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Post by texpef on Dec 7, 2004 18:45:48 GMT
not sure about the professional approach there hitchy as the underlying rumours doing the rounds then was that the celebratory finale was cut dramatically short as the "wrong" team won ;D ;D also noticed the balloons they did release have a distinct teal and orange tinge but hey who cares WE WON!! ;D ;D
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Post by firefly on Dec 7, 2004 20:33:58 GMT
not sure about the professional approach there hitchy as the underlying rumours doing the rounds then was that the celebratory finale was cut dramatically short as the "wrong" team won ;D ;D also noticed the balloons they did release have a distinct teal and orange tinge but hey who cares WE WON!! ;D ;D And the operative word there being highlighted for you texpef. I'm surprised you noticed the colour of the balloons texpef. But then that speaks volumes. Even in such rare victory there was bitterness.
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Post by firefly on Dec 7, 2004 20:35:40 GMT
the target audience at home games is also the steelers fans, yet any one can also listen to him and see the games so why is it any different, he wouldn't be allowded to say it there so why on the radio? Maybe because Radio Sheffield isnt bound by IIHF rules as regards announcing.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 7, 2004 20:39:43 GMT
I have sit back and watched this thread develope, and have to say that a mountain of a molehill has been made. I think the whole situation needs to start in its clearest terms. Here you have three hockey fans, making personal insults, and spreading their 'hatred' in a PUBLIC DOMAIN. Now add in the fact that DS was doing commentary, the balance does seem to weigh against DS, however - nothing has changed much considering it is still in the public domain. Shaggy - you say you only post on 2 forums (Cage and THF) but considering there are team officials, and on ice officials who read and post on THF, I think you are spreading your hatred, towards the same audience as DS has - to Ice Hockey Fans. You say you cannot contact him, well you could have, and it has already been posted, and considering Kerry was IN Coventry, the only way you could not reply was by not knowing the number. I am pleased to see HL not throw the toys out of the prams, and moaned about it, because as has already been stated by NOTTINGHAM fans, what do you expect when you do exactly the same. One of the phrases you constantly come out with is 'reap what ye sow' - well I think shaggy, you have reaped this weekend!! BDS - as usual on this subject, you have got it completely a**e about face. When oh when are you lot going to open your eyes to your towering hypocrisy? DS The BS (aka "The High Priest Of Hate") is the main reason for the culture of dislike that has sprung up between our fanbases. It is a deliberate and systematic campaign of hatred (his word, remember!) and contempt. It is an obsession that has him going on about us even during games that don't involve us. And it has gone on for years. So much so, that you have all basically accepted it as 'the way things are' - just look at the way you all try to either defend him or dismiss it as being the natural order of things. Yet - and here's the hypocrisy - if anyone dares to object, to point all of this out.... you immediately turn on that person and villify them! YOU ARE ALL HYPOCRITES!!!I am not perfect by any means, and I have never claimed to be so. But I do not spread hatred of an opposing fanbase, or of everyone and everything to do with a particular city. ..... My objections are now and always have been directed solely at the individual who has stoked the hatred, and those muppets that blindly follow him..... you well know this, BDS - else I wouldn't have been happily chatting to you in Sheffield earlier this season, would I? But you attack me for a lesser crime than those that Simms commits over and over again - and yet you fail to see the wrong in his actions? Not one of you has ever been able to sit down and post an honest and sensible defence for Simms' campaign of contempt - primarily against us, but his contempt for other teams and leagues is hardly hidden, now is it? The man is riding his ego, shooting his mouth off like that, no doubt because he gets some serious jollies from it (bet he types his diatribes one-handed) - and yet, whilst you happily shoot other people down in flames for saying this, that or the other..... it's always "oh, that's just his style" or "ignore him, he'll go away" or "he's only doing it to get a rise out of people". And does any of that make it right? Does any of that make what he says and does excusable? It is quite obvious that you would not accept similar from anyone else.... so why accept it from him? Oh - and BDS? Totally incorrect..... seeing as I did not say that, nor did I know about the broadcast, nor would I have any cause to listen to one of his broadcasts. Plus I was in Scotland at the time, as has been pointed out. What I did say was that Simms uses methods of getting across his contempt that simply are not available to the rest of us.... I have no microphone, I make no radio broadcasts, I deal with no journalists, I write in no programme. He can spread his bile in numerous ways, and I cannot respond..... except on a forum such as this... oh, but you don't want me to do that either, do you? Pity you don't make any similar effort to stop him, isn't it? Get a sense of proportion, and stop the problem at the source - the individual who has caused it all..... Simms.
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Post by Admin on Dec 7, 2004 21:16:35 GMT
but his contempt for other teams and leagues is hardly hidden, now is it? No, it isn't .... but there isn't thread after thread on those other teams forums devoted to the man! Also Shagster (admin note) .... please have a look at the last sentence of your post, it seems poorly worded and could be read in a way that you didn't quite intend!
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 7, 2004 21:41:53 GMT
Also Shagster (admin note) .... please have a look at the last sentence of your post, it seems poorly worded and could be read in a way that you didn't quite intend! Hmmmm..... good point, I hadn't noticed that. Feel free to moderatorously edit it to be more indicative of what you know I meant.......
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Post by firefly on Dec 7, 2004 22:23:59 GMT
Again you talk of Simms contempt for other teams. Again I ask you to show us evidence of his contempt for 'other teams' He has demonstrated his contempt for Nottingham whether rightly or wrongly. As for other teams? Who? He has said no more about other teams than other teams have said about any other organisation in hockey.
Tell you what though Shaggy. I wont be a hypocrite. You bring it on yourself by constantly biting, by constantly (as has been mentioned by others on here) bringing matters back to all things Simms. Look at your post above. Could you get the lettering any bigger? Could you display anymore venom in that one sentence towards your own?
You set yourself up as a target, (and whether you realise it or not, as a 'Voice of British IceHockey on various forum) - you will be shot at. You make yourself as bad as Simms sometimes. And so the circle continues.
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Post by texpef on Dec 8, 2004 8:47:24 GMT
firefly too busy celebrating to be bitter, as for the balloons yes i noticed but then i tend to notice alot of things. Only thing i saw was bitterness on behalf of the steelers fans i encountered on the way out and the fact that the white suited one couldnt give it the full monty he had set up for his own teams celebrations, but hey that made the victory EVEN sweeter!! ;D
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Post by Milkman™ on Dec 8, 2004 9:13:05 GMT
Get a sense of proportion, and stop the problem at the source - the individual who has caused it all..... Simms. Shaggy, i am sure you were sat with me the day he took a stanley knife to an inflatable toy. Thats the day he should have been thrown out of British ice hockey for good. However been the coward that he is, he sent Torchie out with a tenner and his apologies. Ill never forget that day, and for that he has my utter contempt.
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Post by firefly on Dec 8, 2004 12:20:06 GMT
Shaggy, i am sure you were sat with me the day he took a stanley knife to an inflatable toy. Thats the day he should have been thrown out of British ice hockey for good. However been the coward that he is, he sent Torchie out with a tenner and his apologies. Ill never forget that day, and for that he has my utter contempt. So you witnessed this action yet took none yourselves?
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Post by Rhino#13 on Dec 8, 2004 12:35:51 GMT
I was there, Therapy. The whole block was ready to go up in flames. The child's Mum complained to the Rink Manager (or similar) who was seriously unimpressed. I believe she made a formal complaint, but quite what weight that carried, God knows.
What action were we all supposed to take, Firefly ? Most were stood in shock at what we couldn't quite believe had just happened. Suppose we could've jumped the barriers and rioted, but hey we're hockey fans. We thankfully don't behave like that. Anyway, this is rehashing VERY, VERY old ground and has all been said before, so I won't continue it any further.
On the 'one-eyed' thing, I used to chat a bit now and again with Simms on email some time before this incident and if its any consolation he describes himself as 'one-eyed' too.
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Post by firefly on Dec 8, 2004 13:51:34 GMT
I was there, Therapy. The whole block was ready to go up in flames. The child's Mum complained to the Rink Manager (or similar) who was seriously unimpressed. I believe she made a formal complaint, but quite what weight that carried, God knows. What action were we all supposed to take, Firefly ? Most were stood in shock at what we couldn't quite believe had just happened. Suppose we could've jumped the barriers and rioted, but hey we're hockey fans. We thankfully don't behave like that. Anyway, this is rehashing VERY, VERY old ground and has all been said before, so I won't continue it any further. On the 'one-eyed' thing, I used to chat a bit now and again with Simms on email some time before this incident and if its any consolation he describes himself as 'one-eyed' too. Action to take Rhino? Report the action to authorities who are willing to take action . And yes you are right about Simms. He will be the first to admit his bias. Bias is nothing to be ashamed of.
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Post by newham on Dec 8, 2004 15:36:56 GMT
which, in your case firefly, i'm sure you are very relieved about...
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Post by Siobhan on Dec 8, 2004 17:54:46 GMT
The Inflatable alien belonged to us. For those that don’t know what happened Dave Simms took out a Stanley knife and slashed it twice in-between the 2 games on the day of the playoff final, it was doing nothing offensive, it was just stood there wearing a panthers shirt.
When he had done this Mike Torchia came out onto the bench to stretch and we told him what Simms had done, he shook his head and eventually Simms came out to see us, of course went mad at him, he claimed that his players (professional hockey players) couldn’t play with that “grunge machine” stood there staring at them (the fact that all the under 20s had managed to play with it stood there meant nothing of course). He took some money out of his pocket and offered us £10 to pay for it but we told him we didn’t want the money. We reported it to a steward and then to someone higher up at the arena and after the weekend we wrote to the Superleague about it, we received a reply which again offered us money to pay for the alien but we replied saying we didn’t want the money we just wanted an apology. Of course we never heard anything again…<br> Up until this point we had always been quite friendly with Simms. In the old rink we would talk to him and have a laugh and a joke as he went to sit up with the TV cameras but any respect we had for him was lost after this day.
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Post by Milkman™ on Dec 8, 2004 19:23:49 GMT
Action to take Rhino? Report the action to authorities who are willing to take action . Siobahn has given you your answer Firefly, also an off duty police officer (Manc fan) was sat with us who reported this to the arena management, unfortunatley she was unable to deal with it. The superleague did nothing in this case and nothing has been done since. Shame the mum who bit*ch slapped Simms in the old barn didnt do a better job, now that was a funny site to behold. And yes i did witness that myself too.
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Post by Adam on Dec 8, 2004 19:29:01 GMT
Shame the mum who bit*ch slapped Simms in the old barn didnt do a better job, now that was a funny site to behold. And yes i did witness that myself too. Now i would pay to actually see that!!
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Post by girdeaux on Dec 8, 2004 21:18:24 GMT
Shaggy & HL were targeted over a webcast? What goes around comes around I guess chaps And as for the stanley knife thing...Lucky he wasn't stopped by a police officer. Offensive weapon or sharply, bladed pointed article
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Post by newham on Dec 8, 2004 21:50:51 GMT
Now i would pay to actually see that!! you mean you werent there? Oh my lord, that was my favourite moment from a hockey night ever ever ever.
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