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Post by pantherlee on Feb 25, 2024 21:58:45 GMT
Was shocked, wasn’t expecting that. So many of them stood up and performed, Roy is a great hockey player, the first goal was a bullet. Really liked Lemay, Lunsjö, Neilson, Luciani, Kelsall and Anderson. Caruso and McGurty frustrate the living daylights out of me. Tetlow did good considering how long he’s been out. Some of those calls by the officials were awful. Keep playing like that please. Agree about Caruso and McGurty. They both give away so many sloppy penalties it puts us on the back foot way too often
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Post by jd on Feb 25, 2024 22:13:44 GMT
Was shocked, wasn’t expecting that. So many of them stood up and performed, Roy is a great hockey player, the first goal was a bullet. Really liked Lemay, Lunsjö, Neilson, Luciani, Kelsall and Anderson. Caruso and McGurty frustrate the living daylights out of me. Tetlow did good considering how long he’s been out. Some of those calls by the officials were awful. Keep playing like that please. Agree about Caruso and McGurty. They both give away so many sloppy penalties it puts us on the back foot way too often So many times tonight we got away with things cos of them. The AHL experience Caruso has surprises me
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 25, 2024 23:11:36 GMT
Wasn’t there tonight so pleased with everyone’s accounts of the game. I think it puts some calming perspective on the loss last night too, we’ve not lost ground over Glasgow after the weekend, and although ideally we would have made up some ground by beating them as well, it could have been worse. 1 point behind Fife, 4 games in hand 4 points behind Glasgow, 2 games in hand 7 points behind Dundee and Manchester, 2 games in hand I don’t think our chances are over, it will require consistent good form and we’re bound to lose occasionally, but if we can come back instantly like we have from the shocker score lines lately, then we stand every chance. This team has it in them. It'll be tough, but it's doable. If we can get to 0.500 hockey by the end of the year, we should make the playoffs. In order to do that we need 19 points from our remaining 15 games or 0.633 hockey. Over the month of February, we got 0.650 hockey so we know what we need, just keep picking up at the current rate. What would be good is if we can get some wins in the 4-pointers. We play Storm twice, Flyers Twice, Clan twice, Stars once and Blaze once. We've dropped lots of points against those sides unfortunately.
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Post by yeti on Feb 25, 2024 23:30:26 GMT
Wasn’t there tonight so pleased with everyone’s accounts of the game. I think it puts some calming perspective on the loss last night too, we’ve not lost ground over Glasgow after the weekend, and although ideally we would have made up some ground by beating them as well, it could have been worse. 1 point behind Fife, 4 games in hand 4 points behind Glasgow, 2 games in hand 7 points behind Dundee and Manchester, 2 games in hand I don’t think our chances are over, it will require consistent good form and we’re bound to lose occasionally, but if we can come back instantly like we have from the shocker score lines lately, then we stand every chance. This team has it in them. It'll be tough, but it's doable. If we can get to 0.500 hockey by the end of the year, we should make the playoffs. In order to do that we need 19 points from our remaining 15 games or 0.633 hockey. Over the month of February, we got 0.650 hockey so we know what we need, just keep picking up at the current rate. What would be good is if we can get some wins in the 4-pointers. We play Storm twice, Flyers Twice, Clan twice, Stars once and Blaze once. We've dropped lots of points against those sides unfortunately. Your maths is very similar to mine. I worked out we needed 11 wins from 16 games last night. Said we might do it with 10 wins. Now it's 10 from 15. My maths was based on the three teams in 6th, 7th and 8th all being at about 0.500 so we needed to get to 55 points to qualify if they all carried on at 0.500. 55 points would put us on about 0.500.
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Post by bobness on Feb 26, 2024 6:45:36 GMT
Agreed. .500 hockey ought to get you to the playoffs. Some big 4 point games in there.
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Post by bobness on Feb 26, 2024 6:49:18 GMT
Agree about Caruso and McGurty. They both give away so many sloppy penalties it puts us on the back foot way too often So many times tonight we got away with things cos of them. The AHL experience Caruso has surprises me It doesn’t me, he’s clearly well experienced, savvy and defensively sound. (Statistically, our “best” D this year, if you think that is keeping pucks out of the net while you’re on the ice) He’s also at the tail end of his hockey career, and 35 years old. I suspect he was quite a serious player in his younger days.
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Post by jd on Feb 26, 2024 7:26:27 GMT
So many times tonight we got away with things cos of them. The AHL experience Caruso has surprises me It doesn’t me, he’s clearly well experienced, savvy and defensively sound. (Statistically, our “best” D this year, if you think that is keeping pucks out of the net while you’re on the ice) He’s also at the tail end of his hockey career, and 35 years old. I suspect he was quite a serious player in his younger days. He’s caught out of position so many times though and doesn’t have a lot of speed. Just frustrates me a lot lol.
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Post by rexkramer on Feb 26, 2024 7:48:35 GMT
It doesn’t me, he’s clearly well experienced, savvy and defensively sound. (Statistically, our “best” D this year, if you think that is keeping pucks out of the net while you’re on the ice) He’s also at the tail end of his hockey career, and 35 years old. I suspect he was quite a serious player in his younger days. He’s caught out of position so many times though and doesn’t have a lot of speed. Just frustrates me a lot lol. He also loves a no look pass but thankfully he's toned that down quite a bit since being made captain. I was surprised he was given the C but I think its made him play better.
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Post by float on Feb 26, 2024 7:59:07 GMT
He’s caught out of position so many times though and doesn’t have a lot of speed. Just frustrates me a lot lol. He also loves a no look pass but thankfully he's toned that down quite a bit since being made captain. I was surprised he was given the C but I think its made him play better. Was just about to say this, not been Caruso’s biggest fan since he joined, he’s not been ‘bad’ but I wanted more. Thought he used to take a lot of careless and silly penalties. However since becoming captain, I think he’s been very very good for us.
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Post by bobness on Feb 26, 2024 9:40:47 GMT
Statistically, in the category that matters for a D man for me (net not being scored on), he's pretty much our best this year. He took a fair few penalties early in the season, and still leads the team, comfortably, in "minors taken", but he has nearly half the "minuses" Carl Neill does. The whole D is a bit iffy this season, to be fair, I don't think he's the worst culprit in that area by a long way.
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 26, 2024 10:22:08 GMT
Statistically, in the category that matters for a D man for me (net not being scored on), he's pretty much our best this year. He took a fair few penalties early in the season, and still leads the team, comfortably, in "minors taken", but he has nearly half the "minuses" Carl Neill does. The whole D is a bit iffy this season, to be fair, I don't think he's the worst culprit in that area by a long way. I'm a big believer that we often make our minds up on players quite early and then we see things in line with that opinion. Carl Neil plays big minutes and looks smooth. I like him, but he makes way more mistakes in and around his own goal than anybody else. He's cost us quite a few of late with suicide passes around the net. Got away with a few more too. Caruso looks like he's skating through treacle, however he makes some very classy plays. This isn't me firing shots at others for this, im just as guilty as anybody. Michund up until this unavoidable streak was one of the first on my no return list, but his stats were ok even before then. The thing is, early on I noticed his appauling offensive zone turnovers allowing the oppossision to transition down the other end for goals. So I now notice that all the time. Even whilst he's been so hot. His form and stats are pretty umdeniable it this point and he's forced me to change my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 10:22:22 GMT
He’s caught out of position so many times though and doesn’t have a lot of speed. Just frustrates me a lot lol. He also loves a no look pass but thankfully he's toned that down quite a bit since being made captain. I was surprised he was given the C but I think its made him play better. Those passes are nothing new in Nottingham.. it's been happening since Nelson MK1 ! I bet Nottingham's d have turned the puck over more than any other defence in the league
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 26, 2024 10:41:18 GMT
Statistically, in the category that matters for a D man for me (net not being scored on), he's pretty much our best this year. He took a fair few penalties early in the season, and still leads the team, comfortably, in "minors taken", but he has nearly half the "minuses" Carl Neill does. The whole D is a bit iffy this season, to be fair, I don't think he's the worst culprit in that area by a long way. I'm a big believer that we often make our minds up on players quite early and then we see things in line with that opinion. Carl Neil plays big minutes and looks smooth. I like him, but he makes way more mistakes in and around his own goal than anybody else. He's cost us quite a few of late with suicide passes around the net. Got away with a few more too. Caruso looks like he's skating through treacle, however he makes some very classy plays. This isn't me firing shots at others for this, im just as guilty as anybody. Michund up until this unavoidable streak was one of the first on my no return list, but his stats were ok even before then. The thing is, early on I noticed his appauling offensive zone turnovers allowing the oppossision to transition down the other end for goals. So I now notice that all the time. Even whilst he's been so hot. His form and stats are pretty umdeniable it this point and he's forced me to change my mind. Neill has made more of those mistakes in recent matches I have to agree but a lot of the good things we do goes through him too. Until recently I thought he was this years star player but now I can’t look beyond Hugo Roy for that. Caruso and McGurty are steady. We’ve definitely had a lot worse than both of them but they are sloppy sometimes and both take far too many minor penalties. 51 minutes each and I can’t remember many fights in there so they must be mostly minors which is far too many from 2 dmen
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 26, 2024 11:07:28 GMT
I'm a big believer that we often make our minds up on players quite early and then we see things in line with that opinion. Carl Neil plays big minutes and looks smooth. I like him, but he makes way more mistakes in and around his own goal than anybody else. He's cost us quite a few of late with suicide passes around the net. Got away with a few more too. Caruso looks like he's skating through treacle, however he makes some very classy plays. This isn't me firing shots at others for this, im just as guilty as anybody. Michund up until this unavoidable streak was one of the first on my no return list, but his stats were ok even before then. The thing is, early on I noticed his appauling offensive zone turnovers allowing the oppossision to transition down the other end for goals. So I now notice that all the time. Even whilst he's been so hot. His form and stats are pretty umdeniable it this point and he's forced me to change my mind. Neill has made more of those mistakes in recent matches I have to agree but a lot of the good things we do goes through him too. Until recently I thought he was this years star player but now I can’t look beyond Hugo Roy for that. Caruso and McGurty are steady. We’ve definitely had a lot worse than both of them but they are sloppy sometimes and both take far too many minor penalties. 51 minutes each and I can’t remember many fights in there so they must be mostly minors which is far too many from 2 dmen Overall I agree. As I say I like Neill, and that's the thing with this D. There isn't one of them that are bad, need to be cut players like we almost always have. You cant have 4/5 top pairing Dmen so some will always be better than others. Next season i'd keep Neill, Despres & Ryczek aswell as the 2 Brits. Id then sign 2 more imports to replace Caruso and McGurty if the budget allows. I'd 100% carry that spare D from the start. I really dont think it our Dmen that are the direct cause of our goals conceded. It's very much more about the way we defend as a 5 man unit.
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Post by rexkramer on Feb 26, 2024 11:19:09 GMT
I'm a big believer that we often make our minds up on players quite early and then we see things in line with that opinion. Carl Neil plays big minutes and looks smooth. I like him, but he makes way more mistakes in and around his own goal than anybody else. He's cost us quite a few of late with suicide passes around the net. Got away with a few more too. Caruso looks like he's skating through treacle, however he makes some very classy plays. This isn't me firing shots at others for this, im just as guilty as anybody. Michund up until this unavoidable streak was one of the first on my no return list, but his stats were ok even before then. The thing is, early on I noticed his appauling offensive zone turnovers allowing the oppossision to transition down the other end for goals. So I now notice that all the time. Even whilst he's been so hot. His form and stats are pretty umdeniable it this point and he's forced me to change my mind. Neill has made more of those mistakes in recent matches I have to agree but a lot of the good things we do goes through him too. Until recently I thought he was this years star player but now I can’t look beyond Hugo Roy for that. Caruso and McGurty are steady. We’ve definitely had a lot worse than both of them but they are sloppy sometimes and both take far too many minor penalties. 51 minutes each and I can’t remember many fights in there so they must be mostly minors which is far too many from 2 dmen McGurty did get that game penalty against Coventry for the kneeing.
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 26, 2024 11:40:01 GMT
Neill has made more of those mistakes in recent matches I have to agree but a lot of the good things we do goes through him too. Until recently I thought he was this years star player but now I can’t look beyond Hugo Roy for that. Caruso and McGurty are steady. We’ve definitely had a lot worse than both of them but they are sloppy sometimes and both take far too many minor penalties. 51 minutes each and I can’t remember many fights in there so they must be mostly minors which is far too many from 2 dmen McGurty did get that game penalty against Coventry for the kneeing. Yes I remember that one and that was probably the worst of the lot. Put himself in a compromised position and then made a reckless play to give himself a 5 minute major instead of a 2 minute minor. He had the careless high stick against Cardiff last week and gave away a poor tripping penalty against giants last night. He is just very prone to these kind of penalties whether it comes from poor positional play or lack of discipline I don’t know but it just the team under pressure far too often
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 26, 2024 11:45:57 GMT
Neill has made more of those mistakes in recent matches I have to agree but a lot of the good things we do goes through him too. Until recently I thought he was this years star player but now I can’t look beyond Hugo Roy for that. Caruso and McGurty are steady. We’ve definitely had a lot worse than both of them but they are sloppy sometimes and both take far too many minor penalties. 51 minutes each and I can’t remember many fights in there so they must be mostly minors which is far too many from 2 dmen Overall I agree. As I say I like Neill, and that's the thing with this D. There isn't one of them that are bad, need to be cut players like we almost always have. You cant have 4/5 top pairing Dmen so some will always be better than others. Next season i'd keep Neill, Despres & Ryczek aswell as the 2 Brits. Id then sign 2 more imports to replace Caruso and McGurty if the budget allows. I'd 100% carry that spare D from the start. I really dont think it our Dmen that are the direct cause of our goals conceded. It's very much more about the way we defend as a 5 man unit. Realistically though we won’t be running 7 dmen from the start of the season. Nobody does so it just bringing in one dman in an area we struggle most I think as I our forwards are actually more defensively responsible than previous seasons. I don’t dislike Ryczek but neither do I think he’s great so if you keep Neill and Despres then I think I’d want 2 new import D to freshen it up a bit
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Post by bobness on Feb 26, 2024 12:28:12 GMT
I bet Nottingham's d have turned the puck over more than any other defence in the league How can you possibly say that with any conviction? You don't even watch Panthers games, let alone the entire league's games? I notice, and have for ages, that Panthers are poor at clearing the zone at times, but as has been said, once you see it, you look for it. Only the stats for giveaways and takeaways (by zone) would "prove" that hypothesis, and we don't have those? I think they're not very good at that, but I only see our home games, not even our away games, let alone all 60 minutes of all teams' games. So I have no frame of reference at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 17:24:30 GMT
I bet Nottingham's d have turned the puck over more than any other defence in the league How can you possibly say that with any conviction? You don't even watch Panthers games, let alone the entire league's games? That's why I said "I bet" I know there's no data on it but every game I used to go to there was 4/5 pucks turned over on panthers blue line..
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Post by bobness on Feb 26, 2024 18:17:15 GMT
How can you possibly say that with any conviction? You don't even watch Panthers games, let alone the entire league's games? That's why I said "I bet" I know there's no data on it but every game I used to go to there was 4/5 pucks turned over on panthers blue line.. So you're happy to bet on something not knowing about 90% of the data? Fair play if you do, but not sure I would. Turnovers happen all the time in hockey, the opposition actively try and get you to do it. www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/which-nhl-team-has-the-most-turnovers-nhlI bet fans of every team bet that their team has the most turnovers.
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