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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 15, 2004 11:52:44 GMT
regarding matt myers and surrounding the incident on saturday night www.belfastgiants.co.uk/so its for the league to decide! |
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Post by Rhino#13 on Nov 15, 2004 12:03:53 GMT
Didn't see the incident. Sorry for any player who gets injured. If they decide Myers should be further penalised on the strength of the tape evidence, then that's their decision to make.
However, harping on about what difference this made to the final result and insinuating that the result should be changed as Kelman was missing for a vital period of the game is irrelevant. If this is a case for a result to be overturned, then every time someone gets thrown out there'll be officials sat around deciding game results like a pools panel. 'Well if player A had been on the ice to be at position B during the last period he may have stopped player C scoring'. Please tell me the league hasn't got this stupid yet ?
At least our appeal against the Racers result was on a definite point of the league rules of them apparently playing an illegal player. Has that been resolved yet anyway ?
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 15, 2004 12:08:45 GMT
Probably a tartfor tat thing......
Remember Joel a few years ago
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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 15, 2004 12:10:29 GMT
but we arent appealing to have our result changed we lost fair and square, you scored 4, we scored 2 as you know...you can have the challenge cup we didnt deserve to win it anyway!!
we just want justice for todd and if that is myers facing a ban well fair and good, but if he doesnt then at least we did all we could to fight todd's battle while he is recovering.
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Post by martin on Nov 15, 2004 12:16:26 GMT
Well that's all kind of at odds to what GM says on the website:
"We've already spoken to Giants defender Todd Kellman who suffered a serious facial injury after an accidental high stick in Saturday's game. We wish him a speedy recovery and on his part he has already told Matt Myers it was a total accident with no intent whatsoever and we thank him for that," said GMB Panthers GM Gary Moran.
You are being a bit melodramatic love. How about just wishing him a speedy recovery.
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Post by Rhino#13 on Nov 15, 2004 12:19:17 GMT
but we arent appealing to have our result changed we lost fair and square, you scored 4, we scored 2 as you know...you can have the challenge cup we didnt deserve to win it anyway!! we just want justice for todd and if that is myers facing a ban well fair and good, but if he doesnt then at least we did all we could to fight todd's battle while he is recovering. I have no problem for seeking further punishment against Matt if you think you have a case, but the article clearly suggests that they think the effect it had on the result in a close game is significant and has ramifications for the team, not just Matt. Maybe I'm reading between the lines, but the inference that they think the result should be changed seemed pretty clear to me. |
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Post by Warren on Nov 15, 2004 12:21:20 GMT
Is there some confussion about ahat kind of ban it was? If it was a Match penalty he couldn't Ice on Sunday, I am sure he iced and played well. So Who is wrong? If Panthers are right and it was a game Penalty, this will surely hinder the Apeal. If Belfast are right, Then we iced an illegible player last night.   I didn't go so I can't say how severe the incident was so I don't know what penalty was deserved. |
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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 15, 2004 12:24:27 GMT
yeah but the fans who see it how it is no that you deserved to win on sat night.....john elliot can release what he wants...its not the overall concensus with us!
and as for it being melodramatic you should have seen him struggling to get off the ice..it was reminiscent to rob kenny in bracknell only with less blood.....i dont think myers is a goon...i dont think he meant to injure todd, i think that he did something stupid and should be punished for it.
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Post by martin on Nov 15, 2004 12:27:07 GMT
Yeah, me too. 5 + game.
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Post by MrsJoel on Nov 15, 2004 12:27:43 GMT
From our vantage point (admittedly the other side of the ice) it appeared to those of us who saw it that Kelman went to check Myers, who lifted his arms a little to protect himself.
The fact that he'd got his stick in his hands at the time meant that when Kelman collided with him, Kelman caught the stick in the face.
There appeared to be no deliberate movement of Myers' stick towards Kelman's face.
Was Myers supposed to drop his stick first before protecting himself? I defy anyone to consciously think about dropping whatever you may be holding if someone's heading for you at a rate of knots. You'd just react.
The penalty was given for 'a high stick', not butt-ending or anything else. I'm still convinced that Myers was ejected for his own safety.
The video evidence will be interesting to see. The incident happened in front of the penalty box/timekeeper's desk. Where is/are the camera vantage point(s) at Belfast? Will they have a clear view of the incident?
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Post by Rhino#13 on Nov 15, 2004 12:27:58 GMT
If Belfast are right, Then we iced an illegible player last night. Think you mean 'ineligible player'. 'Illegible' means something which can't be read. Sorry, I'm kinda anal about spelling and grammar. If he got a Match penalty, then Fife do actually have a case for overturning our win last night. Where are the results kept ? On the Elite league website ? I'll go look. |
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Post by martin on Nov 15, 2004 12:29:32 GMT
IH-update.co.uk says "game".
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Post by MP on Nov 15, 2004 12:29:34 GMT
The Elite League have the penalty to Myers as a "Game" so there is no problem with him icing against Fife lastnight.
The Belfast Telegraph erroneously implies it was a "Match" penalty, which somewhat debases the rest of the article.
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Post by twix on Nov 15, 2004 12:33:14 GMT
Is there some confussion about ahat kind of ban it was? If it was a Match penalty he couldn't Ice on Sunday, I am sure he iced and played well. So Who is wrong? Everywhere else has it as a GAME penalty. To be honest I don't think you can depend much on the accuracy of the Giants' report. They can't even get his name right to start with! Meyers/Myers  Regardless of whether or not it was accidental I believe Myers could be given a further ban if the league judge that he was 'reckless'. Sure I've seen this given before now for an accidental high sticks which did serious damage? Best wishes to Todd anyway. twix |
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Post by Rhino#13 on Nov 15, 2004 12:39:54 GMT
john elliot can release what he wants...its not the overall concensus with us! I never said the fans wanted it overturned, just that it was stupid for the organisation to infer the result should be changed. |
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Post by heja on Nov 15, 2004 12:53:35 GMT
i can remember one where clayton norris( i think) was given a ban for reckless use of a stick when on video eveidence it clearly wasn't his stick but danny lorenz's as he was clearing the puck away LOL
but if he does get a ban i doubt it will be more than 2 or 3 games
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Post by carolle on Nov 15, 2004 13:17:46 GMT
The Belfast Telegraph erroneously implies it was a "Match" penalty, which somewhat debases the rest of the article. On the giant`s site..the match report has Matt down as 5 + game. But on the headline news they say that he would miss last nights game... Obviously they don`t know their a**e from their elbow or their match from their game penalties. It penalty totals would also be different if it was a match.. We only had 29 mins total,which included a 20 min game for Matt,if it had been a match then it would have been 34 mins in total as a match carries a 25 min penalty. |
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Post by TomS on Nov 15, 2004 14:46:50 GMT
On the giant`s site..the match report has Matt down as 5 + game. But on the headline news they say that he would miss last nights game... Obviously they don`t know their a**e from their elbow or their match from their game penalties. It penalty totals would also be different if it was a match.. We only had 29 mins total,which included a 20 min game for Matt,if it had been a match then it would have been 34 mins in total as a match carries a 25 min penalty. A five-plus-game and a match would both go down as 25 minutes on the game sheet, so that doesn't help! |
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Post by MP on Nov 15, 2004 15:06:42 GMT
A five-plus-game and a match would both go down as 25 minutes on the game sheet, so that doesn't help! But Myers did get a 5 minute penalty as well so five-plus-match would give 30 minutes of penalties. So it must have been game not match.... |
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Post by showusurbrits22 on Nov 15, 2004 15:39:31 GMT
he got a game the website is wrong....so dont worry your heads!
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Post by carolle on Nov 15, 2004 15:39:56 GMT
Exactly MP..
He has 5 + 20 which is a 5 plus game
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a 5 + 25 which would have been 5 plus a match.
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Post by Wigwam on Nov 15, 2004 16:10:21 GMT
The N.E.P article tonight says, that Myers has apologised to Killer Kelman, & that Kelman HAS accepted his apology, & acknowledges it WAS an accident. If that IS the case, then surely there can be NO further punnishment? |
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Post by grayhead on Nov 15, 2004 16:15:51 GMT
The N.E.P article tonight says, that Myers has apologised to Killer Kelman, & that Kelman HAS accepted his apology, & acknowledges it WAS an accident. If that IS the case, then surely there can be NO further punnishment? Wigwam, I'm not saying that the NEP is wrong, however they have also said that we are playing Coventry in the next round of the CC Cup. Panthers official site says it could still be Sheffield. Caution should always be taken when reading newspaper reports. Hopefully they are correct about the apology acceptance, but then again it may just be hearsay |
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Post by Toto' on Nov 15, 2004 16:43:23 GMT
Whoever asked, the camera point is at the back row, centre ice, behind penalty boxes... It will have a good view.. I dont know what to make of this one... Killer was going to hit myers, and its always instinct to put your hands up to protect... he got the stick, donest happen often you normally hit glove.... I know, ive had in in the face several times... So i feel in that respect more punishment isnt required.. On the flip side Giants have lost a KEY player, just back from injury too... If they feel they want to take it further with a chance of winning, then they should, video tape will show if there was intent.. What do they hope to acheive though? Personally if Killer has accepted an apology and stated it was an accident, then surly the Giants dont have a leg to stand on? Just my thoughts |
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Post by Wigwam on Nov 15, 2004 17:15:55 GMT
Grayhead... Notice in my original posting I say ''If that IS the case''... I am not saying the NEP is right or wrong. |
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