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Post by newham on Jan 27, 2007 13:11:20 GMT
Very mixed signals coming out of philadelphia at the moment. Aside from the fact that he can't get a skate that will complement his dodgy foot, the trade situation with him is gathering pace.
Personally, if we can get him to waive his NT clause in his contract then i would trade him. He's still an excellent player when fit but he's playing one and missing two at the moment and he's not helping anyone. Teams are reportedly offering two firsts and prospects for him which is an excellent deal, especially considering we're going to get a high pick as it is.
I can imagine picking up the best passer in the league when coming up to the play-offs would be an attractive proposition indeed....
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Post by Alf Garnett on Jan 28, 2007 21:11:13 GMT
Did Forsberg ever sign an extended contract or is it up at the end of this season? If it is the latter I think we should cut our losses on him now and get a trade which will also free up cap space too IIRC.
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Post by Luca Toni on Jan 29, 2007 11:30:19 GMT
Wasn't it obvious that Forsberg was going to be a blessing and a curse when he came across from Colorado? The Avs have missed him big time but fair play to them in releasing him because they had been suffering from his inability to play for a long stretch in recent seasons. If he plays he will always get points but just how much play is left in him? We have to ask that. Of course someone will offer Philly something stupid in return for him. I personally doubt they will get the return from Forsberg. Be interesting if Pittsburgh got him though!!!
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Post by Rich on Jan 30, 2007 10:53:04 GMT
Hmmm id be sad to see him go but things have to change bigtime in philly and this could be the catalyst
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Post by Luca Toni on Jan 30, 2007 11:07:46 GMT
Well the latest news after Forsberg met the Philly GM yesterday is...that there is no news. Basically Forsberg needs to be fit before anything can happen and that is far from guaranteed.
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Post by jaycourtney on Jan 31, 2007 19:33:01 GMT
who'd want Forsberg, not to sound disrespectful He'll command a large salerey His too injury prone His never been the same player since joining the flyers.
I know a team that would trade a few young players and draft picks for him, as they expect instant success ALA the Toronto Maple Leafs!
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Post by sawchuk on Feb 1, 2007 9:27:38 GMT
who'd want Forsberg, not to sound disrespectful He'll command a large salerey His too injury prone His never been the same player since joining the flyers. I know a team that would trade a few young players and draft picks for him, as they expect instant success ALA the Toronto Maple Leafs! Because when fit, he's a genuine 1st liner. If he can get 100% fit & stay healthy, he could quite easily turn a nearly team into cup contenders.
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Post by jaycourtney on Feb 1, 2007 12:02:16 GMT
Yes his a genuine first liner, but what about Sundin? Forsberg misses too many many games for the amount his paid although he does show marks of genius. last he missed 22 games and his missed a fair bit of time this season, his also 34 proving my point about the Maple leafs GM trading away young promising players, and draft picks for one guy who they think can bring instant success.
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Post by Luca Toni on Feb 1, 2007 12:03:59 GMT
That's true Sawchuk, but at what cost? I can see Forsberg having a long, stuttering goodbye to his career as people take a punt on him, he plays a few and then misses a load more.
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Post by sawchuk on Feb 1, 2007 17:47:54 GMT
Yes his a genuine first liner, but what about Sundin? What about Sundin? Forsberg misses too many many games for the amount his paid although he does show marks of genius. last he missed 22 games and his missed a fair bit of time this season, his also 34 proving my point about the Maple leafs GM trading away young promising players, and draft picks for one guy who they think can bring instant success. I've already stated that any move for Forsberg would be dependent on him keeping his fitness. As for this thing about the Leafs trading away their prospects, would you care to give me your own insight into whatever trades you're refering too? For the record, the 2006-07 Leaf roster has a total of 10 players that were drafted by the club: Kaberle 1996 Coliacovo 2001 Harrison 2001 (with the Marlies at the minute.) Steen 2002 Stajan 2002 Wellwood 2002 Bell 2001 White 2002 Antropov 1998 Ponikarovsky 1998 We also used Mikael Tellqvist (2000) before his trade to Phoenix. That's true Sawchuk, but at what cost? I can see Forsberg having a long, stuttering goodbye to his career as people take a punt on him, he plays a few and then misses a load more. I would imagine if Foppa gets traded, which ever team gets him will have to part with some substantial prospects. If he stays healthy & his new team win a Stanley cup, it'll be a good trade. It's a risk & I wouldn't want my team to take that risk, but there's both upside & downside to obtaining him.
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Post by Rich on Feb 14, 2007 11:29:43 GMT
I agree with Sawchuck, its a gamble but its something that will bring a big difference.
If a team isnt quite there and are scared they will just miss out on the playoffs, bring PF in and he would probably make all the difference. Of course it could go wrong but at least youve tried and there are a lot of ambitious but under pressure GMs around at the mo
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Post by newham on Feb 14, 2007 13:34:12 GMT
The teams rumoured to be in the running are the Rangers (but it looks like they've cooled their interest a bit), The Preds and the Wings. I can only see the Preds having something to offer that will interest the Flyers. I'll take Weber and a first
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Post by Rich on Feb 14, 2007 16:31:58 GMT
Kariya for Forsberg would satisfy
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Post by newham on Feb 14, 2007 21:36:39 GMT
add a first and we'll talk Seriously though, Kariya isn't what we're after. Whilst he's still an excellent player, we want picks and prospects. Saying that, if we're that bothered about p&p's, why have we traded so many away this season?
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Post by Rich on Feb 15, 2007 9:47:05 GMT
I agree but id like to see Kariya in a flyers shirt so I dont care I think theyve still got to work on salvaging something out of this disasterous season so they dont want to go completely into Draft picks but yeh they need to start looking forward and forgetting this season now!
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Post by newham on Feb 15, 2007 15:09:17 GMT
I agree but id like to see Kariya in a flyers shirt so I dont care I think theyve still got to work on salvaging something out of this disasterous season so they dont want to go completely into Draft picks but yeh they need to start looking forward and forgetting this season now! Mate, the best thing that can happen with this season is us finishing dead last. The year is beyond salvaging, and has been in a good while. Get rid of Foppa, get some serious picks for him and then make him a cheeky re-sign in the summer if he's sorted his skate out. Makes sense to me. Maybe Shin can answer this, but do you have a better chance of winning the lottery if you finish bottom? Why exactly is there a lottery? Why can't the last ranked team just get the first pick?
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Post by NevesMetro on Feb 15, 2007 15:34:17 GMT
I agree but id like to see Kariya in a flyers shirt so I dont care I think theyve still got to work on salvaging something out of this disasterous season so they dont want to go completely into Draft picks but yeh they need to start looking forward and forgetting this season now! Mate, the best thing that can happen with this season is us finishing dead last. The year is beyond salvaging, and has been in a good while. Get rid of Foppa, get some serious picks for him and then make him a cheeky re-sign in the summer if he's sorted his skate out. Makes sense to me. Maybe Shin can answer this, but do you have a better chance of winning the lottery if you finish bottom?[/u][/b] Why exactly is there a lottery? Why can't the last ranked team just get the first pick?[/quote] The boring bit ;D THE DRAFT LOTTERY - HOW IT WORKS The club selected in (winning) the lottery may not move up more than four positions in the draft order. Thus the only clubs with the opportunity to receive the 1st overall selection are the five clubs with the lowest regular-season point totals (or clubs that acquired those clubs' first-round drafting positions). No club can move down more than one position as a result of the lottery. Under the weighted lottery system, the club with the fewest regular-season points will have the greatest chance (25%) of winning the lottery and will pick no lower than second at the Entry Draft. The percentage chance of being selected in (winning) the lottery is as follows, based on team finish: 30th........... 25.0% (250 combinations) 29th........... 18.8% (188 combinations) 28th........... 14.2% (142 combinations) 27th........... 10.7% (107 combinations) 26th.............8.1% (81 combinations) 25th.............6.2% (62 combinations) 24th.............4.7% (47 combinations) 23rd.............3.6% (36 combinations) 22nd............ 2.7% (27 combinations) 21st.............2.1% (21 combinations) 20th.............1.5% (15 combinations) 19th.............1.1% (11 combinations) 18th.............0.8% (8 combinations) 17th.............0.5% (5 combinations) Thus the last-place team has a 48.2% chance of picking 1st ( their own 25% of winning + adding all the % of teams from 25th to 17th because those teams can only move up a maximum of 4 spots so they can't get up to the number 1 pick) and a 51.8% chance of picking 2nd( adding teams % chances of winning the lottery from 29th to 26th) "WINNERS" OF THE PREVIOUS DRAFT LOTTERIES 1995 - Los Angeles (was 7th, moved to 3rd; Ottawa retained 1st overall pick) 1996 - Ottawa (retained 1st overall pick) 1997 - Boston (retained 1st overall pick) 1998 - Tampa Bay (was 3rd, moved to 1st) 1999 - Chicago (was 8th, moved to 4th; Tampa Bay retained 1st overall pick) 2000 - NY Islanders (was 5th, moved to 1st) 2001 - Atlanta (was 3rd, moved to 1st) 2002 - Florida (was 3rd, moved to 1st) 2003 - Florida (was 4th, moved to 1st 2004 - Washington (was 3rd, moved to 1st) 2005 - Pittsburgh (all 30 teams had a chance at #1) 2006 - St. Louis (retained 1st overall pick) In a nutshell, any of the worst 5 teams can get the Number 1 pick but the worst team overall does have the best chance.
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Post by bobness on Feb 15, 2007 17:34:21 GMT
Why exactly is there a lottery? Why can't the last ranked team just get the first pick? It used to be that way, but the lottery was introduced in the 90s I think, to have a go at stopping teams "tanking" the season to get a guaranteed ace pick in the draft. Players like Lemieux, Crosby etc, who would always got first overall and were likely worth huge amounts to a franchise. Previously you were 100% sure to get the player if you were last, now not so. Makes for some interesting times. Just as an aside, what happens if you trade for a number 1 pick, do you still go in the lottery?
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Post by mattscold on Feb 15, 2007 18:07:05 GMT
Why exactly is there a lottery? Why can't the last ranked team just get the first pick? It used to be that way, but the lottery was introduced in the 90s I think, to have a go at stopping teams "tanking" the season to get a guaranteed ace pick in the draft. Players like Lemieux, Crosby etc, who would always got first overall and were likely worth huge amounts to a franchise. Previously you were 100% sure to get the player if you were last, now not so. Makes for some interesting times. Just as an aside, what happens if you trade for a number 1 pick, do you still go in the lottery?[/quote] For example if red wings give there first round pick to Philedelphia, it would still be classed as detroits pick so would depend on there league position etc i think!
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Post by ozrollersnake-in-exile on Feb 16, 2007 3:24:01 GMT
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Post by Rumpole on Feb 16, 2007 9:11:48 GMT
Apparently he was pulled off and told during pre-game warm up!!
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Post by newham on Feb 16, 2007 16:21:09 GMT
I'm delighted with the deal! As much as it may suck to lose Forsberg, we've got a future top two defenseman and the perfect partner for Pitkanen and we've got a future captain in Upshall, not to mention a (admittedly low) first rounder and a conditional third. Considering we could very well be having him back in the post-season, i'm totally psyched with this deal.
If we can give Hatcher to somebody for a couple of reasonable picks, we'll have oodles of money to spend in the UFA market and loads of good picks. Next year is going to be a much better year.
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Post by ozrollersnake-in-exile on Feb 16, 2007 18:02:48 GMT
Thats a little bit optimistic isnt it Newham?
The way I read it, its a future top 4 defenceman, a forward with some upside who has injury troubles, and 2 low picks in a not too great draft year. Not as great as at first glance.
Still think the Flyers 'win' overall though.
You reckon Forsberg will be back in Philly?
Personally, I reckon Avs or Vancouver.
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Post by Alf Garnett on Feb 16, 2007 18:04:08 GMT
If we can give Hatcher to somebody for a couple of reasonable picks, we'll have oodles of money to spend in the UFA market and loads of good picks. Next year is going to be a much better year. It may be even better if we just cut our losses with Hatcher. A bag of pucks and a Zamboni driver would tempt me to deal him away!! ;D
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Post by newham on Feb 16, 2007 18:57:49 GMT
Thats a little bit optimistic isnt it Newham? The way I read it, its a future top 4 defenceman, a forward with some upside who has injury troubles, and 2 low picks in a not too great draft year. Not as great as at first glance. According to a good number of Nash fans, if Parent continues at his current rate, he's a top two for sure. I was a bit surprised to see how little Upshall has developed since being drafted sixth overall, but he's still young and he looks to be the final piece of the checking line we're putting together. It'll also give Downie a chance to concentrate on becoming an excellent hockey player rather than a niggly type. This still means we get 2 first-rounders this year. Probably the first and the last of the round. Scott Gomez was drafted last in the round in 98 so there is the possibility of stars coming out of it. Still think the Flyers 'win' overall though. You reckon Forsberg will be back in Philly? Personally, I reckon Avs or Vancouver. I'd say this is a mutually beneficial deal. Nashville get themselves the player that will probably deliver the Stanley Cup and we get the basis for a brighter future. Considering this could be a rental deal, that's an excellent price to receive.
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