Explosion in London - tube power surge?

[MP]

girdeaux said:

newpanther said:

It makes me wonder, had London not won the Olympic bid, would this attack have taken place today?

I have my reservations

I would think so - likely to have been scheduled to co-incide with the G8 meeting, as there may have been some shift in focus by the security services away from London to Scotland.

Looks like a well organised and executed attack- probably long in the planning.

If there had been any Olympic connection then surely the attack would have been yesterday, just before the IOC vote.

Scuicide attacks are extreemly difficult to defend against in an open society. In truth, we've been lucky to have got away without an attack before now.

[girdeaux]

mountainpanther said:

girdeaux said:

newpanther said:

It makes me wonder, had London not won the Olympic bid, would this attack have taken place today?

I have my reservations

I would think so - likely to have been scheduled to co-incide with the G8 meeting, as there may have been some shift in focus by the security services away from London to Scotland.

Looks like a well organised and executed attack- probably long in the planning.

If there had been any Olympic connection then surely the attack would have been yesterday, just before the IOC vote.

Scuicide attacks are extreemly difficult to defend against in an open society. In truth, we've been lucky to have got away without an attack before now.

I have to disagree reference your comment about shifting of security. BTP Western (the area in which I'm based) have provided officers for the G8 summit, but save a handful of officers going up to Scotland, security issues & threat assesment have stayed as the were.

al-Qaeda splinter group claims responsibility for attacks

[MP]

girdeaux said:

I have to disagree reference your comment about shifting of security. BTP Western (the area in which I'm based) have provided officers for the G8 summit, but save a handful of officers going up to Scotland, security issues & threat assesment have stayed as the were.

al-Qaeda splinter group claims responsibility for attacks

I would hope (expect) security arrangements to remain unaltered, but in reality the focus of inteligence gathering may have wandered a bit in the last few months.

I would be surprised if it was anyone other than al-Qaeda behind the attack.

[girdeaux]

mountainpanther said:

girdeaux said:

I have to disagree reference your comment about shifting of security. BTP Western (the area in which I'm based) have provided officers for the G8 summit, but save a handful of officers going up to Scotland, security issues & threat assesment have stayed as the were.

al-Qaeda splinter group claims responsibility for attacks

I would hope (expect) security arrangements to remain unaltered, but in reality the focus of inteligence gathering may have wandered a bit in the last few months.

I would be surprised if it was anyone other than al-Qaeda behind the attack.

You're actually wrong, as in the run up to G8, our intelligence unit (certainly on my area) have stressed the importance of both G8 issues & a continuation of terrorist-orientated intel. reports.

Sorry to be arguementative

;D

And as expected, I have to go into work early

[MP]

girdeaux said:

You're actually wrong, as in the run up to G8, our intelligence unit (certainly on my area) have stressed the importance of both G8 issues & a continuation of terrorist-orientated intel. reports.

Sorry to be arguementative

;D

In truth Shin, I don't reckon it makes much difference either way. In an open society the intelligence and security forces will never be able to prevent every attack - it was only a matter of time before London was hit.

[grayhead]

As stated above, this seems to be a co-ordinated attack on innocent members of the public by some terrorist group.

What lesson do they hope to teach us by their cowardly attack on our Capital City?

What was it they hope we will learn?

Whatever it was, they need to realise that it has and will fail in the future.

Do they want us to respect their cause?

Well, they have just damned their cause.

My thoughts go out to all the victims involved in this attrocity. We must never let terrorism win.

[bj58]

Words cannot describe the sick feeling in my stomach as I struggle with the feelings of utter contempt and anger towards the perpertrators of todays atrocities.

The only thing to be grateful for is how the Police and other emergency services have been able to deal effectively with the situation as it developed. Sadly such an attack has been inevitable since 11th September 2001, and we have become well practised in the contingency and emergency plans such events would entail.

However, this does not make this any less a bitter pill to swallow, especially as the casualty figures and reports of fatalities escalate.

My thoughts go out to the victims and their families.

As someone who has spent his life following a vocation to defend our nation I cannot start to describe my feeling of impotance following this attack, and a resolve that the government and security services must not stop until those individuals behind these attacks, and those that support them, have been brought to justice.

Right now, like many others, I'm very angry and want my pound of flesh. Emotions must be held in check however as any knee jerk reaction would do more harm than good in the long run.

A dark day in British history.

[tash]

My thoughts go out to all the people involved in the attacks, and lets just hope that they were the last of the the bombs and blasts from the London Underground. My deepest sympathy to all those who lost their lives in the attacks.
What are they trying to achieve by bombing our capital city? Terrorism is not the answer.

[MP]

Well said BJ - I echo your sentiments.

I hope those responsible and their associates are hunted down and preferably destroyed but that is likely to be a long, slow and expensive process, with only limited success.

This is a battle for our nation, for the western world as we know it. We need to win the battle for minds though if we are to have long term security. A very different fight from the type we've been used to.

[nuttyrockeress]

Does anyone else find this quote from Sky news a little bizarre as I do?

"Parking attendant Ade Soji, 35, of Dagenham, Essex, said he had to run for his life after the bus exploded.
He said: "I was helping a member of the public with directions when the bus stopped and the driver asked me the name of the street. I told him Tavistock Square and he called me over. Just as I was about to go, I heard the bus explode. In another second I would have been dead. I had to run for my life. I looked back and saw the roof flying over."

Why on earth would a London bus driver stop to ask the street name? Very suspicious if you ask me - or a load of codswallop from the guy in the report...

[Doughnut]

nuttyrockeress said:

Does anyone else find this quote from Sky news a little bizarre as I do?

"Parking attendant Ade Soji, 35, of Dagenham, Essex, said he had to run for his life after the bus exploded.
He said: "I was helping a member of the public with directions when the bus stopped and the driver asked me the name of the street. I told him Tavistock Square and he called me over. Just as I was about to go, I heard the bus explode. In another second I would have been dead. I had to run for my life. I looked back and saw the roof flying over."

Why on earth would a London bus driver stop to ask the street name? Very suspicious if you ask me - or a load of codswallop from the guy in the report...

He phrased it a bit poorly, but in the circumstances I think the guy could be forgiven. Reading between the lines, I reckon this is what happened ...

Member of public pulled over in car and called parking attendant over to ask for directions.
The bus stopped.
Member of public asked what road he was on & for directions.
Attendant said it's Tavistock Square and was about to walk away.
The bus exploded.

[Lucy]

We're in the USA and flying from Cincinnati to Chicago this afternoon.
This is major news over here and security is being stepped up to Orange Alert in many areas.
They report it as an attack which has obviously been planned for some time. Major airports are on high security.

Words fail me at this time, but we can't let them win.

[Fez]

There is, understandably, a very macabre atmosphere here in London. I live in Aldgate and work in Liverpool Street. Luckily all my immediate friends and colleagues appear to be well. One colleague was on the bus in front of the one that exploded.

Ken Livingstone spoke very well. No matter what these people do, we shall not turn on each other. London and Londoners have a reputation for not having a community spirit and identity. No doubt this will serve only to galvanise rather than have a divisive impact.

My thoughts and prayers are with all those directly affected.

Rex

[Deleted]

I Cant catch my breath , Just got back from London/Luton from this morning upon missing my 7.28am Train this morning to Kings Cross I caught the later one which took me up to Luton it then stopped due to a security incident in london and turned back , timing would of took me to exactly where and when the Kings Cross explosion happened , my thought's are with those who were less fortunate .

[Kadie]

bj58 said:

Words cannot describe the sick feeling in my stomach as I struggle with the feelings of utter contempt and anger towards the perpertrators of todays atrocities.

The only thing to be grateful for is how the Police and other emergency services have been able to deal effectively with the situation as it developed. Sadly such an attack has been inevitable since 11th September 2001, and we have become well practised in the contingency and emergency plans such events would entail.

However, this does not make this any less a bitter pill to swallow, especially as the casualty figures and reports of fatalities escalate.

My thoughts go out to the victims and their families.

I cannot start to describe my feeling of impotance following this attack, and a resolve that the government and security services must not stop until those individuals behind these attacks, and those that support them, have been brought to justice.

Right now, like many others, I'm very angry and want my pound of flesh. Emotions must be held in check however as any knee jerk reaction would do more harm than good in the long run.

A dark day in British history.

Well said, I agree!

My heart goes out to all those affected by todays events & I think a huge well done (and more) is well deserved for the emergency services that have dealt with this horror

[LUFC]

Security and all agencies working to protect and defend us are fighting a losing battle. But not because they are not trying enough.

The problem we face is we cant stop these people doing what they want to do.

They dont care who they kill, race or creed of colour. Religion or age. They just want to cause destruction. They dont care if they die.

They are guaranteed 40 virgins for what they do in the after life. Well i hope they turn out to be demons that torture them. What they did today, in spain a year ago and in america and continue to do in iraq and other places is inexcusable.

My heart goes out to th victims and families today.

People say no to id cards, people say no to holding suspects without trial. They moan and they complain.

But what about the civil liberty of all us that want to live in freedom with peace and get on with life.

I know this might be hard to take, but things like this almost make me want to become a renagade and find these people myself. There is a leadership that must be brought down. These terrorists cannot go free and continue to do this anymore. The Muslim faith is meant to be peaceful, but these extremests twist the teachings. There are enough peaceful muslims around the world who should stand up and be seen to condem these kind of actions. I feel they hide those doing it too much.

[Colonel Mustard]

My dad was just up the road, but luckily he was in the basement lol. I shouldn`t be laughing, its no laughing matter.

[DaveE]

I'm just so confused as to why people would do this?

What is the need for an act like this?

It's just sick.

I'm quite reluctant to make a train journey on Tuesday for a very good friends birthday after the incidents that occured earlier today, just as I'm sure, many other people throughout the UK will now be as reluctant as me to embark on a train journey, or other public transport journeys for that matter.

My thoughts are with the families of those that were involved with these deeply painful incidents that happened in our now scarred, capital city.

Obviously I can only repeat what BJ had said earlier about the reaction of security and emergency services in this area as this had been expected since that of 9/11 as they reacted sufficiently and quickly enough to ensure that the death toll was prevented from going any higher.

My blood boils at this time, yet we should not, no, we can not let this incident de-moralise us. We can't let them win!

[Samxpenguin]

Newpanther as you say we should carry on life, and it shouldn't put you off travelling on a train as it is extremely unlikely an attack will occur.

Unfortunatatly this terrible attack was going to occur at one point, yet that fact makes it no easier to take. After 9/11 and the so called 'War On Terror' and attack on Iraq there was bound to be repercussions in the west. Today it showed us that it can also happen in London, and many inocent perople where injured or killed, it is a devastating blow to the country.

A knee jerk reaction is not the answer, in my eyes unfortunatley Terrorism can never be erradicated. Attacks on countries such as Iraq have in my eyes added to the hatred from certain sectors of the world. No you can't blame Blair or Bush for this, but the way there dealing with it i don't approve off, if we continue to take control and tell the rest of the world what to do, this will continue to increase.

My feelings go out to all those harmed or relatives of those injured, i just hope we can deal with this well, i fear we won't.

[MP]

In the aftermath of yesterday's attacks in London I'd like to say a word in praise of all the emergency services. It seems they did a superb job. I know it is actually their "job" and they train intensively for such events, but dealing with the real thing is different and they handled it very well. All credit to them.

As did most people in London it seems - the public at large reacted with stoicism and generosity in the face of adversity.

[Samxpenguin]

mountainpanther said:

In the aftermath of yesterday's attacks in London I'd like to say a word in praise of all the emergency services. It seems they did a superb job. I know it is actually their "job" and they train intensively for such events, but dealing with the real thing is different and they handled it very well. All credit to them.

As did most people in London it seems - the public at large reacted with stoicism and generosity in the face of adversity.

Yeah, i agree with that, I missed that part out of my post. They reacted extremely fast in order to control the siuation as much as possible.

[David]

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