awooga
Robert Lachowicz
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Post by awooga on May 23, 2024 14:19:01 GMT
Seems a bit of snobbery about this.
If a rival were rumoured to be after him, the same people would likely be saying “why didn’t we pick up this guy? He would have been cheap and his stats are great. Our scouting is rubbish”
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shinobi
Randall Weber
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Post by shinobi on May 23, 2024 14:21:28 GMT
Gabe Levesque came from France 2 to Dundee and scored 62 points. Kevin Massy went from France2 to Ligue Magnus to one of the best D in the EIHL. Sorry to confuse the issue with facts but... It's not unheard of to find a gem in France2. Unusual, yes. But not unheard of. You be quiet. That doesn’t fit the narrative! Nottingham could sign Auston Matthews & certain folks would still whine & bitch. |
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Post by regvegetable on May 23, 2024 14:40:31 GMT
If certain folks on here were allowed to assemble their own squad, picked from every player on the planet, they would still complain, probably that one wasn't tall enough.
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Post by ragingbull on May 23, 2024 14:57:14 GMT
One player that arrived with not a great cv was a certain S Herr, and how did that work out? I would argue his pro career being a small stint then 3 full seasons in the AHL is better than a “not great CV”. But I do appreciate the point you’re making just probably not the best example |
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Post by Bagheera on May 23, 2024 15:38:28 GMT
Indeed. And Boivin did OK... I love how people can rubbish players without ever having seen them play. For the nth time, stats and/or the level of play don't tell it all. Take Collin. A good scorer on a team that will be in the Ligue Magnus this year. No-one's noticed his PIMs it seems, he could be lined up to do a similar job to Riley Brant in Cardiff, or Matt Alvaro in Guildford? "The ornery pest", a role Panthers have lacked in recent years, and plenty on here say we "need". Also, significantly, a positive outlier in the team's +/-, as well as second top goal scorer. There are plenty of positive signs, should he end up here. All you need is an open mind. I'd be amazed if he's a top line signing, of course. But a piece of a jigsaw? A player who plays limited minutes, but has a specific role within the wider team? Not amazed at all. Plenty of players sign straight from college and are plenty good enough. Recent experience shows that. Collin has a season and a bit of professional experience to draw on. Jeez, you don't sign a team of opening batsmen... And frankly, as yet, it's only a rumour... But on the flip side people will also call a player a great or stud signing just because he played a few games in a top league. On the whole though there’s a reason the top EIHL teams sign good CV players but the poorer CV players generally end up in Fife,Dundee,Coventry or Manchester. There will be some,however you don’t see many poor CV players end up in Sheffield,Belfast or Cardiff and that’s why those teams finish in the top placings. That's the bit that gets me. You are allowed to have an opinion on a player based on stats and CV as long as it's a positive one. Looks a great signing is based on exactly the same set of info that looks a poor signing is based on. A player with the record of this guy would be highly unlikely to get anyway near Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff line ups. If he does sign, I hope he storms it, but it wont be a signing to get me excited. |
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Post by bobness on May 23, 2024 15:50:04 GMT
One player that arrived with not a great cv was a certain S Herr, and how did that work out? I would argue his pro career being a small stint then 3 full seasons in the AHL is better than a “not great CV”. But I do appreciate the point you’re making just probably not the best example Perhaps a better example might be Evan Mosey. Signed from the hockey hotbed of the Dutch league, after playing for a Belgian team, his first year pro after a middling college career? I can recall no other player ever signing for an EIHL team from a team in Belgium. He did Ok in the end? |
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Post by bobness on May 23, 2024 15:58:20 GMT
A player with the record of this guy would be highly unlikely to get anyway near Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff line ups. *Cough* Riley Brandt. Check his CV. Prior to Cardiff, it's pretty uninspiring. He's now an official "fan favourite" at the Devils. |
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Post by bobness on May 23, 2024 16:01:33 GMT
But on the flip side people will also call a player a great or stud signing just because he played a few games in a top league. On the whole though there’s a reason the top EIHL teams sign good CV players but the poorer CV players generally end up in Fife,Dundee,Coventry or Manchester. There will be some,however you don’t see many poor CV players end up in Sheffield,Belfast or Cardiff and that’s why those teams finish in the top placings. That's the bit that gets me. You are allowed to have an opinion on a player based on stats and CV as long as it's a positive one. Looks a great signing is based on exactly the same set of info that looks a poor signing is based on. A player with the record of this guy would be highly unlikely to get anyway near Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff line ups. If he does sign, I hope he storms it, but it wont be a signing to get me excited. All signings are wait and see to some degree, but this is a guy who is almost certainly going to be a role player. If signed, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he gets 10 goals, but if he plays a role, and does it well, then that could be a great signing. To dismiss him as "rubbish" at this stage is quite a step. |
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Post by rexkramer on May 23, 2024 16:08:17 GMT
A player with the record of this guy would be highly unlikely to get anyway near Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff line ups. *Cough* Riley Brandt. Check his CV. Prior to Cardiff, it's pretty uninspiring. He's now an official "fan favourite" at the Devils. God, I hope we don't sign our own Riley Brandt, he's legit terrible. |
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Post by bobness on May 23, 2024 16:53:52 GMT
*Cough* Riley Brandt. Check his CV. Prior to Cardiff, it's pretty uninspiring. He's now an official "fan favourite" at the Devils. God, I hope we don't sign our own Riley Brandt, he's legit terrible. Can't say I disagree, but on what level? He provides a role, it seems, very well. |
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Post by rexkramer on May 23, 2024 17:17:58 GMT
God, I hope we don't sign our own Riley Brandt, he's legit terrible. Can't say I disagree, but on what level? He provides a role, it seems, very well. Being annoying but crap isn't really a role. |
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on May 23, 2024 18:58:57 GMT
One player that arrived with not a great cv was a certain S Herr, and how did that work out? Sam Herr came straight from about four years in the AHL so that isn’t “a not great CV”. That’s a damn site better than some poor NCAA numbers and a year in France 2 that’s for sure. |
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on May 23, 2024 19:01:23 GMT
But on the flip side people will also call a player a great or stud signing just because he played a few games in a top league. On the whole though there’s a reason the top EIHL teams sign good CV players but the poorer CV players generally end up in Fife,Dundee,Coventry or Manchester. There will be some,however you don’t see many poor CV players end up in Sheffield,Belfast or Cardiff and that’s why those teams finish in the top placings. That's the bit that gets me. You are allowed to have an opinion on a player based on stats and CV as long as it's a positive one. Looks a great signing is based on exactly the same set of info that looks a poor signing is based on. A player with the record of this guy would be highly unlikely to get anyway near Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff line ups. If he does sign, I hope he storms it, but it wont be a signing to get me excited. Nailed it there you have. |
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Joe
Jim Keyes
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Post by Joe on May 23, 2024 19:03:05 GMT
But on the flip side people will also call a player a great or stud signing just because he played a few games in a top league. On the whole though there’s a reason the top EIHL teams sign good CV players but the poorer CV players generally end up in Fife,Dundee,Coventry or Manchester. There will be some,however you don’t see many poor CV players end up in Sheffield,Belfast or Cardiff and that’s why those teams finish in the top placings. That's the bit that gets me. You are allowed to have an opinion on a player based on stats and CV as long as it's a positive one. Looks a great signing is based on exactly the same set of info that looks a poor signing is based on. A player with the record of this guy would be highly unlikely to get anyway near Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff line ups. If he does sign, I hope he storms it, but it wont be a signing to get me excited. I think there can be some unrealistic expectations at times on here but I think it’s a tad unfair to say fans shouldn’t be wary of a potential signing when they would be coming from a league quite a few levels below what we’re used to seeing us sign players from |
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on May 23, 2024 19:17:50 GMT
That's the bit that gets me. You are allowed to have an opinion on a player based on stats and CV as long as it's a positive one. Looks a great signing is based on exactly the same set of info that looks a poor signing is based on. A player with the record of this guy would be highly unlikely to get anyway near Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff line ups. If he does sign, I hope he storms it, but it wont be a signing to get me excited. I think there can be some unrealistic expectations at times on here but I think it’s a tad unfair to say fans shouldn’t be wary of a potential signing when they would be coming from a league quite a few levels below what we’re used to seeing us sign players from Yes indeed. Look at the other imports that played on that Nantes team with Collins in France 2 and they all look a similar level of rather poor quality CV wise. Tells you what the general standard of that league is like i guess though. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 23, 2024 20:06:34 GMT
That's the bit that gets me. You are allowed to have an opinion on a player based on stats and CV as long as it's a positive one. Looks a great signing is based on exactly the same set of info that looks a poor signing is based on. A player with the record of this guy would be highly unlikely to get anyway near Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff line ups. If he does sign, I hope he storms it, but it wont be a signing to get me excited. I think there can be some unrealistic expectations at times on here but I think it’s a tad unfair to say fans shouldn’t be wary of a potential signing when they would be coming from a league quite a few levels below what we’re used to seeing us sign players from Unrealistic as in hoping to sign the same standard of players as Sheffield, Belfast or Cardiff? |
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Post by pantherlee on May 24, 2024 16:25:52 GMT
New tweet from Panthers. Video showing all announced players saying they’re all in. The last person on the clip is Hugo Roy
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 24, 2024 16:28:07 GMT
New tweet from Panthers. Video showing all announced players saying they’re all in. The last person on the clip is Hugo Roy I just spotted that too! 🙌🏾 |
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awooga
Robert Lachowicz
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Post by awooga on May 24, 2024 18:31:31 GMT
Hugo Roy now confirmed
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 25, 2024 22:01:01 GMT
Given Panthers are hinting at something on x/twitter- probably a signing announcement I'll leave this here. Probably complete coincidence. Confirmed at Flames tonight |
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Post by rexkramer on May 28, 2024 19:41:51 GMT
I thought we'd have had a signing by now this week with the renewal date looming.
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Joe
Jim Keyes
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Post by Joe on May 28, 2024 21:05:23 GMT
I thought we'd have had a signing by now this week with the renewal date looming. Well based on previous years I’d expect players to start arriving from the 12th August which is 11 weeks away so if we plan to start with 22 and have them all announced by that point then we should be expecting at least one a week |
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Post by PantherTom on May 29, 2024 7:14:02 GMT
One player that arrived with not a great cv was a certain S Herr, and how did that work out? I would say he had a good CV, 4 straight seasons in the AHL being an "A" also in that time playing nearly 200 games |
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Post by bobness on May 29, 2024 7:55:17 GMT
One player that arrived with not a great cv was a certain S Herr, and how did that work out? I would say he had a good CV, 4 straight seasons in the AHL being an "A" also in that time playing nearly 200 games His raw "numbers" weren't great, but as you say, 4 years in the A was the main reason we got a diamond there. |
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Post by rexkramer on May 29, 2024 9:26:38 GMT
The one thing that no player since has been able to match was Herr's sheer determination to win and drag the team with him. That performance against the Blaze was one for the ages.
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