Violence in rome

[dodit]

11 Manchester United fans sent to hospital with injuries after roma vs man u game last night.

Lucky only 2 of the fans had to stay over night.

To make things worse man u lost 2-1

[sunbeam]

UEFA should throw the book at Roma an Man U.

Do it again and they should be facing games behind closed doors.

[dodit]

Just realised that is the second time manchester united fans have been involved with violence abroad this season.

[loonypeter]

dodit said:

Just realised that is the second time manchester united fans have been involved with violence abroad this season.

I didnt watch the match so i dont know what happened on this occaision but it seems a tad harsh to lay much blame on them for the incidents against lille.

Foreign police do seem a little too eager to whip the batons out when English fans are involved, happened again in Seville tonight

[Doughnut]

loonypeter said:

Foreign police do seem a little too eager to whip the batons out when English fans are involved, happened again in Seville tonight

I think they're pretty happy to whip the batons out wherever the fans are from. However, from the footage I saw on the news, the Man U lot were hardly blameless. I'm sure there were a few unfortunate ones who got caught in the cross-fire, but it looked to me that the majority of Man U fans that got a beating were trying to charge through a barrier to get at the Roma fans - provocation is no excuse - if it was me I'd be trying to go in the opposite direction!

The Tottenham lot hardly looked like innocent bystanders last night either.

[dodit]

loonypeter said:

dodit said:

Just realised that is the second time manchester united fans have been involved with violence abroad this season.

I didnt watch the match so i dont know what happened on this occaision but it seems a tad harsh to lay much blame on them for the incidents against lille.

Foreign police do seem a little too eager to whip the batons out when English fans are involved, happened again in Seville tonight

I wasnt implying that the violence in lille was the fans fault i just said that the fans were involved.

[loonypeter]

doughnut said:

loonypeter said:

Foreign police do seem a little too eager to whip the batons out when English fans are involved, happened again in Seville tonight

I think they're pretty happy to whip the batons out wherever the fans are from. However, from the footage I saw on the news, the Man U lot were hardly blameless. I'm sure there were a few unfortunate ones who got caught in the cross-fire, but it looked to me that the majority of Man U fans that got a beating were trying to charge through a barrier to get at the Roma fans - provocation is no excuse - if it was me I'd be trying to go in the opposite direction!

The Tottenham lot hardly looked like innocent bystanders last night either.

It seems to me that foreign police cause more problems than they solve by being too heavy handed, when people feel hard done by they tend to react (especially in the macho world of watching football away from home) and the situation spirals out of control.

Im not for one second saying that all the english fans involved are blameless but the police always seem to have a big part when English fans go away.

SPIKE™ said:

I wasnt implying that the violence in lille was the fans fault i just said that the fans were involved.

Ok sorry i misintrepreted your post

[Doughnut]

loonypeter said:

It seems to me that foreign police cause more problems than they solve by being too heavy handed, when people feel hard done by they tend to react (especially in the macho world of watching football away from home) and the situation spirals out of control.

Im not for one second saying that all the english fans involved are blameless but the police always seem to have a big part when English fans go away.

It certainly appears to be reported that way in our press. The behaviour of some of the Italian police that was shown on the news was definitely out of order. I still think that most if not all of the Man U fans that ended up in hospital could easily have been better off by making sure they weren't involved though. They should know by now that if you behave like that in stadiums in certain countries you're going to get a slap from the cops. So why try and get at the Roma fans instead of just walking off in the other direction?

It'd be interesting to hear what shinobi makes of all this, I'm sure he'll be along before long ...

[loonypeter]

The media probably do exaggerate these stories but it doesnt mean what is happening isnt at least partly true.

There are stories coming out of Seville that an 11 year old girl and a man in a wheelchair were hit by baton wielding police officers - hardly tottenhams hooligan element!

Foreign police could really do with following the example of British police - stop the hooligans before they get into the ground not once they're in it + congregated together.

It has never been safer to watch football in England due to effective policing measures, there is no reason why it should be different on the continent.

[jaycourtney]

football violence is unpolicable.
theirs too many gangs not enough police.

[Doughnut]

loonypeter said:

There are stories coming out of Seville that an 11 year old girl and a man in a wheelchair were hit by baton wielding police officers - hardly tottenhams hooligan element!

To be honest I wouldn't believe any of these stories unless I see video evidence or it's witnessed by someone I know and trust.

loonypeter said:

The media probably do exaggerate these stories but it doesnt mean what is happening isnt at least partly true.

Foreign police could really do with following the example of British police - stop the hooligans before they get into the ground not once they're in it + congregated together.

It has never been safer to watch football in England due to effective policing measures, there is no reason why it should be different on the continent.

Can't argue with any of that.

[Higgy]

The kind of violence in Rome happens every week in Serie A, the police dont know how else to react than get the batons out, especially since one of them was killed in Scilly. Its all well and good saying the Utd fans should of just walked away but when tempers are fraught and taunting persists its unlikey that many men would walk away from a fight, if someone hit me i'd hit them back policeman or no policeman

[Doughnut]

higgy said:

Its all well and good saying the Utd fans should of just walked away but when tempers are fraught and taunting persists its unlikey that many men would walk away from a fight, if someone hit me i'd hit them back policeman or no policeman

You make your choice and accept the consequences I guess. Personally as soon as the Roma fans started chucking stuff over the barrier and some of the Man U fans and police started looking feisty I'd have been out of there.

[martinski83]

For those interested, this weekends Serie A match between Roma and Catania will be played behind closed doors because apparantly the two sets of fans dont get on too well.

The match will also be played at Lecce's ground, not the Stadio Olimpico in Rome. I pretty certain that due to current enforcements by the Italian FA (FIGC), fans aren't allowed in the Stadio Olimpico for FIGC governed competitions (League and Cup) because it's one of the grounds that the FIGC decided wasnt safe for rival fans.

[sawchuk]

jaycourtney said:

football violence is unpolicable.

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Milkman™]

sunbeam said:

UEFA should throw the book at Roma an Man U.

Do it again and they should be facing games behind closed doors.

Typical scouser answer.

The goings on in Roma where a little different to the events portrayed on Sky, take it from me.

[Doughnut]

therapy said:

The goings on in Roma where a little different to the events portrayed on Sky, take it from me.

That's no surprise, but care to elaborate for those of us without the insider info?

[jaycourtney]

sawchuk said:

jaycourtney said:

football violence is unpolicable.

How did you come to that conclusion?

well theirs only a few policemen/women at football games, theirs thousands of riotors.

[sawchuk]

jaycourtney said:

sawchuk said:

How did you come to that conclusion?

well theirs only a few policemen/women at football games, theirs thousands of riotors.

I think you're getting confused with scenes that happen regularly at games (football violence happens, despite what Sky say) and what happened at Euro 2000 for instance.

Trouble makers are invariably guys who have been on the ale and are either drunk and start gobbing off at police or opposition fans or it's a team's "risk element" who just want to gob off at police or opposition fans.

;D

I did a football escort from Blackburn yesterday with Villa fans and out of 100 fans who were classed as risk, only 5 got locked up.

For gobbing off.

;D

[sunbeam]

therapy said:

sunbeam said:

UEFA should throw the book at Roma an Man U.

Do it again and they should be facing games behind closed doors.

Typical scouser answer.

The goings on in Roma where a little different to the events portrayed on Sky, take it from me.

Since when have I been a Scouser?

Man U have a trouble element. They were at it in Rome like they have been in France. And they were at it at Anfield a few weeks ago and some of them were kicked out in the 2nd half. I know because they told me after the game.

Problem abroad is that the Ultras have way too much control. Rome in particular is mayhem with Lazio's far right band and Roma's far left lot. Spain isn't much better. Then there's Holland, Turkey, Greece, Eastern Europe.........

We only sorted our mess out because Maggie stamped on football in the 80s and the sky money came in just after the Taylor report.


ps Apparently the banning orders are up after Euro 2000 and there's worries many of them could return. Good job McClown and Hell Tel are making sure we don't make it to Euro 2008!!

[Dan]

Thank god UEFA and/or FIFA haven't decided to give Euro 2012 to the Italians. It would have been a bloodbath.

[Frodo]

upshall said:

Thank god UEFA and/or FIFA haven't decided to give Euro 2012 to the Italians. It would have been a bloodbath.

Yeah and how gutted are the italians. the world champs losing to Poland and Ukraine (those great footballing powers), and lets not forget the close competition of the combined bid of Croatia and Hungary!!

[sunbeam]

upshall said:

Thank god UEFA and/or FIFA haven't decided to give Euro 2012 to the Italians. It would have been a bloodbath.

Have you not seen the violence or heard the racism at Polish matches?

[Higgy]

Indeed the violence at Polish games is much worse than in Italy