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Post by NickThePanther44 on Aug 17, 2006 9:53:24 GMT
Toughness 1.Vipers – Cornish, Payette, Ferone and Robinson (rumour has it Myhres aswell) 2.Bison – Bergin, Cruikshank, Desantis, O’keefe and Braff 3.Steelers – Darby, Clouthier 4.Phoenix – Gomez, Kiesman, Campbell and Timmons 5.Devils – Voth, Darling, Adams and Rempel 6.Panthers – Shmyr, Nielson, Simoes, Mcaslan, Moran 7.Blaze – Ndur, Stewart and Cloutier 8.Giants – Ruff and Hutchins 9.Caps – 10.Stingrays -
got this off another forum im a member of but just shows how tough the league is this year!!! weve got some tough guys but are still way from the top although imo this year the Vipers are going to seriously struggle because i just cant see any technical players who are going to put up big numbers.
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Post by craigfx2o on Aug 17, 2006 10:02:09 GMT
I agree with you about Newcastle. I cannot understant the mentality of that team whatsoever. It's a though they want to win games purely by intimidation but that simply wont happen. They're going to struggle this season!!
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 17, 2006 10:04:10 GMT
I agree with you about Newcastle. I cannot understant the mentality of that team whatsoever. It's a though they want to win games purely by intimidation but that simply wont happen. They're going to struggle this season!! I'd like to think you were right..... but it worked for them last season. We might not be as vulnerable to that kind of goonery as last season, but there are other teams that will be. I'd like to believe that this Zero Tolerance thing was likely to happen... but I'm not confident at all.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Aug 17, 2006 10:07:30 GMT
the zero tolerance want really affect them provided they hit cleanly, it doesnt affect fighting at all.
last season though there was some clear skill in there team, notably the two blokes we signed from them but this season i cant see any
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Post by Rich on Aug 17, 2006 10:23:16 GMT
Hmmm Thats a broad brush, comparing the likes of Ndur, Voth,Shymer etc with Ruff, Rempel,desantis etc. Most teams have tough guys tho for sure, I think Belfasts toughness is still to come Intresting to see Basingstoke and phoenix rank high up there. Theyre not guarenteed wins but at least they will still attract fans and media attention. Hull and Edinboro need to take note imo
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 17, 2006 10:25:32 GMT
the zero tolerance want really affect them provided they hit cleanly, it doesnt affect fighting at all. On the contrary - the EIHL announced that they are planning to enforce Zero Tolerance in the same was as the NHL - and that did affect fighting. If the zero tolerance is enforced in that way (and I'm not holding my breath) then that should result in more and harsher penalties for dropping the gloves (as well as the 'little' roughing offences that the goons come out with). Plus I completely disagree with this attitude many have that these enforcers/goons are somehow 'proud and noble warriors' who's only penalties involve dropping the gloves. What a load of cack. The likes of Payette, Wilson, Cornish etc are just as prone to holding/slashing/cross-checking offences as any other player - often more so. If ZT is enforced, they are going to have to seriously change their ways, or they are going to spend an awful lot of time sitting on their a**e - either in the penalty box or on the bench. I can. Jonathan Weaver and David Longstaff both got 22 goals last season - the two highest-scoring Brits in the league... only 1 less than Petricko. I agree that their scoring ability looks far less than last season... but they're not completely without any.
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Post by keithb on Aug 17, 2006 10:49:21 GMT
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Post by Rich on Aug 17, 2006 10:59:55 GMT
I agree partly Shaggy with the players you mentioned but this brand of "Euro hockey" you seem to enjoy relies in hooking, slashing, holding etc. The old skool north american style isnt about stick work and so therefore will not be penalised as much as "euro style".
The couple of new rules they have introduced are also to do with stickwork
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Post by Doughnut on Aug 17, 2006 11:00:16 GMT
LOL - has he seen Payette play?
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Post by Ian on Aug 17, 2006 11:24:57 GMT
Oh, the irony. Wilson has made a long career based largely on the very things that he is now helping officials to clamp down on. Never mind Gomeniuk and Krajicek, he should be concerned about adapting his own game if these rules are enforced.
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Post by dirtyden on Aug 17, 2006 11:27:39 GMT
Think you;ll find Rees is no fool, smaller Briane Thompson, when he goes he's a bit special.
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Post by dodit on Aug 17, 2006 12:08:38 GMT
i wouldnt class paul moran as tough. I would just say that he can stick up for him self.
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Post by ted on Aug 17, 2006 12:18:44 GMT
I say moran is feisty rather than touch player....
I wouldnt put Keisman as tough either....
Be tempted to add Bauba for Caps.... Wouldnt like to get on the wrong side of him....
I think some name up their are just 'big' guys... not strictly tough enforcers.
Re: Vipers. Last year they had a lot of skill with their toughness.... something I think ME has tried to emulate with us this year but to a lesser extent. I reckon they will struggle.
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 17, 2006 13:49:47 GMT
I agree partly Shaggy with the players you mentioned but this brand of "Euro hockey" you seem to enjoy relies in hooking, slashing, holding etc. The old skool north american style isnt about stick work and so therefore will not be penalised as much as "euro style". Oh come on.... surely you're not naive enough to buy into that "North Americans punch, Europeans slash" way of thinking? As with everything else, it's a mixture - there are plenty of so-called 'enforcers' from N.America that do very little but hold, slash, trip and cross-check.... just as there are Europeans who are perfectly prepared to drop the gloves (less so of the latter, I'll grant you). And you obviously haven't listened to a word I've said in the past, because I have quite clearly stated that the brand of hockey that I "seem to enjoy" is quite simply based around speed, skill and hard hitting.... not stickwork and not fistfights. I have as little time for the clutch and grab as I do for mindless brawling. So your impression of my brand of "Euro hockey" are way off.
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Post by Rich on Aug 17, 2006 14:34:48 GMT
I agree partly Shaggy with the players you mentioned but this brand of "Euro hockey" you seem to enjoy relies in hooking, slashing, holding etc. The old skool north american style isnt about stick work and so therefore will not be penalised as much as "euro style". Oh come on.... surely you're not naive enough to buy into that "North Americans punch, Europeans slash" way of thinking? As with everything else, it's a mixture - there are plenty of so-called 'enforcers' from N.America that do very little but hold, slash, trip and cross-check.... just as there are Europeans who are perfectly prepared to drop the gloves (less so of the latter, I'll grant you). And you obviously haven't listened to a word I've said in the past, because I have quite clearly stated that the brand of hockey that I "seem to enjoy" is quite simply based around speed, skill and hard hitting.... not stickwork and not fistfights. I have as little time for the clutch and grab as I do for mindless brawling. So your impression of my brand of "Euro hockey" are way off. "Oh come on" Shaggy, I was generalising! The "Type" of hockey you seem to like is the "type" associated generally with europeans, I wasnt literally saying you dont like any contact just generalising. One of the biggest "enforcers" in the league last season was a swede(Oduya). Anyhoo only time will tell, ZT worked in the NHL but thats practically a different sport to the EIHL so itll either kill the game or take it forward
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Post by keithb on Aug 17, 2006 14:39:36 GMT
I think the referees are in a no win situation this season. Some teams & fans will say they are being too strict while others will say they are not being strict enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2006 15:06:19 GMT
I said from day one, ZT will never have a effect or even take of, we don t have the refs to impliment it, period. , and stay by my prediction hence the tough guys who have come over this of season
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Post by charlish2099 on Aug 17, 2006 15:12:27 GMT
special teams the way forward for the new season
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Post by rangers on Aug 17, 2006 18:47:41 GMT
I saw Robs comments as well, and, frankly had to laugh. If there is any player who will be peonolised by the new zt rules it will be slow players, not big players. Whilst I'm happy that Payette is back, he will be peonolised. But Rob will be one of the most vulnerable player in the league for it. Whilst in Weaver we have one of the best players in the league, it will be a struggle for us, and am expecting a lot less thann i was last year.. But it might be entertaining along the way. Although Tricko and Pasha may struggle the most of our 'un goon' squad members of last year.
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