GD48 Panthers 5:4 Devils / Feb 21 / EL

[Bagheera]

A nice one for the stattos.

5 goals, 7 assists. All 12 points coming from different players.

[bobness]

I said that very same thing on the way home.
Edit. 56 now appears to have an assist on goal 3.

[ashfieldpanther]

If anyone predicted 73 from 29 for the gwg, can u pick my lottery numbers for friday night please.

[pantherlee]

Glad to see a goal from Hazeldine with bodies in front of goalie screening him. Something we don’t do nearly enough of

[kievthegreat]

It was an odd one the goal. Looked perfectly fine in real time, but the Freddie Mercury impersonator waved it off. He was then beset by the linesmen and other ref, presumably asking what the hell he was doing.

Afterwards, Russell deciding to put them down a man for nearly half the remaining time was very kind. Hilariously stupid.

Shame we can't play Cardiff every week, not just because we seem to always win, but always exciting games!

[pantherlee]

Feb 21, 2024 23:18:54 GMT kievthegreat said:

It was an odd one the goal. Looked perfectly fine in real time, but the Freddie Mercury impersonator waved it off. He was then beset by the linesmen and other ref, presumably asking what the hell he was doing.

Afterwards, Russell deciding to put them down a man for nearly half the remaining time was very kind. Hilariously stupid.

Shame we can't play Cardiff every week, not just because we seem to always win, but always exciting games!

I really don’t get why Russell flipped. It was clear as day on the screens that there was nothing wrong with the goal. Toys got launched into orbit from his pram on that one

[John Casey]

What a game, extremely topsy turvy

Cardiff went 1-0 up and it felt like this is the game where tiredness has kicked in

Then we go 2-1 up and was all over them

They equalise and it was up in the air at the end of the 1st Period.

They go 4-2 up and it looked like it was going to be over, couldn't clear the zone which lead to their goals.

Then we pull one back after killing a 4 Minute Penalty and Cardiff were just back to full strength.

Then something happened in the 3rd Period, we shut them down and we were creating chances and then we equalised

At that time, I was thinking just take it into Overtime, I was happy with a point, which we didn't look like getting at a point

Then Hazeldine with a rocket and almost immediately, the Referee was waiving it off and nobody knew why, the Replays showed it was a Goal, the crowd and even Stef were going what is going on here and then it was given.

Still I thought Cardiff may get that equaliser.

The players were awesome

The crowd was immense

What the Officials were doing I do not know, give 2 softish Penalties on us, then miss a High Hit on Lunsjo and then give an Accidental High Stick 4 Minutes but a plain ordinary High Stick 2 Minutes when.it was on a Cardiff Player.

Also I noticed a few Pucks hitting Officials which gave possession back to the other team, they should learn to anticipate and get out the way.

Then they was the waiving off, just wish it would get explained after the game, it can be done through Official Channels, but at least we will know a reason.

I'm guessing they thought they saw a possible High Stick or some sort of Interference.

Oh well, we got the win and other than Sheffield, if we make the Play-Offs, then nobody will want to play us

[kievthegreat]

Feb 21, 2024 23:25:55 GMT John Casey said:

...give an Accidental High Stick 4 Minutes but a plain ordinary High Stick 2 Minutes when.it was on a Cardiff Player.

There was nothing wrong with the length of the high sticking penalties. The first gets 2+2 because it drew blood. The latter did not draw blood, so 2 minutes.

[yeti]

Great game and great come back win

The refs were lousy again today. Like others have said soft calls on us and missing worse offences by Cardiff. Not sure how that was a four minute penalty for accidental high stick as it didn't draw blood so should only have been a two minute. Same as theirs was on Neil.

Think killing most of the four minutes and then getting the powerplay. Then getting the third goal gave our players the boost to then kick on and win it in the third.

Enjoyed Russell lossing it. Proper Mardiff again. No idea why the ref was ruling the goal out. First time I've seen the other ref and linos mob a ref to tell him he was wrong. Guess he agreed and that was why they didn't review the perfectly good goal.

As usual against Cardiff a thouroughly entertaining game.

[wgray]

There’s got to be some sort of curse on Cardiff. The self belief and success we seem to have against them is remarkable.

In terms of how the game played out I thought it was a fairly even 1st, Cardiff bossed the 2nd though, we struggled with their net front traffic and the shots from the point massively. The 4 minute PK and goal before the period break turned the game though, that was really crucial.

We showed great character from there and we ramped it up in the 3rd. We hit the pipe work twice, but still didn’t lose motivation. Lovely goal from Roy and great to see Hazeldine get the winner.

Not a weekend sized crowd but my god those fans that were in attendance backed the team to the hilt. Fantastic match and result at the NIC!

[ashfieldpanther]

If you watch the video of the gwg from behind, just as the shot comes there is a raised stick in front of the goal, possibly Josh Batch, but definitely a Cardiff stick. The ref might have thought that the puck took a deflection on it's way to the net, and that the stick belonged to the Panthers player battling in front of goal and that it was this stick that the puck made contact with. Hence, washout for the high stick. The other officials must have said 'no stick contact or no high stick' so good goal, cue meltdown. Poor show from PR, have a rant but don't put your team on the back foot when they need a goal. Once he got the 2min he thought he try to get it upgraded to a 10 or game, which he managed but they kept the original 2

[bobness]

Feb 21, 2024 23:37:18 GMT kievthegreat said:

Feb 21, 2024 23:25:55 GMT John Casey said:

...give an Accidental High Stick 4 Minutes but a plain ordinary High Stick 2 Minutes when.it was on a Cardiff Player.

There was nothing wrong with the length of the high sticking penalties. The first gets 2+2 because it drew blood. The latter did not draw blood, so 2 minutes.

Indeed. It’s a weird rule, but that’s what it is. (But see below, on further investigation)

[Robbie Nud]

The high stick on Davies didnt draw blood as I sit front row of block 13 and there was no blood when he got up.

A battling performance and we deserved the win, going 2 goals down and cardiff looking strong; but we got stronger and fought back and persevered.

Agree about the officiating, does sewell dislike Nottingham? Did a player bend down and pat him on the head like a child previously? Not calling a hit to the head, moving his skate to deflect the puck towards a cardiff player. The l4eague needs to look at the standard and raise it.

How do you let in 5 and 4 goals respectively and get MoM? Cardiff has a number of players more deserving of that accolade and so did Panthers. Perhaps it should be renamed 'player who the sponsors want a picture with award'

[ashfieldpanther]

Spose if someone has paid to sponsor the game,they could probably name Paws as MoM if they wanted to. Although, if u are watching the game from a box u do get a different perspective on the action. It's harder to pick out individuals, so the player that sticks out the most is the goalie.

[pantherlee]

Feb 22, 2024 8:22:33 GMT Robbie Nud said:

The high stick on Davies didnt draw blood as I sit front row of block 13 and there was no blood when he got up.

A battling performance and we deserved the win, going 2 goals down and cardiff looking strong; but we got stronger and fought back and persevered.

Agree about the officiating, does sewell dislike Nottingham? Did a player bend down and pat him on the head like a child previously? Not calling a hit to the head, moving his skate to deflect the puck towards a cardiff player. The l4eague needs to look at the standard and raise it.

How do you let in 5 and 4 goals respectively and get MoM? Cardiff has a number of players more deserving of that accolade and so did Panthers. Perhaps it should be renamed 'player who the sponsors want a picture with award'

It did draw blood. Not much but he had a cut on the side his nose near the corner of his eye

[bobness]

Feb 22, 2024 8:22:33 GMT Robbie Nud said:

The high stick on Davies didnt draw blood as I sit front row of block 13 and there was no blood when he got up.

A battling performance and we deserved the win, going 2 goals down and cardiff looking strong; but we got stronger and fought back and persevered.

Agree about the officiating, does sewell dislike Nottingham? Did a player bend down and pat him on the head like a child previously? Not calling a hit to the head, moving his skate to deflect the puck towards a cardiff player. The l4eague needs to look at the standard and raise it.

How do you let in 5 and 4 goals respectively and get MoM? Cardiff has a number of players more deserving of that accolade and so did Panthers. Perhaps it should be renamed 'player who the sponsors want a picture with award'

Doesn't have to draw blood.

60.2. MINOR PENALTY
Any contact made by a stick on an opponent above the shoulders is prohibited and a Minor Penalty shall be imposed.
60.3. DOUBLE-MINOR PENALTY
When a Player carries or holds any part of their stick above the shoulders and makes contact with their opponent’s neck, face or head
so that “injury results”, in the manner of drawing blood or otherwise, the Referee shall assess a Double-minor Penalty.

(My bold and italics, and not the best words to explain what it means (what injury could you cause that doesn't draw blood?) but...)

Interestingly, there doesn't appear to be a specific penalty called "Accidental high sticks". The 2+2 option is just a subset of the "high sticking" penalty in general, and should thus be announced as such? i.e "2+2 for high sticking/high sticks". I suspect the "accidental" bit, and possibly the "drawing blood" bit alone, was a thing but now isn't? (Like a match penalty)

Further interestingly, there are 5 situations where a "2+2" (as opposed to 2 separate minors) is the appropriate penalty be called for an infraction. Anyone gets all 5 without looking, I'll buy them a pint.

[bobness]

I assume that PR was riled up about the fact that one of the refs clearly waved the goal off, but they then had a huddle, and without looking at any video, overturned the call.
Or possibly the fact that the video of the incident was replayed on the screens while they were all in the huddle, which I think is more than a bit naughty. It certainly got the crowd's dander up. I'm not sure that incidents like this ought to be replayed to all and sundry over and over while the decision is being debated by the officials?

[DMS]

Feb 22, 2024 8:29:54 GMT ashfieldpanther said:

Spose if someone has paid to sponsor the game,they could probably name Paws as MoM if they wanted to. Although, if u are watching the game from a box u do get a different perspective on the action. It's harder to pick out individuals, so the player that sticks out the most is the goalie.

I’d argue that watching from the higher vantage point of the box gives a better perspective of the whole area of play and the impact that players have.

Then again we all watch and perceive the game differently and then some people just want to pick who they may want a photo with.

Ultimately after a win like last night the MOTM is an irrelevance, 2 points and praise for the whole group effort is the real important matter.

[ashfieldpanther]

Feb 22, 2024 9:14:22 GMT bobness said:

I assume that PR was riled up about the fact that one of the refs clearly waved the goal off, but they then had a huddle, and without looking at any video, overturned the call.
Or possibly the fact that the video of the incident was replayed on the screens while they were all in the huddle, which I think is more than a bit naughty. It certainly got the crowd's dander up. I'm not sure that incidents like this ought to be replayed to all and sundry over and over while the decision is being debated by the officials?

Couldn't PR have requested a coaches review ?

[float]

Feb 22, 2024 10:48:27 GMT ashfieldpanther said:

Feb 22, 2024 9:14:22 GMT bobness said:

I assume that PR was riled up about the fact that one of the refs clearly waved the goal off, but they then had a huddle, and without looking at any video, overturned the call.
Or possibly the fact that the video of the incident was replayed on the screens while they were all in the huddle, which I think is more than a bit naughty. It certainly got the crowd's dander up. I'm not sure that incidents like this ought to be replayed to all and sundry over and over while the decision is being debated by the officials?

Couldn't PR have requested a coaches review ?

Runs the risk of giving a 2 minute penalty if he loses it though, maybe that’s what he was annoyed at? The fact they changed the decision without choosing to look themselves

EDIT: Just seen the EIHL have confirmed on Twitter that only a coaches challenge can review goaltender interference, the referees cannot review that themselves. Learnt a new rule today!

[John Casey]

Feb 22, 2024 9:14:22 GMT bobness said:

I assume that PR was riled up about the fact that one of the refs clearly waved the goal off, but they then had a huddle, and without looking at any video, overturned the call.
Or possibly the fact that the video of the incident was replayed on the screens while they were all in the huddle, which I think is more than a bit naughty. It certainly got the crowd's dander up. I'm not sure that incidents like this ought to be replayed to all and sundry over and over while the decision is being debated by the officials?

Is it naughty, yes but over the past,
seasons, other teams have done it and Panthers were criticized for not doing it ourselves.

[John Casey]

Feb 22, 2024 11:30:47 GMT float said:

Feb 22, 2024 10:48:27 GMT ashfieldpanther said:

Couldn't PR have requested a coaches review ?

Runs the risk of giving a 2 minute penalty if he loses it though, maybe that’s what he was annoyed at? The fact they changed the decision without choosing to look themselves

EDIT: Just seen the EIHL have confirmed on Twitter that only a coaches challenge can review goaltender interference, the referees cannot review that themselves. Learnt a new rule today!

I wonder if that was what the other Officials were explaining

[John Casey]

Feb 22, 2024 9:03:15 GMT bobness said:

Feb 22, 2024 8:22:33 GMT Robbie Nud said:

The high stick on Davies didnt draw blood as I sit front row of block 13 and there was no blood when he got up.

A battling performance and we deserved the win, going 2 goals down and cardiff looking strong; but we got stronger and fought back and persevered.

Agree about the officiating, does sewell dislike Nottingham? Did a player bend down and pat him on the head like a child previously? Not calling a hit to the head, moving his skate to deflect the puck towards a cardiff player. The l4eague needs to look at the standard and raise it.

How do you let in 5 and 4 goals respectively and get MoM? Cardiff has a number of players more deserving of that accolade and so did Panthers. Perhaps it should be renamed 'player who the sponsors want a picture with award'

Doesn't have to draw blood.

60.2. MINOR PENALTY
Any contact made by a stick on an opponent above the shoulders is prohibited and a Minor Penalty shall be imposed.
60.3. DOUBLE-MINOR PENALTY
When a Player carries or holds any part of their stick above the shoulders and makes contact with their opponent’s neck, face or head
so that “injury results”, in the manner of drawing blood or otherwise, the Referee shall assess a Double-minor Penalty.

(My bold and italics, and not the best words to explain what it means (what injury could you cause that doesn't draw blood?) but...)

Interestingly, there doesn't appear to be a specific penalty called "Accidental high sticks". The 2+2 option is just a subset of the "high sticking" penalty in general, and should thus be announced as such? i.e "2+2 for high sticking/high sticks". I suspect the "accidental" bit, and possibly the "drawing blood" bit alone, was a thing but now isn't? (Like a match penalty)

Further interestingly, there are 5 situations where a "2+2" (as opposed to 2 separate minors) is the appropriate penalty be called for an infraction. Anyone gets all 5 without looking, I'll buy them a pint.

I think that's the problem, some fans saw blood, some fans didn't.

All we heard was Accidental High Stick got 4 and High Sticking (Which sounds intentional) got 2. Maybe if it was announced for example, 2 Minutes High Sticking plus 2 for blood...etc.

Something that actually gives clarity

[The Flying Shirt]

Feb 22, 2024 9:14:22 GMT bobness said:

I assume that PR was riled up about the fact that one of the refs clearly waved the goal off, but they then had a huddle, and without looking at any video, overturned the call.
Or possibly the fact that the video of the incident was replayed on the screens while they were all in the huddle, which I think is more than a bit naughty. It certainly got the crowd's dander up. I'm not sure that incidents like this ought to be replayed to all and sundry over and over while the decision is being debated by the officials?

At home you should do whatever you have to do

[awooga]

Someone said this on Cardiffs forum:

“Apparently the goal review system wasn’t working so he couldn’t challenge it.

Which would explain why Russell got so mad. Goal scored, Dman complains of netminder interference and the nearest referee agrees and washes it out.

The officials then have a chat, decide to change the original decision and give the goal. Before telling Russell that he can’t challenge it because the review system isn’t working.“

Tough luck, and it was a legitimate goal anyway.

To be fair, there’s no complaints amongst their fans. It’s only PR with the problem.