Simms at it again

[Admin]

So there was FREE advertising for the Cage on Radio Shuff?

Cheers DS! ;D

[Milkman™]

Shaggy said:

Well, there's a nice mix of cause and effect for you. If DS hadn't started his crusade of hate, I wouldn't have had any reason to comment. So perhaps you're talking to the wrong person here.


"The public eye"?? - come on, get real. I post on here and on THF - that's pretty much it - forum sites only, because that is all I have. Compare and contrast that with DS slagging us all off via radio, microphone, newspaper, match-night programme.... and online forum sites.
He's not 'responding in kind'. He's simply spreading his bile as far and wide as he can - abusing his position of power.


Exactly - glad somebody's noticed the 'slight' discrepancy here.......



Then respond using the same channel - not one that he and he alone can use.
Anyway - I'm the one doing the responding.... he's the moron that has caused this entire mess - something that everyone conveniently forgets about.

Some double standards here...... Simms slags off us (and loads of others) at will using every medium available to him - yet this all gets swept under the carpet or defended as 'putting bums on seats' etc...... yet no-one is allowed to criticise him?
Double standards.

Personally, I would be very happy never to hear of the muppet again - the day he (hopefully) gets booted out of this sport, I will have a single celebratory drink and then quite contendedly forget about him.

You reckon hes as concerned about all this as you are?

[firefly]

The number to send DS and Seth Bennett was broadcast numerous times during the webcast. Anyone was welcome to send in messages to them.
Note the word WEBCAST. Not the airwaves. Does that classify as the same medium?
And who else has he 'slagged off'? He has opinions on others but 'slagged off'
It appears that there are only a few recipients of DS's constant criticism.
Its noticeable that there are many on here of a Yellow and Gold persuasion who seem to think the matter is not as important as you might think Shaggy. could it be they have far greater realisation of what REALLY matters in life?

[Lynne]

Whatever is said on here about David Simms - and there's been a lot said, it is totally unprofessional of him to escalate things on the media as he apparently has. As Shaggy said, if David Simms has something to say to Shaggy and HL, why not come on the forum and respond in the same arena? I can only think that he took the route he did as he knows that by coming into this "arena" he will be torn apart by the proverbial lions (and I'm not just meaning Wemblylion here!). Instead, he took the coward's route by having a go at them in a place where they weren't given a chance to respond. I have so far refrained from saying anything against David Simms over the years, but this is a truly despicable, but not surprising, action.

However, as BJ said, FREE advertising for the Cage Forum!! ;D

[firefly]

Lynne said:

Whatever is said on here about David Simms - and there's been a lot said, it is totally unprofessional of him to escalate things on the media as he apparently has. As Shaggy said, if David Simms has something to say to Shaggy and HL, why not come on the forum and respond in the same arena?

Lynne - the number to send messages to the commentary team was read out countless times. DS does read this forum so he will see the comments levelled at him by your good selves.

[Lynne]

firefly said:

Lynne - the number to send messages to the commentary team was read out countless times. DS does read this forum so he will see the comments levelled at him by your good selves.

And what are the chances of HL or Shaggy listening to a web commentary on the Steelers when they aren't playing the panthers? The webcast lasts for only a short duration and gives only a limited period for response. It is also NOT the same "arena" as the comments by HL and DS were made. It is TOTALLY different. As for DS reading this forum - fine, but I'd have hoped he had far more important things to do with his time, particulary given the rumoured and apparent problems at the Steelers. As a new owner coming into the Steelers I would find it very worrying that DS spends so much time putting the Panthers and their supporters down, instead of promoting his own team. This, to me, is clearly a case of DS taking rivalry too far, but I'm sure my opinion won't change DS's or that of his followers.

[MP]

BJ said:

So there was FREE advertising for the Cage on Radio Shuff?

Don't bank on it BJ - quite likely Norton had the invoice in the post first thing this morning!

[firefly]

Lynne said:

And what are the chances of HL or Shaggy listening to a web commentary on the Steelers when they aren't playing the panthers? The webcast lasts for only a short duration and gives only a limited period for response. It is also NOT the same "arena" as the comments by HL and DS were made. It is TOTALLY different. As for DS reading this forum - fine, but I'd have hoped he had far more important things to do with his time, particulary given the rumoured and apparent problems at the Steelers. As a new owner coming into the Steelers I would find it very worrying that DS spends so much time putting the Panthers and their supporters down, instead of promoting his own team. This, to me, is clearly a case of DS taking rivalry too far, but I'm sure my opinion won't change DS's or that of his followers.

As much a chance of other teams supporters listening to the webcast. Of which there were plenty.

[Adam]

Just ignore him he'll go and play with his toys when he gets bored or play with himself!!

Mind ya ark at me saying that!

[Bretters]

If he reads this forum, then he's going to read this thread and see how people have responded to it and he will be laughing because he will see how much he has got to you, which is what he always tries to do, have a dig at the panthers and there fans. I would just ignor him, and concentrate on our own team untill one day he gets bored. Everyone has heard it before from him, even some of the Sheffield fans are sick of him. If he gets a response from us, he will carry on, ignor him and he will go away one day.

Its very unprofessional of him to say the things he says, and he should spend more time on his own team than ours.

[Doom]

Let me just add a little bit to Dave Simms comments.

Firstly, he received a text from somebody asking him to say "hi" to all the supporters in the Cage Chatroom.

He then went on to ask Seth if he'd ever read the Cage forum, at which point he mentioned the likes of Shaggy and Heanor Lair are one eyed.

It's hardly the insult of the century, in fact many would agree with what he said. I personally think most supporters are fairly blinkered when it comes to their own team, I guess I'd also fall into that category.

He also got a message from Kerry Morley (who I believe is banned from this forum) asking if he could be the Steelers next back up netminder. Simmsey said he'd love to fire pucks at Kerry (them two don't see eye to eye). I've not seen 3 pages of complaints on the Steelers forum from Kerry, I guess he's just laughed it off as a Simmsism.

Lighten up people, lifes too short.

Regards

Doom

[iain]

As ive said a couple of times after HL's posts on Steeltalk the way some of you retaliate ie: Shaggy and HL your just taking yourself to Simms level and making yourself look as bad as he is, if he wants to be a moron then let him but dont drag yourselves down too.

As Doom said, lifes too short

[Shaggy]

You know..... I wish all the people who keep telling me that I'm wrong to talk on this subject would say the same to Simms...... especially the Sheffield fans (who - let's face it - are about the only ones there's any chance of him even listening to).

He's been conducting a concerted campaign of hatred and contempt against us (and most other teams, to a lesser extent) for years....... since when has that been acceptable?
Yet it's all "leave him alone, he'll go away if you ignore him" or "he's only trying to get a rise out of you"...... if you ignore someone doing that, they'll only try harder - escalate their efforts.

If he'd shut up about us..... I would quite happily ignore him. So maybe you are all having a go at the wrong person, eh?

[firefly]

Shaggy said:

You know..... I wish all the people who keep telling me that I'm wrong to talk on this subject would say the same to Simms...... especially the Sheffield fans (who - let's face it - are about the only ones there's any chance of him even listening to).

Forgive me but that sounds like the 'usual old stuff'.

Shaggy said:

He's been conducting a concerted campaign of hatred and contempt against us (and most other teams, to a lesser extent) for years....... since when has that been acceptable?

How can a concerted effort all of a sudden turn into a 'lesser extent' Shaggy?
Most other teams? How? There was some banter between Manchester and Sheffield for years, but when push came to shove on the finances scene (FOR BOTH SIDES) Simms did the right thing in both cases..
So who else has he carried on a concerted effort to a 'lesser extent' on then?
I am intrigued.
To quote a true yellow and black Cage Forum veteran from many seasons ago

If you insist on putting your head up over the wall then somebody will shoot at it.

Try to learn not to bite down.

Shaggy said:

Yet it's all "leave him alone, he'll go away if you ignore him" or "he's only trying to get a rise out of you"...... if you ignore someone doing that, they'll only try harder - escalate their efforts.

If he'd shut up about us..... I would quite happily ignore him. So maybe you are all having a go at the wrong person, eh? [/quote]

So he has to shut up first eh? .

[Helen B]

Having read this thread and what people have to say I can understand why you are upset. Simms has made a comment and has got the reaction he wanted. Since I was at the match I didn't hear the whole context or what was said but I think I have a good idea now.

You say that you cannot respond to his comments through the same medium that he chose, I think you could/can. Firstly there was nothing stop you sending him a message back via the text, I'm sure he would have read it out. Secondly since RS is now on the net you can listen to the Iceline when we have one and you can always respond through that, I'm sure Simms would be listening to it too. You could have a conversation about it on the radio.

[Heanor Lair]

Helen said:

Having read this thread and what people have to say I can understand why you are upset. Simms has made a comment and has got the reaction he wanted. Since I was at the match I didn't hear the whole context or what was said but I think I have a good idea now.

You say that you cannot respond to his comments through the same medium that he chose, I think you could/can. Firstly there was nothing stop you sending him a message back via the text, I'm sure he would have read it out. Secondly since RS is now on the net you can listen to the Iceline when we have one and you can always respond through that, I'm sure Simms would be listening to it too. You could have a conversation about it on the radio.

I think if RS are allowing personal insults to be made of other teams hockey fans on their airwaves I suspect it would be highly unlikely that they would have the courtesy for non steelers fans to put their points forward regarding Simms.

Lets face it the Steelers organisation threw a wobbly about Dave Page so he wasnt allowed in the Hallan FM arena, they have thrown their toys out of the parm about Powerplay in the past. If RS was to allow non steelers fans to voice their fans about Simms, how long before it is banned from the Hallam FM arena as well??

As you know from the 'independent' SteelTalk forum, there is the Steelers organsisation version of free speech and the rest of the worlds version of free speech, and never the twain shall meet.

Regards

HL

[Milkman™]

Heanor said:

Lets face it the Steelers organisation threw a wobbly about Dave Page so he wasnt allowed in the Hallan FM arena

That goes a little deeper than that, they did the same with me 3 years ago

[firefly]

Heanor said:

I think if RS are allowing personal insults to be made of other teams hockey fans on their airwaves I suspect it would be highly unlikely that they would have the courtesy for non steelers fans to put their points forward regarding Simms.

Lets face it the Steelers organisation threw a wobbly about Dave Page so he wasnt allowed in the Hallan FM arena, they have thrown their toys out of the parm about Powerplay in the past. If RS was to allow non steelers fans to voice their fans about Simms, how long before it is banned from the Hallam FM arena as well??

As you know from the 'independent' SteelTalk forum, there is the Steelers organsisation version of free speech and the rest of the worlds version of free speech, and never the twain shall meet.

Regards

HL

Radio Sheffield does not cover home games so it would make no difference. In fact the only people losing out if RS was barred from Steeler contact would be the fans. Not the Steelers. If you were talking of ILR then you would have a point Heanor Lair.
I have a feeling that a chat between your two good selves would actually make good radio. Cant see the BBC (for thats who you are accusing of bias here, NOT the Steelers.) turning that down provided it was conducted in a proper manner, ON BOTH SIDES.
You have the option to do so Heanor Lair. I and others will be listening with interest to the next edition of Radio Sheffields Iceline. Its up to you.

i know nothing of the Dave Page or Therapy's situation but at a guess it was down to Norton Lea and his obsession with obtaining money from ANY source possible.. Correct me if I'm wrong Dave or Therapy?

And whilst on the point of free speech and club independence, the Panthers org hasnt exactly got a squeaky clean record on that score have they now?
We all know theres no such thing as free speech anyway.

[Helen B]

It was just a thought. I know it would never happen but if they allow him to do it during a match commentary, then why not get the people involved to have a debate about it. I would certainly tune in to listen.

One things for certain, whoever takes Steelers over needs to sack Simms asap. He is the only constant in the club since its inception and he is taking the rest of us down with him at the moment. One day, someone within the organisation will stand upto him and then he can toddle off to his, hmmm how can I put it, beloved best mate in Coventry (And I don't care if he reads that, cos that has come from me, a Steeler, through and through)

[nuttyrockeress]

I'm not getting involved in this argument whatsoever as I am well and truly sick and tired of all of the backwards and forwadrs bashing between the lot of them, but just to add to this.......

Shaggy and HL were I believe in Scotland so couldn't text/e-mail there thoughts

Thanks
nutty

[Milkman™]

firefly said:

i know nothing of the Dave Page or Therapy's situation but at a guess it was down to Norton Lea and his obsession with obtaining money from ANY source possible.. Correct me if I'm wrong Dave or Therapy?

Bingo....

And your point about free speech is so true, Dave i guess 'wont' be able to confirm or deny, like i am.

[Big Dave Steeler]

I have sit back and watched this thread develope, and have to say that a mountain of a molehill has been made.

I think the whole situation needs to start in its clearest terms. Here you have three hockey fans, making personal insults, and spreading their 'hatred' in a PUBLIC DOMAIN.

Now add in the fact that DS was doing commentary, the balance does seem to weigh against DS, however - nothing has changed much considering it is still in the public domain.

Shaggy - you say you only post on 2 forums (Cage and THF) but considering there are team officials, and on ice officials who read and post on THF, I think you are spreading your hatred, towards the same audience as DS has - to Ice Hockey Fans.

You say you cannot contact him, well you could have, and it has already been posted, and considering Kerry was IN Coventry, the only way you could not reply was by not knowing the number.

I am pleased to see HL not throw the toys out of the prams, and moaned about it, because as has already been stated by NOTTINGHAM fans, what do you expect when you do exactly the same.

One of the phrases you constantly come out with is 'reap what ye sow' - well I think shaggy, you have reaped this weekend!!

[twix]

Big said:

You say you cannot contact him, well you could have, and it has already been posted, and considering Kerry was IN Coventry, the only way you could not reply was by not knowing the number.

I think the 'contact' point is that neither Shaggy or HL heard the comments at the time as they were watching the Panthers game in Scotland. Therefore they couldn't reply. When comments are made on a forum it's possible to reply several days later if necessary but a radio program is only on for a finite length of time. Presumably somebody told Kerry what had been said and how to contact the show at the time, was the same offer extended to Shaggy and HL?

To be honest I think it's been blown out of all proportion. Sounds like a typical DS throwaway remark to me. Everybody knows Simmsy is unprofessional, no point in going on about it every time! As mentioned by BJ and Lynne - Free publicity

[hitchy]

I heard the broadcast in its entirety and I must say that the reaction to what was said about 'one eyed-ness' is a wee bit OTT.

Im just glad the other comment wasnt heard by you lot, even Seth was sweating

I have a different opinion to these broadcasts as I do to the Matchnight announcing issue. On a matchnight it's Simmseys job to address both the home and away fans, and I think in recent times there has been a completely professional approach to this, shown in full force by your CC final win in Sheffield.

These radio broadcasts however, yes i realise that ANYONE can listen but it's still a Sheffield Steelers target audience. I know the usual replies will come 'oh but we can listen', but Simmsey just wants to entertain the Steelers fans, and some dont like his style, some do.

Same old chestnuts from both sides of the county border.

[heja]

i agree they are OTT for people replying to this that didn't even get mentioned, buts its not for the people that did, like shaggy.

These radio broadcasts however, yes i realise that ANYONE can listen but it's still a Sheffield Steelers target audience. I know the usual replies will come 'oh but we can listen', but Simmsey just wants to entertain the Steelers fans, and some dont like his style, some do

the target audience at home games is also the steelers fans, yet any one can also listen to him and see the games so why is it any different, he wouldn't be allowded to say it there so why on the radio?

even though what he said i thought was funny even if it was wrong what he said.