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Post by belak on Aug 13, 2006 9:11:06 GMT
Until we have seen them play as A TEAM, lets reserve judgement. After all, previous seasons we have looked excellent on paper but consistently failed to deliver! While I agree with your sentiments, I think people are looking forward to the coming season with a group of players that have got scouting reports/fan comments based up the players team ethos. As you rightly point out, in the past we've had teams asembled that look fantastic, raising the expectations of us the fans, only for them to crash & burn. For once it looks like we may have a genuine team, and while I agree that the proof is in the pudding, I'm happier to have this as a basis than a group of talented individuals.
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Mark
Randall Weber
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Post by Mark on Aug 13, 2006 9:50:55 GMT
I think Lisa is responding to the less enthusiastic comments rather than expressing doubts herself. Her point being, not many big names but what appears to be a squad of team players.
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Post by belak on Aug 13, 2006 9:54:54 GMT
I think Lisa is responding to the less enthusiastic comments rather than expressing doubts herself. Her point being, not many big names but what appears to be a squad of team players. Arh, I see...
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Post by spuzz on Aug 13, 2006 10:39:10 GMT
This guy looks like being a more than adequate replacement of Cote and is sure to be a fan favorite ;D
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Post by Jasper on Aug 13, 2006 13:51:35 GMT
"It is a fallacy to assume that better players will automatically gravitate towards the better leagues - many of them will, but a large proportion will not... for all sorts of reasons" - sorry don't know how to do the quote in the box thing.
Shaggy, sorry don't agree with you. By definition better leagues are exactly that because they attract better players and therefore a higher standard of play is acheived (same goes for any sport, not just hockey). Clearly there will always be exceptions but in the vast majority of cases better players play in better leagues.
There also seems to be a mis-conception that attributes such as 'gritty', 'leader', 'team-player' 'grinder', 'hitter' and all the other descriptions fitting Ellis's 'team ethic' policy are mutually exclusive with other attributes associated with skilled players or those who have played for some time at a higher standard. Isn't it up to the coach to make those individuals into a 'team'? Listening to Blaisdell at his 'chat-show' thing last year he said the closest team he ever saw was the late-80's Oilers - probably the greatest collection of individual talent ever put together on one team - OK, a bit of a spurious analogy but the point is there.
I'm not purely after stats - you can't judge a solid defensive defenceman for example by stats (unless you can find reliable +/- stats which isn't always easy) but I think you can get some idea by the standard at which he has played.
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Post by Ian on Aug 14, 2006 6:22:44 GMT
My main concern with the comments expressed by the CHL fans is that Simoes hits anything that moves as often as possible. Now, I am looking forward to seeing this style of play as much as anybody but the problem is that our referees do not always seem able to distinguish a fair hit from an illegal one. They see the player line up for the hit (if they are looking the right way), hear a big noise as the player is taken to the glass, turn around to see a man on the ice and up goes the arm. Then the player gets frustrated, takes a misconduct for protesting his case.... Seen it happen so many times that it is a worry. Hitting is a key part of the game, but I can see him getting penalised more than he is used to.
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Post by rusty on Aug 14, 2006 7:31:55 GMT
Must admit that last seasons team dropped off towards the end of the season and never seemed bothered at times The never seemed bothered bit could be applied at some time or another to almost every team we've had since we moved to the NIC. Too often fans have left the arena bemoaning the lack of effort, on occasion even booing the team off at the final hooter. As someone said earlier if the team puts in the 100% effort and entertains us with some great checks and team play then I will be happy, if we win a trophy or 2 then that's a bonus. The last 2 seasons I didn't renew my season ticket, as I suspect a few others didn't, and for the first time didn't bother with the playoffs last season. The team Mike has assembled (and yes I know we have to wait and see) at least has rekindled some of my passion for the game that has waned over the last 5 years. I am looking forward to seeing Mike Rees and all of these other new guys with a cautious sense of optimism.
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David Clarke
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 14, 2006 7:51:11 GMT
Until we have seen them play as A TEAM, lets reserve judgement. After all, previous seasons we have looked excellent on paper but consistently failed to deliver! While I agree with your sentiments, I think people are looking forward to the coming season with a group of players that have got scouting reports/fan comments based up the players team ethos. As you rightly point out, in the past we've had teams asembled that look fantastic, raising the expectations of us the fans, only for them to crash & burn. For once it looks like we may have a genuine team, and while I agree that the proof is in the pudding, I'm happier to have this as a basis than a group of talented individuals. But again there is no evidence that this will be more of a team. Just hope and speculation. Like there is every Summer. That is the advantage/disadvantage of UK ice hockey.
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