Phil Mitchell
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Feb 25, 2024 14:11:09 GMT
I'm most probably going over old ground that has been covered before
Over the years we have seen teams come in and then dissapear after a few seasons from the EIHL becuase of the financial pressures and its no longer viable for them to compete in the league.
Edinburgh Capitals
Hull Stingrays
Milton Keynes Lightning
Basingstoke Bison (back in early 2000's)
Newcastle Vipers (or whatever they named themselves as)
London Racers?
To name a few
We have all established that it doesn't seem to be financially viable to run a team in London, unless you've got a big financial backer and decent sponsors on board
There has been rumour and speculation over the last couple of years about teams such as Leeds, Telford or even Aberdeen joining the EIHL, but rinks/arenas need to be of a standard to meet the league requirements
Operators keep building or have built new arenas with no Ice Plant facilities whatsoever which shows the desire and hunger for the EIHL is not there
Could the EIHL expand beyond its 10 teams long term and who would you like to see back in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 14:40:37 GMT
Simple, the eihl is treading water and it's barely viable for most teams keep operating.. I'd love to see the bottom line from the accounts of each team after a completed season..
It's never surprised me that teams come and go with regularity in this league (and previous ones)
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Post by Spooks on Mar 4, 2024 21:42:21 GMT
Same old story.
Until decent facilities are built that can handle 5000 fans or more, Hockey is going nowhere in the UK.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 4, 2024 22:14:23 GMT
If another team joins it may be because one is dropping out
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2024 8:07:12 GMT
Same old story. Until decent facilities are built that can handle 5000 fans or more, Hockey is going nowhere in the UK. Exactly there's hardly any decent facilities with ice plants in this country. Certainly not many which have more than 6,000 seats anyway. |
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Post by awooga on Mar 5, 2024 10:28:19 GMT
Not viable? Hold on, Isn’t the Panthers a massive cash cow for our owner?
So it’s just us that are massively profitable and ripping off the fans, but everyone else doesn’t have a pot to pee in?
Good call that one might drop out. Storm phoenixed their company this year and perhaps might not be viable without a bigger arena?
Storm out, Leeds in (who have romped their league and might fancy it?).
Pure, baseless speculation of course!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 5, 2024 10:40:59 GMT
Not viable? Hold on, Isn’t the Panthers a massive cash cow for our owner? So it’s just us that are massively profitable and ripping off the fans, but everyone else doesn’t have a pot to pee in? Good call that one might drop out. Storm phoenixed their company this year and perhaps might not be viable without a bigger arena? Storm out, Leeds in (who have romped their league and might fancy it?). Pure, baseless speculation of course! Panthers? Just cast your eye around all of those paying customers plus serious sponsorship then just look at the Spectrum rink, Planet Ice Altrincham or the 2023/4 Skydome and do some very simple maths. And that's with the Panthers at the bottom of the league. Either the arena teams are making a hell of a lot of money or there are some seriously poor business-minded team owners out there. The on-ice side of the Panthers is very poorly run but the cash registers are ringing off the hook. Of the rink teams, I would say there are probably three teetering on the edge especially since the lock-downs. I would think if one is coming in, one will be leaving |
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Post by awooga on Mar 5, 2024 11:20:31 GMT
The post was fairly tongue in cheek tbf, which perhaps didn’t come across.
Still don’t think Panthers makes that much money to be honest (our rink costs must be huge in comparison to others - just the heat and light costs alone for a bigger venue would have to be passed on).
Would be a shame for one to drop out, but that logic makes sense as not to disturb the number of fixtures - unless they scrap a cup competition and add extra league games?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 5, 2024 11:28:13 GMT
The post was fairly tongue in cheek tbf, which perhaps didn’t come across. Still don’t think Panthers makes that much money to be honest (our rink costs must be huge in comparison to others - just the heat and light costs alone for a bigger venue would have to be passed on). Would be a shame for one to drop out, but that logic makes sense as not to disturb the number of fixtures - unless they scrap a cup competition and add extra league games? I understand 😊. If the Panthers didn't make an awful lot of money they would have been sold to one of the many willing buyers many years ago. As a businessman myself I absolutely have no objection to the Panthers org making a lot of money. No objection at all and more power to them but the on-ice side is very very poor and needs to be sorted out. Nowadays Nottingham, Sheffield and Belfast (possibly Glasgow now too) are doing very well financially. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2024 12:54:42 GMT
The post was fairly tongue in cheek tbf, which perhaps didn’t come across. Still don’t think Panthers makes that much money to be honest (our rink costs must be huge in comparison to others - just the heat and light costs alone for a bigger venue would have to be passed on). Would be a shame for one to drop out, but that logic makes sense as not to disturb the number of fixtures - unless they scrap a cup competition and add extra league games? If you don't think panthers make much money that's pretty naive on your part... |
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Post by awooga on Mar 5, 2024 12:58:22 GMT
The post was fairly tongue in cheek tbf, which perhaps didn’t come across. Still don’t think Panthers makes that much money to be honest (our rink costs must be huge in comparison to others - just the heat and light costs alone for a bigger venue would have to be passed on). Would be a shame for one to drop out, but that logic makes sense as not to disturb the number of fixtures - unless they scrap a cup competition and add extra league games? If you don't think panthers make much money that's pretty naive on your part... It was just bait for you 💋 |
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Post by yeti on Mar 5, 2024 17:38:42 GMT
I guess Manchester staying in the league could depend on whether the Ice Arena in Trafford gets built and how long it takes to build it.
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Post by bobness on Mar 5, 2024 18:28:18 GMT
The post was fairly tongue in cheek tbf, which perhaps didn’t come across. Still don’t think Panthers makes that much money to be honest (our rink costs must be huge in comparison to others - just the heat and light costs alone for a bigger venue would have to be passed on). Would be a shame for one to drop out, but that logic makes sense as not to disturb the number of fixtures - unless they scrap a cup competition and add extra league games? If you don't think panthers make much money that's pretty naive on your part... The only thing anyone knows with any certainty is that for the year ended June 22, the Panthers added £19k to the bottom line, literally. Now what goes on before that (management fees, dividends, directors costs etc etc) is anyone's guess, but it is nevertheless a guess, however educated you might think it. The June 23 accounts should be public by the end of this month. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 5, 2024 19:47:50 GMT
If you don't think panthers make much money that's pretty naive on your part... The only thing anyone knows with any certainty is that for the year ended June 22, the Panthers added £19k to the bottom line, literally. Now what goes on before that (management fees, dividends, directors costs etc etc) is anyone's guess, but it is nevertheless a guess, however educated you might think it. The June 23 accounts should be public by the end of this month. Published accounts = Jackanory but I have no problem at all with anyone making money. It’s the on-ice side that needs a huge upgrade |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2024 19:55:19 GMT
The only thing anyone knows with any certainty is that for the year ended June 22, the Panthers added £19k to the bottom line, literally. Now what goes on before that (management fees, dividends, directors costs etc etc) is anyone's guess, but it is nevertheless a guess, however educated you might think it. The June 23 accounts should be public by the end of this month. Published accounts = Jackanory but I have no problem at all with anyone making money. It’s the on-ice side that needs a huge upgrade Too right.. |
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Post by yeti on Mar 6, 2024 14:32:26 GMT
Considering the on-ice side is the actual business then if it needs a huge upgrade then surely that involves a bigger playing budget for players. Which would put a dent in any dividends, directors fees ect. The two are obviously related.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 6, 2024 15:39:53 GMT
Considering the on-ice side is the actual business then if it needs a huge upgrade then surely that involves a bigger playing budget for players. Which would put a dent in any dividends, directors fees ect. The two are obviously related. An “investment” yes. Not just players but across all of the on-ice side |
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