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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 15, 2004 22:11:09 GMT
so did kelman use sign language to accept the apology of myers...he has been in hospital since saturday night and cant even speak to his gf...never mind matt!
The league can decide and to be honest there will probably be no reprocussions i will accept whatever he is given or not given as the right decision.
in addition i dont think that if todd had accepted an apology the giants would be going any further with this!
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Post by pidge88 on Nov 15, 2004 22:17:24 GMT
This sort of thing happens a fair bit in ice hockey, Matt is a decent bloke who would not have done this with intent to seriously injure a fellow professional, if whats been said in the NEP that a appologie has been accepted then thats fine.
But hope people aren t forgetting the check to Clarke full on into the boards in the Milan match was extremely dangerous and nothing was done. , and that check on Poirier from J Bowen which to this day did not warrent a long supension is beyond believe. Surely id be suprised to see this league taking it further, talk about double standards
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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 15, 2004 22:28:24 GMT
its not double standards because we dont give out suspensions! If i had seen the check i probably would have been disgusted in JB, but i didnt...i can only call what i saw and i saw that on saturday night! Im not the type of person who thinks that my players can do no wrong, i am open about it and if they do something bad i dont sweep it under the table unnoticed - shane johnson has a habit of making cheap dives as he did in sheffield last season and he drew a penalty for it - i dont condone that sort of behaviour and never have done.
i never said that matt wasnt a decent lad, i have had the pleasure of speaking to him last season when he was a devil....i openly have said on this forum that i doubt he meant to injure Todd...but he did! As a player who has played professional for a year and as junior matt should know the potential injuries that could happen due to a high stick, whether it was a moment of hesitation or a complete accident it still happened and now the league are reviewing whether he should be punished further and if he isnt i will hold my hands up and say fair dues.
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Post by MP on Nov 15, 2004 23:07:51 GMT
As a player who has played professional for a year and as junior matt should know the potential injuries that could happen due to a high stick, whether it was a moment of hesitation or a complete accident You're quite right Emma. A hockey player is responsible for his stick at all times - even when his actions are involuntary. I've not seen the incident so can't comment on it other than to note that the referee awarded a Game penalty which suggests that he considered the incident accidental. In view of the seriousness of Todds' injury, had the referee thought there was any intent then a Match penalty would surely have been called.
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Post by texpef on Nov 15, 2004 23:19:37 GMT
so show because myers UNINTENTIALLY injured a belfast player (and noone is saying it was intentional) you feel it is now ok to milk it for all its worth and maybe even getting the result turned? This is totally different to our situation with london where it transpires they could well have played a player who was registered to another team. The result was achieved by hardwork regardless of whether a key player for you was injured or not and there have been plenty of times when it has happened to the panthers, you just get on with it.
At the very least it seems that you are purporting that if one of your players gets injured then regardless of whether it was intended or not that we should lose a player too? Is that it as that is how it sounds to me?
One final thought it is VERY difficult to assess intent from looking at a video especially a short clip of the game. Only people who know are those involved and i am sure noone would admit to this.
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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 16, 2004 0:35:22 GMT
so did you just transpire a fake argument just to have a rant at me?..i at no point said i wanted the result overturned...we were beaten by a better team how can anyone deny that? milking it?? ahh wise up....i believe that matt was in the wrong as do the belfast giants hockey club...therefore a tape has been sent in so the league can judge for thereselves. i also said that matt myers should be banned if the league deem it necessary...why not try reading my numerous posts before you form your own conclusion of my opinions. If the league decide he is in the clear 'I WILL HOLD UP MY HANDS AND FAIR DUES!' - as posted about two hours ago!! And at no point have i made reference to your match with london...next time i will give you my password so you can type a post that meets with your argument
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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 16, 2004 0:45:15 GMT
I've not seen the incident so can't comment on it other than to note that the referee awarded a Game penalty which suggests that he considered the incident accidental. In view of the seriousness of Todds' injury, had the referee thought there was any intent then a Match penalty would surely have been called. As far as i am aware matt was penalised a 5 + game for high sticks rather than accidental high sticks...now whether hicksy was uncertain or not im not sure....but that was how he called it!
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Post by Ian on Nov 16, 2004 7:23:30 GMT
video tape will show if there was intent. Damned fine video cameras you have over there if they can read a player's mind as an incident occurs. Only Matt Myers really knows whether or not it was intentional, and if the other player involved has accepted that it wasn't, that should be the end of the matter.
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Post by MrsJoel on Nov 16, 2004 9:30:37 GMT
Where will it all end?
I know the two situations are not exactly comparable but I remember a few years ago a London Knights player (Rob Kenny?) virtually had the puck embedded in his face. As far as I remember the Knights didn't ask for further action against the player who hit it. It may have been their own player, I can't remember, but my point is it was a hockey accident, just one of those unfortunate occurrences.
Are teams going to seek retribution over every bump, knock, bruise or whatever a player may suffer? Compensation culture to extremes, I think!
I feel very sorry that Todd Kelman got injured so badly. If Matt Myers had intentionally set out to injure him, then yes, he should be punished. However I still say there was no intent, I'm sure the footage will show no deliberate movement of Matt's stick towards Kelman other than a reaction to the impending check.
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Post by girdeaux on Nov 16, 2004 9:33:44 GMT
I've been told this am from a Giants' fan, there is the belief that Kelman's acceptance of Myers' apology is only a public show...
Rumours are rumours at the end of the day, so don't take it as Gospel...
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Post by carolle on Nov 16, 2004 10:22:53 GMT
Romford had 2 players receive serious facial injuries in september..
Kyle Amyotte...triple break to his nose,cheek fractures and tissue damage and a fractured orbit(around the eye )
Fraser Hendry...double fracture of his jaw
as far as I know,no further action has been taken against the other player involved
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Post by deanyoungblood on Nov 16, 2004 10:55:54 GMT
If this is true i think its pretty disgusting, that you would tell someone to their FACE that you accept their appology then when that person turns their back you blatently say they intentionaly did it.
Ive spoke to Myers since the incident and he assures me that it was a complete accident and it only occured because as he was checked his arms (holding the stick) moved and it caught Kelman in the face.
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Post by Rhino#13 on Nov 16, 2004 11:34:30 GMT
I remember a few years ago a London Knights player (Rob Kenny?) virtually had the puck embedded in his face. The guy who got a puck in the mouth and was out for ages was their Captain, wasn't it ? Older guy. Bit of a goon. I'm off to look it up somewhere as its bugging me now. *Looks it up* Paul Rushforth.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 16, 2004 12:22:38 GMT
I know the two situations are not exactly comparable but I remember a few years ago a London Knights player (Rob Kenny?) virtually had the puck embedded in his face. As far as I remember the Knights didn't ask for further action against the player who hit it. It may have been their own player, I can't remember, but my point is it was a hockey accident, just one of those unfortunate occurrences. IIRC, it was one of his own team-mates who hit the puck that got him...... but your points are still well-made IMHO.
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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 16, 2004 12:26:56 GMT
i didnt mean in the nature of the injury, i meant in the nature of the way he left the ice...sorry if that didnt come across.
Kenny was injured in Bracknell after claudio scremin hit the puck and it deflected from another stick into Rob's face it took his jaw out of place and took half his nose off in the process! Yes he was the captain and he has not played since!
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Post by jon on Nov 16, 2004 14:37:41 GMT
Didn't Mike Barrie get a 12 match ban for a stick offense??? Not saying that your guy deserves that.
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