Pompey fans have found that out to their cost. As will Hull now.
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Post by kilner on May 2, 2010 18:17:34 GMT
Its good to see that Countys recent sucess has generated so many 'new' fans.
The amount of people in County shirts in town yesterday was unbelievable, where did they all come from?!
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Post by Rich on May 4, 2010 10:32:36 GMT
Its good to see that Countys recent sucess has generated so many 'new' fans. The amount of people in County shirts in town yesterday was unbelievable, where did they all come from?! Crazy isnt it. Iv said all along, despite much ridicule and banter at times, Notts are a decent sized club with a dormant fanbase. Those fans will be "diehard, lifelong fans" who go to the odd game all coming out of the woodwork. Iv been going through the bad times and I can totally see why people have stayed away! I dont begrudge any "fan" who would rather spend £18 on something else to be honest! For an AWAY game at Fulham in the cup this season, we took the average HOME gate 2 seasons ago (around 4000). Admittedly it was a big day for Notts fans, but I honestly beleive the dormant fan base Iv said is there all along is waking up. The amount of car stickers Iv seen as well is incredible. I see more Notts stickers around town all week than Forest, easily. The trouble is, as fast as they came, lots will go again if we cant sustain a respectable position. IF we can go for playoffs next season (RT says we will have the budget for it), with some decent away crowds next season it will get even better. Go into administration though and lose Cotterill and its back to playing in front of 4000 again every week.
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Post by NP on May 17, 2010 21:01:37 GMT
It looks like Cotterill is off, he is in talks to be Coventry's new manager. I'm waiting for next season's relegation markets to open, Sky bet have Notts as 6th favourites at 14/1 to win league 1 next season which is laughable.
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Post by Rich on May 19, 2010 16:01:33 GMT
It looks like Cotterill is off, he is in talks to be Coventry's new manager. I'm waiting for next season's relegation markets to open, Sky bet have Notts as 6th favourites at 14/1 to win league 1 next season which is laughable. Based on what? The fact the chairman has confirmed we will have a top7 budget guarenteed? Weve got half a squad to sign yet. Cotterill has stated on record again, hes NOT going to Cov. Great post other than that Weve got about 9 players to sign yet, and a manger. If the manager is SC or equivalent, and the 9 players are better than what weve got, we can push for the playoffs certainly. If they are all fillers, we wont. Either way, putting money on predictions for the season this season makes as much sense as throwing it up in the air and hoping you catch it.
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Post by sunbeam on May 20, 2010 11:38:43 GMT
It looks like Cotterill is off, he is in talks to be Coventry's new manager. I'm waiting for next season's relegation markets to open, Sky bet have Notts as 6th favourites at 14/1 to win league 1 next season which is laughable. Based on what? The fact the chairman has confirmed we will have a top7 budget guarenteed? Weve got half a squad to sign yet. The Notts County owner guarantees that the money is in place? Start worrying.
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Post by sunbeam on May 27, 2010 16:10:47 GMT
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Post by Shorty on May 28, 2010 7:04:55 GMT
From Sky Sports
Elaborating on his reasons for leaving Notts County, Cotterill added: "The budget wasn't quite what I expected it to be. I'm not saying it was a bad one but it wasn't quite what I expected it to be."
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Post by sunbeam on May 28, 2010 7:45:18 GMT
Jim Magilton being linked.
My mates have renewed their ST's already (to get the discount) so now expect all the bad news to start rolling. One of my mates expects relegation so he's prepared himself for gloom.
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Post by Rich on May 28, 2010 8:23:49 GMT
My mates have renewed their ST's already (to get the discount) so now expect all the bad news to start rolling. One of my mates expects relegation so he's prepared himself for gloom. Does he sit in the Pavis stand by any chance? It doesnt take long for the doom and gloom forecasters to come out in Nottingham sport (not a dig, but a very blatent fact year after year) The most disappointing thing is the lack of budget for sure. If SC took the Portsmouth job but we replaced him with a top end manager and put a good budget in placed Id be comfortable with him leaving. It does seem strange though that hes walking away over the budget, so it suggests to me its nothing like he was expecting, rather than just a couple of thousand a week difference. Then again, hes taken so long to decide I guess it could have been close, hence how drawn out the discussions have been. Ray Trew wont have seen the miserable, negative side of the Notts fanbase yet though, and I hope for the clubs sake he doesnt have to see it this early on in his reign. Edit: Here are the odds for next manager at the moment: Craig Short 3/1 Alan Knill 6/1 Brendan Rodgers 8/1 Paul Ince 9/1 Dave Penney 11/1 George Burley 12/1 Steve Clarke 12/1 John Ward 12/1 Jim Magilton 14/1 Gary Speed 14/1 David Holdsworth 16/1 Peter Grant 16/1 Glenn Roeder 16/1 Chris Coleman 16/1 Sammy McIlroy 16/1 Dennis Wise 16/1 Phil Brown 16/1 Gareth Southgate 18/1 Mark Venus 22/1 Paul Tisdale 22/1 Jim Gannon 22/1 Paul Jewell 22/1 Peter Jackson 25/1 David Platt 25/1 Mark Cooper 25/1 Martin Allen 25/1 Kevin Keegan 25/1 Paul Simpson 25/1 Peter Taylor 25/1 Iain Dowie 25/1 Lawrie Sanchez 25/1 Mike Newell 25/1 Joe Kinnear 25/1 Nicky Law 25/1 Steve Nicol 25/1 Steve Thompson 25/1 Ian McParland 28/1 Martin Foyle 28/1 John Barnes 33/1 As long as its not Thompson, Holdsworth or Barnes, theres some decent names on there. Rodgers,Ince and Burley are the names that stand out for me at the top, Id be delighted with the first 2 for sure. At a bit more of a push, jewell, Roeder, Mcilroy,Brown and Wise would all be good shouts. I cant see me getting excited about seeing Short in the dugout though. We havnt poached a good manager since Warnock, and he wasnt exactly a world famous name until he got to Notts.
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Post by sunbeam on May 28, 2010 9:48:54 GMT
Cotterill is a smaller name than many on that list. His demands would probably be less than theirs. Those bigger names can probably be ruled out therefore unless there is a guy who is 'happy to slum it' (that sounds like a dig but isn't intended as one).
I reckon it'll turn out to be a person with a link with the club but not much of a managerial name. Craig Short is that sort of person.
I assume the club is at least £5m in debt and still losing money. Maybe Trew has invested millions but I doubt it. If he had I would imagine Cotterill would have stayed.
My mate would not see himself as a whinger. He gave it loads about how Notts were going to overtake Forest and ate up the Munto myth. Once the scales fell from his eyes he's been very 'realistic'.
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Post by Rich on May 28, 2010 10:04:52 GMT
Cotterill is a smaller name than many on that list. His demands would probably be less than theirs. Those bigger names can probably be ruled out therefore unless there is a guy who is 'happy to slum it' (that sounds like a dig but isn't intended as one). I reckon it'll turn out to be a person with a link with the club but not much of a managerial name. Craig Short is that sort of person. I assume the club is at least £5m in debt and still losing money. Maybe Trew has invested millions but I doubt it. If he had I would imagine Cotterill would have stayed. My mate would not see himself as a whinger. He gave it loads about how Notts were going to overtake Forest and ate up the Munto myth. Once the scales fell from his eyes he's been very 'realistic'. You said he "expects relegation", thats not realistic its pure negativity. In the same way expecting automatic promotion is not realistic, its blind optimism. Trew has stemmed the flow, hes halved the clubs debt and expects it to be debt free by the turn of the year. I presume it will be in loans to the club though from him rather than unconditional investment, but it would be good to have everyone paid off and settled and just one person owed money. In the meantime though, obviously our budget is going to be realistic but its not in the clubs intrest to risk relegation, so I think it will still be pretty healthy.
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Post by Dan on May 28, 2010 11:29:33 GMT
Don't think you'll get Brendan Rodgers, he's off to someone as assistant manager this week.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 1, 2010 11:13:35 GMT
Ince is supposed to have been at ML. That’d be a poor choice. He’s not a good manager and was carried by his coaches when he was first at MKD apparently. Didn’t have them at Blackburn and didn’t have them on his return to MKD.
Southgate has been invited for an interview. Be surprised if he is so desperate to drop to a L1 club.
And Craig Short too. He seems much more likely.
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Post by Adam on Jun 1, 2010 11:55:51 GMT
Also according to Sky Sports News, Pierre Littbarski is in the frame for the job too along with 7 others..
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Post by Rich on Jun 1, 2010 12:03:54 GMT
Lots of people in the frame, Trew isnt giving much away though as you would expect. What Ince did at Macclesfield was heroic, he did a good job then at MKD before proving he isnt a premiership manager and MKD wasnt the same club when he went back. Hardly a disastrous track record. Id be happy enough, certainly more proven than Short.
Theres also talk of Steve Clarke, but having read a document detailing West Hams wages (and you can work out for yourself he will be on good money) I dont think he would come to Notts for 5% of that,even if it would give him chance to break into management.
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Post by Rich on Jun 2, 2010 9:21:19 GMT
The evening post reports what Ray Trew has said since the weekend, the new manager will be named Friday, or Monday at the latest.
Peter Taylor would be his choice but RT isnt prepared to pay the Compo package to Bradford but there are lots of other good candidates out there. Id still be happy with Ince TBH.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 2, 2010 11:39:29 GMT
Ince is said to be in pole.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jun 2, 2010 12:26:15 GMT
I reckon Ince could do a good job, have a mate who is a big Blackburn fan and he was totally the wrong choice for them however I don't think that makes him a bad manager, he was just out of his depth. I think the lower leagues are where his style will bring the best results as he's one of those guys who creates a team of guys willing to run through brick walls for each other - that just doesn't wash at Prem level for very long, too many spoilt brats masquerading as footballers.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 4, 2010 9:27:02 GMT
Any rumours?
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Post by dodit on Jun 4, 2010 10:15:59 GMT
Southgate has been invited for an interview. Be surprised if he is so desperate to drop to a L1 club. You know what though, if he's smart enough, he would drop down. Because then it would give him chance to prove himself rather than being at a premier league team who were certain to come down anyway as in my opinion they always under performed, so by doing well with an average team, and maybe looking at getting some stability in league one with county, and then long term pushing for promotion, will make Southgate's managerial abilities as good as they actually are. I don't think he's a bad manager, he was just unlucky that middlesborough were on the down when he took over.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jun 4, 2010 10:30:47 GMT
Southgate has been invited for an interview. Be surprised if he is so desperate to drop to a L1 club. You know what though, if he's smart enough, he would drop down. Because then it would give him chance to prove himself rather than being at a premier league team who were certain to come down anyway as in my opinion they always under performed, so by doing well with an average team, and maybe looking at getting some stability in league one with county, and then long term pushing for promotion, will make Southgate's managerial abilities as good as they actually are. I don't think he's a bad manager, he was just unlucky that middlesborough were on the down when he took over. He's a very clever guy, out of the limelight I think he'll excel, my only question would be does he have the balls to be a real top class manager of players? I have heard rumblings that he's a bit of a wet lettuce (and he comes across that way too) and sometimes you have to play hardball to keep guys in line. Certainly wouldn't be a bad move to bring him in but the flexibility would have to be on his side to accept reduced wages compared to what he's used to / expected. Like I say though, he is a very intelligent guy and if he thinks it's right for him I don't think he'd be opposed to dropping down - lets face it he is from the generation where he will have made a mint as a player, money wont be top of his short term wish list and some short term sacrifice may well bring long term gain.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 4, 2010 11:12:28 GMT
Out of Ince, burley or Short I'd take Burley everytime.
Short would be the cheapo option.
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Post by Rich on Jun 4, 2010 11:24:07 GMT
Intresting points, pretty much the thoughts of the guys on the Notts forums.
Southgate is being very well paid by the media to be out in South Africa for the world cup, which some have said rules him out as we need someone who can hit the ground running. Would be happy with Burley or Ince as either can do that.
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