iginla
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Post by iginla on May 14, 2024 13:21:46 GMT
But that supposes that the ONLY reason for the Challenge Cup at all isn't the extra revenue at the beginning of the season that it generates. There is NO OTHER REASON for the Challenge Cup at all. The tight-knit EIHL is just a revenue generating monopoly with only ever one goal in mind - Generate MAXIMUM revenue for it's little group of owners. Why else would it even exist? Revenue maximisation? That's called a well-run business, isn't it? Depends if your an owner or a fan does that. What a good well run business does is listen to its customers and …the EIHL just don’t do that ! |
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Post by iginla on May 14, 2024 13:26:32 GMT
Revenue maximisation? That's called a well-run business, isn't it? If it's that well-run, all competitions would have a title sponsor. Plus the "booming" attendances the league crowed about, then they can afford to have a random cup group format that may some years results in fewer "rival" match-ups. And that’s exactly it. One minute they’re crowing about record attendances of over one million and two weeks later they come out with a ridiculous half baked new cup format which is obviously unbalanced purely to save clubs money on travel. Let’s hope it backfires badly and crowds are dire. |
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Post by bobness on May 14, 2024 14:02:31 GMT
Revenue maximisation? That's called a well-run business, isn't it? Depends if your an owner or a fan does that. What a good well run business does is listen to its customers and …the EIHL just don’t do that ! But haven't you been saying for ages that the Cup format is rubbish and needs looking at? Look, I'm not sure I like the new format either, but here's the thing. The League has listened to the fans who told it that the Cup format was pants. In its wisdom, and in response to the fan survey, it has come up with a new formula. Not perfect it seems, and it appears that you cannot please all of the people all of the time (shock horror, newsflash) but it seems all the clubs have backed it. You are quite welcome to boycott all Panthers home Cup fixtures. I suspect this will be very easy for you, as you currently boycott all Panthers home fixtures full stop. To "hope it backfires" seems a bizarre attitude, but I'm not surprised that's how you think. It might be nice to give it a chance to start with. Then you can whinge away when Giants get into the semis, beat a "decent" team there and then beat a "decent" team in the final. Fill yer boots. The league is the priority for me, and it's a free country, so I probably won't attend any of the Cup games. But I didn't this year either. It's no skin off my nose, I'm not outraged in any way, shape or form. Don't like it? Don't go. Seems a peculiar thing to want to die on a hill for. |
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Post by iginla on May 14, 2024 14:48:51 GMT
Depends if your an owner or a fan does that. What a good well run business does is listen to its customers and …the EIHL just don’t do that ! But haven't you been saying for ages that the Cup format is rubbish and needs looking at? Look, I'm not sure I like the new format either, but here's the thing. The League has listened to the fans who told it that the Cup format was pants. In its wisdom, and in response to the fan survey, it has come up with a new formula. Not perfect it seems, and it appears that you cannot please all of the people all of the time (shock horror, newsflash) but it seems all the clubs have backed it. You are quite welcome to boycott all Panthers home Cup fixtures. I suspect this will be very easy for you, as you currently boycott all Panthers home fixtures full stop. To "hope it backfires" seems a bizarre attitude, but I'm not surprised that's how you think. It might be nice to give it a chance to start with. Then you can whinge away when Giants get into the semis, beat a "decent" team there and then beat a "decent" team in the final. Fill yer boots. The league is the priority for me, and it's a free country, so I probably won't attend any of the Cup games. But I didn't this year either. It's no skin off my nose, I'm not outraged in any way, shape or form. Don't like it? Don't go. Seems a peculiar thing to want to die on a hill for. They say they listened and then they made it even more skewed. That’s not listening to fans is it. I’m guessing like me most fans would want to see openess, eveness and fairness all round,not some lop sided unbalanced farce like they’ve come up with. Why couldn’t they just put ten teams in a plastic bag and publicly draw out two random groups of five,top two go to the semi’s ? Job done ! |
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Post by yeti on May 14, 2024 14:56:36 GMT
There was me contemplating getting the new all games season ticket. Then hey presto they come up with this crap cup format.
Obviously neither Sheffield or Manchester wanted to go in the Northern group. Completely understand Cardiff wouldn't want to either.
With the groups as they are, Cardiff, Nottingham and Sheffield didn't want it set up so that only two of them could qualify for the semi's. So there is the extra eliminator game.
So all on all we end up with this strange but sort of logical cup setup.
I would much rather have two drawn groups of five and for the whole thing to be an Autumn cup finished by Christmas. Just like it used to be donkeys years ago.
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Post by Bagheera on May 14, 2024 15:53:59 GMT
There was me contemplating getting the new all games season ticket. Then hey presto they come up with this crap cup format. Obviously neither Sheffield or Manchester wanted to go in the Northern group. Completely understand Cardiff wouldn't want to either. With the groups as they are, Cardiff, Nottingham and Sheffield didn't want it set up so that only two of them could qualify for the semi's. So there is the extra eliminator game. So all on all we end up with this strange but sort of logical cup setup. I would much rather have two drawn groups of five and for the whole thing to be an Autumn cup finished by Christmas. Just like it used to be donkeys years ago. The reason i've put off renewing my ST. Was hoping this news would come out before deadline. Thats now 2 standard STs rather than 2 all in ones. Had it been 2 groups of 5 i'd have been highly likely to get the all in. |
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Post by Yotes on May 14, 2024 16:11:30 GMT
Our group shouldn't be too bad to watch in fairness, should all be decent games and not too repetitive. It's the other one that'd bore you to tears.
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Post by Bagheera on May 14, 2024 18:29:31 GMT
Our group shouldn't be too bad to watch in fairness, should all be decent games and not too repetitive. It's the other one that'd bore you to tears. Indeed. In terms of our group fixtures it's fine. It's the farce of the competition overall that means I wont buy on principal. |
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Post by Discoray on May 14, 2024 19:01:30 GMT
Our group shouldn't be too bad to watch in fairness, should all be decent games and not too repetitive. It's the other one that'd bore you to tears. I certainly won't be bothering with our Cup games. Assuming Belfast win the group, that makes it a run of 16 games to be in the final. Then add on your 54 standard league games, and 4 if you make a play-off run, that's a season of 74 competitive games, and you'd want at least 4 pre-season matches. 78 Games at this level of the sport is just bonkers, especially with the signing limits in place. Then what on earth do you do if you ever qualify for the CHL or Continental Cup? It's almost as if the EIHL are banking on no one other than Belfast potentially giving them that headache. Mid-week is only where most of these extra games can go, and they're generally not sell-out games. I just don't get the thinking behind it at all. |
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Post by Spooks on May 16, 2024 9:28:06 GMT
The Noddy cup needs to be dropped, would sooner have a decent play off series.
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Post by bobness on May 16, 2024 9:47:20 GMT
So...
Everyone thinks the Cup is rubbish, and the only thing we can agree on is they wouldn't do it like it's being done.
That or kill it.
I'm in the "kill it" bucket, it serves no purpose, for me. If the teams need the games to be financially viable, play more league games, but the issue with that would be probably making it unbalanced in terms of games vs opposition numbers, like the NHL?
Someone would have to play Steelers more, that would probably be us. Someone would have to play Fife (An "easy" game, some on here would say) more etc etc.
Cue whinging about how the league is rigged...
(Rather than perhaps thinking about working out how to beat Sheffield...)
IIWII.
Go or don't.
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