iginla
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Post by iginla on May 17, 2024 16:02:42 GMT
Certainly seems to me to be a lot of cross over areas there and what Goody is saying now is exactly what Pacha was saying a couple of years ago. If I was Pacha I’d be nervously looking over my shoulder. Time will tell It will indeed. I see no difference whatsoever between a Chief Executive Officer and a Chief Operating Officer.
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Post by bobness on May 17, 2024 18:39:56 GMT
It will indeed. I see no difference whatsoever between a Chief Executive Officer and a Chief Operating Officer. And yet thousands of companies have both, including almost every plc. Until you know what both do exactly, there’s little mileage in speculating. I can’t imagine Mr Black will be mad keen on paying 2 people to do the same thing, though.
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Post by awooga on May 18, 2024 8:51:16 GMT
Totally get what was being said about social media advertising, but I still think being a main club sponsor is an attractive proposition.
People will actually see your name (rather than clicking to get rid of it) and long after your deal has ended, people will be walking around wearing shirts with your company name on.
If it were ineffective, football clubs wouldn’t be paid millions for shirt sponsorship. Appreciate the reach isn’t as much, but neither is the spend.
Could do with ex sponsors of local football teams to get involved. John Pye, Experian etc.
Hope they get someone on board soon - or that negotiations are underway.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 18, 2024 9:49:35 GMT
Totally get what was being said about social media advertising, but I still think being a main club sponsor is an attractive proposition. People will actually see your name (rather than clicking to get rid of it) and long after your deal has ended, people will be walking around wearing shirts with your company name on. If it were ineffective, football clubs wouldn’t be paid millions for shirt sponsorship. Appreciate the reach isn’t as much, but neither is the spend. Could do with ex sponsors of local football teams to get involved. John Pye, Experian etc. Hope they get someone on board soon - or that negotiations are underway. If it was attractive the league would have a sponsor. Premier League sponsorship is 100% tax efficient and vanity.
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Post by awooga on May 18, 2024 14:54:49 GMT
Totally get what was being said about social media advertising, but I still think being a main club sponsor is an attractive proposition. People will actually see your name (rather than clicking to get rid of it) and long after your deal has ended, people will be walking around wearing shirts with your company name on. If it were ineffective, football clubs wouldn’t be paid millions for shirt sponsorship. Appreciate the reach isn’t as much, but neither is the spend. Could do with ex sponsors of local football teams to get involved. John Pye, Experian etc. Hope they get someone on board soon - or that negotiations are underway. If it was attractive the league would have a sponsor. Premier League sponsorship is 100% tax efficient and vanity. People don’t walk around with EIHL on their shirts. Our attendances are equal to some League 1 and League 2 football clubs. No reason why we can’t get another.
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Post by tootootrain on May 18, 2024 17:17:17 GMT
They ought to approach the NHS for sponsorship,they’re very big on having too many office wallers and managers than they are spending money at the sharp end where it counts ! Ahh, this chestnut. It's complete rubbish, but often repeated. www.nhsconfed.org/articles/are-there-too-many-nhs-managers
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Post by bobness on May 19, 2024 15:34:00 GMT
They ought to approach the NHS for sponsorship,they’re very big on having too many office wallers and managers than they are spending money at the sharp end where it counts ! Ahh, this chestnut. It's complete rubbish, but often repeated. www.nhsconfed.org/articles/are-there-too-many-nhs-managersMostly by people who believe anything they see or hear on that there internet. Or Daily Mail readers.
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Post by iginla on May 19, 2024 16:03:47 GMT
Mostly by people who believe anything they see or hear on that there internet. Or Daily Mail readers. Or those who have a friend who works at QMC who is if i recall a “band 8” manager on almost £70k a year who openly tells me her position is relatively unnecessary and money for old rope.
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Post by bobness on May 19, 2024 19:06:00 GMT
Mostly by people who believe anything they see or hear on that there internet. Or Daily Mail readers. Or those who have a friend who works at QMC who is if i recall a “band 8” manager on almost £70k a year who openly tells me her position is relatively unnecessary and money for old rope. And thus you can extrapolate that single data point to cover the whole of the NHS. And ignore the article referred to. Righto.
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Post by float on May 19, 2024 20:40:57 GMT
Mostly by people who believe anything they see or hear on that there internet. Or Daily Mail readers. Or those who have a friend who works at QMC who is if i recall a “band 8” manager on almost £70k a year who openly tells me her position is relatively unnecessary and money for old rope. You have friends other than Pidge? 😉
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Post by iginla on May 19, 2024 20:42:59 GMT
Or those who have a friend who works at QMC who is if i recall a “band 8” manager on almost £70k a year who openly tells me her position is relatively unnecessary and money for old rope. And thus you can extrapolate that single data point to cover the whole of the NHS. And ignore the article referred to. Righto. It fits with what I also read and hear so yes I do believe that as with Panthers too much money is spent in the wrong areas rather than at the sharp end where it really matters. As regards Panthers,there are far more people in and around the office these last few years than there used to be and yet other than better media coverage the results in all other areas have not improved. Thus in my opinion it is money wasted on too many unnecessary people,money which could be far better spent on the playing side. Still,if some fans would rather have that money wasted on tinsel and fancy job titles etc than have a successful team on the ice then that’s their prerogative.
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Post by float on May 19, 2024 20:46:26 GMT
Certainly seems to me to be a lot of cross over areas there and what Goody is saying now is exactly what Pacha was saying a couple of years ago. If I was Pacha I’d be nervously looking over my shoulder. Perhaps the Fan Liason officer had been given the boot? Nope, Lisa called me last week as I haven’t renewed yet (just because I haven’t had chance to sort it, but will be doing). Pretty much doing her job and engaging with fans and chasing up anyone who hasn’t renewed. Wasn’t expecting it, kinda nice to feel like each and every fan means something, but was always going to renew
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Post by Bagheera on May 19, 2024 21:13:36 GMT
Perhaps the Fan Liason officer had been given the boot? Nope, Lisa called me last week as I haven’t renewed yet (just because I haven’t had chance to sort it, but will be doing). Pretty much doing her job and engaging with fans and chasing up anyone who hasn’t renewed. Wasn’t expecting it, kinda nice to feel like each and every fan means something, but was always going to renew About 13 years ago I didnt renew as was going away for 3 months. One of the Black boys rang me to ask me. Somethimg they've been doing for a lomg time. I've not yet had a call, not renewed yet, but I will be.
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Post by Spooks on May 20, 2024 12:47:00 GMT
I think Goodridge is at the very least an improvement because either Pacha hasn’t got time to do it or he’s not very good at it. Also begs the question why we’ve still got Pacha if all he’s doing is recruitment because we’ve seen none of the benefits you get from someone above the coach doing the recruitment If Pacha hasn’t got time to do it then what the bloody hell is he doing all day ? Jeez for years Gary Moran used to run it with him and a couple of girls plus a part time sponsor negotiator and that included spending half his time at the printers ! Yep and we was **** then as well.
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Post by sj on May 20, 2024 21:21:41 GMT
It will indeed. I see no difference whatsoever between a Chief Executive Officer and a Chief Operating Officer. And yet thousands of companies have both, including almost every plc. Until you know what both do exactly, there’s little mileage in speculating. I can’t imagine Mr Black will be mad keen on paying 2 people to do the same thing, though. He only provides the money these days, Freddie runs the organisation from the punch CEO and judy COO stall in Singapore, NBS paid the full amount to buy out of the contract 🙃
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Post by mattalfuk on May 21, 2024 15:46:05 GMT
Perhaps the Fan Liason officer had been given the boot? Nope, Lisa called me last week as I haven’t renewed yet (just because I haven’t had chance to sort it, but will be doing). Pretty much doing her job and engaging with fans and chasing up anyone who hasn’t renewed. Wasn’t expecting it, kinda nice to feel like each and every fan means something, but was always going to renew I got a call last year when I hadn't renewed and told her I was done. She was pleasant enough but didnt do anything to try to change my mind and keep me as a ST holder. I dont know if theres any GDPR considerations about keeping people's data or if the club are doing OK for ST take up but it might have been an idea to contact those who didnt renew last year to see if they had changed their minds and would consider coming back on board for next season
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Post by bobness on May 21, 2024 17:08:43 GMT
Nope, Lisa called me last week as I haven’t renewed yet (just because I haven’t had chance to sort it, but will be doing). Pretty much doing her job and engaging with fans and chasing up anyone who hasn’t renewed. Wasn’t expecting it, kinda nice to feel like each and every fan means something, but was always going to renew I got a call last year when I hadn't renewed and told her I was done. She was pleasant enough but didnt do anything to try to change my mind and keep me as a ST holder. I dont know if theres any GDPR considerations about keeping people's data or if the club are doing OK for ST take up but it might have been an idea to contact those who didnt renew last year to see if they had changed their minds and would consider coming back on board for next season You can keep data as long as you have a legitimate reason to, and keep it safe. (Very high level...) So, shouldn't be an issue.
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Post by Caesar on May 21, 2024 22:19:57 GMT
Not sure if this should go on the rumours page, but apparently there was a dog food company interested in taking over the sponsorship. After some research though, they pulled out as Winalot wasn't appropriate to go on a Panthers shirt since 2013.
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist
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Post by meadow on May 22, 2024 10:57:20 GMT
And yet thousands of companies have both, including almost every plc. Until you know what both do exactly, there’s little mileage in speculating. I can’t imagine Mr Black will be mad keen on paying 2 people to do the same thing, though. He only provides the money these days, Freddie runs the organisation from the punch CEO and judy COO stall in Singapore, NBS paid the full amount to buy out of the contract 🙃
So if this is true, the panthers should have a nice healthy budget this year from the NBS buyout and a new primary sponsor... 🤔
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Post by Yotes on May 22, 2024 11:03:26 GMT
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist DG Cars are now desperate to sponsor the forum for some reason...
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Post by iginla on May 22, 2024 11:57:20 GMT
He only provides the money these days, Freddie runs the organisation from the punch CEO and judy COO stall in Singapore, NBS paid the full amount to buy out of the contract 🙃 So if this is true, the panthers should have a nice healthy budget this year from the NBS buyout and a new primary sponsor... 🤔
I find it very,very odd that a company would pay up a sponsorship deal IN FULL to exit years early,unless they were desperate to disassociate themselves with whatever they were sponsoring. Something doesn’t ring right there. 🤔
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Post by awooga on May 22, 2024 12:31:17 GMT
With a contract 10 yrs of duration, I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a break clause in there somewhere.
I can’t see a contract being paid up in full before expiring- otherwise, you’d let it run.
It’s either a break has been exercised or the club have settled on a figure to let them exit the contract early.
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Post by bobness on May 22, 2024 12:37:38 GMT
With a contract 10 yrs of duration, I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a break clause in there somewhere. I can’t see a contract being paid up in full before expiring- otherwise, you’d let it run. It’s either a break has been exercised or the club have settled on a figure to let them exit the contract early. Absolutely.
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Post by iginla on May 22, 2024 13:03:08 GMT
With a contract 10 yrs of duration, I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a break clause in there somewhere. I can’t see a contract being paid up in full before expiring- otherwise, you’d let it run. It’s either a break has been exercised or the club have settled on a figure to let them exit the contract early. Spot on. 👍
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 22, 2024 13:32:22 GMT
With a contract 10 yrs of duration, I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a break clause in there somewhere. I can’t see a contract being paid up in full before expiring- otherwise, you’d let it run. It’s either a break has been exercised or the club have settled on a figure to let them exit the contract early. With every sponsorship deal I have ever been involved with it's always been review-able and there are cancel breaks built in every year in the off season (apart from F1) and in NASCAR for the last few seasons a lot of sponsorships now run week to week. Social media marketing changed the world forever. Just looking at the sponsorship deals for BSB and even the TT this coming week sponsorship revenue is WAY down despite the huge coverage now with 2 weeks of huge worldwide streaming. As a business owner now you really need to have a personal interest/involvement in a person or team to get involved and with something very very small like an EIHL team with no benefits like hospitality or business to business marketing you would really need to be doing it for personal reasons as bang for your buck would be no more than a wet firework
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