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Post by iginla on Jan 25, 2024 10:21:59 GMT
Afraid I don’t buy it. Plenty of other teams lose big leads,it’s happened more than once around the league this season and when it does teams get called “bottlers” etc by fans. Some teams are just mentally fragile,what happened to Panthers earlier this season is totally unprecedented yes but losing runs,losing games or losing leads is what happens in sport,to some more than others. We all feel very sorry for the Panthers guys but look how Sheffield have responded. At 3-0 up last night everything was good,playing well,smiles all around no doubt,one goal against you shouldn’t just flick a switch to capitulation. I remember a Panthers team being 5-0 up against Steelers with about a period to go and were very lucky to draw 5-5 in the end. It’s what happens, coaches are always banging on about mental stuff and momentum etc it’s not just in Nottingham this sort of defeat happens.
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Post by TjPanther on Jan 25, 2024 10:25:52 GMT
You can clearly see the emotion in the eyes of Kevin during that interview & I will forever think that the current roster have balls of steel for playing on after what occurred in late October. The losing streak is awful, we can point fingers at the club, yet it’s insignificant at the end of the day. I shall continue to attend & cheer, not because I’m a “happy clapper” or I believe everything is wonderful with the club, but to give my support to the lads. Kevin has been a really good spokesperson, and generally fantastic representative for the club, I’m hoping he’s being mentored as a future head coach/manager for the Panthers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 10:33:15 GMT
Afraid I don’t buy it. Plenty of other teams lose big leads,it’s happened more than once around the league this season and when it does teams get called “bottlers” etc by fans. Some teams are just mentally fragile,what happened to Panthers earlier this season is totally unprecedented yes but losing runs,losing games or losing leads is what happens in sport,to some more than others. We all feel very sorry for the Panthers guys but look how Sheffield have responded. At 3-0 up last night everything was good,playing well,smiles all around no doubt,one goal against you shouldn’t just flick a switch to capitulation. I remember a Panthers team being 5-0 up against Steelers with about a period to go and were very lucky to draw 5-5 in the end. It’s what happens, coaches are always banging on about mental stuff and momentum etc it’s not just in Nottingham this sort of defeat happens. I have to agree here. Steelers experienced that night too and have been a juggernaut ever since !
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jan 25, 2024 11:13:14 GMT
Last night was a poor performance for half a game. But give some credit to Glasgow. They changed the way they were playing after the second period and reaped the rewards. From where i was sat, in the second period they were playing the puck out to one wing, to try and free up a man on the opposite wing for a shot on goal. They managed this but it didn't bring any rewards, the goal coming from a good move up the middle. in the 3rd they passed to the wings or won a face off and set up a screen in front of Robinson, which worked as they either scored direct from the shot or got tips for three of the goals. (The final two coming as a result of Panthers over pressing.) But you need the players to do this, someone to win the face off, strong players who won't be easily shifted in front of the net, and good shooters. Panthers d-men weren't able to clear the net so it was inevitable they would find a way. And as I said to my friend with me, Robinson concedes goals in bunches.
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Post by jd on Jan 25, 2024 11:20:14 GMT
Afraid I don’t buy it. Plenty of other teams lose big leads,it’s happened more than once around the league this season and when it does teams get called “bottlers” etc by fans. Some teams are just mentally fragile,what happened to Panthers earlier this season is totally unprecedented yes but losing runs,losing games or losing leads is what happens in sport,to some more than others. We all feel very sorry for the Panthers guys but look how Sheffield have responded. At 3-0 up last night everything was good,playing well,smiles all around no doubt,one goal against you shouldn’t just flick a switch to capitulation. I remember a Panthers team being 5-0 up against Steelers with about a period to go and were very lucky to draw 5-5 in the end. It’s what happens, coaches are always banging on about mental stuff and momentum etc it’s not just in Nottingham this sort of defeat happens. I have to agree here. Steelers experienced that night too and have been a juggernaut ever since ! Steelers did experience that night too yes, but didn’t have a teammate die on the ice did they? The trauma and grief that come with that, the funeral, memorial, it’s massive and can’t be ignored. Such a graphic death too, was brutal. And to then step back onto the ice and then play again, compete and challenge when all of that is still raw it’s a massive ask. Grief is a bitch, trust me
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Post by Higgy on Jan 25, 2024 11:29:14 GMT
I have to agree here. Steelers experienced that night too and have been a juggernaut ever since ! Steelers did experience that night too yes, but didn’t have a teammate die on the ice did they? The trauma and grief that come with that, the funeral, memorial, it’s massive and can’t be ignored. Such a graphic death too, was brutal. And to then step back onto the ice and then play again, compete and challenge when all of that is still raw it’s a massive ask. Grief is a bitch, trust me And with in the inquest coming up,that night will be dragged back into the limelight again so the next few weeks are going to get even tougher. If we make the top 8 that would be an incredible achievement but if not it isn't the end of the world,this season is an anomaly. As you've said Sheffield didn't lose a player...in fact the way they have dealt with this has come across like it never happened.
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Post by iginla on Jan 25, 2024 11:38:29 GMT
I have to agree here. Steelers experienced that night too and have been a juggernaut ever since ! Steelers did experience that night too yes, but didn’t have a teammate die on the ice did they? The trauma and grief that come with that, the funeral, memorial, it’s massive and can’t be ignored. Such a graphic death too, was brutal. And to then step back onto the ice and then play again, compete and challenge when all of that is still raw it’s a massive ask. Grief is a bitch, trust me It’s not the exactly same for the Steelers no,but they were also there,they saw it happen,some of them were likely friends of AJ too,they also lost a player in Petgrave,ok he didn’t die but he was the poor chap involved and that saga still hangs over them. They also have to play in that building every day but the difference in the two teams results since is massive. If Panthers wern’t working hard and trying I could understand it more but that by all accounts isn’t the case. Then there’s games they have won like beating Cardiff and Guildford,how did they do that,it wasn’t by flicking a switch. I see videos of players smiling and joking and larking around too so what does that say. Sorry to be harsh but I just don’t buy it that it’s all down to the AJ tragedy,it’s nothing new for Panthers to be poor,it happens every season.
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Post by jd on Jan 25, 2024 11:43:53 GMT
Steelers did experience that night too yes, but didn’t have a teammate die on the ice did they? The trauma and grief that come with that, the funeral, memorial, it’s massive and can’t be ignored. Such a graphic death too, was brutal. And to then step back onto the ice and then play again, compete and challenge when all of that is still raw it’s a massive ask. Grief is a bitch, trust me It’s not the exactly same for the Steelers no,but they were also there,they saw it happen,some of them were likely friends of AJ too,they also lost a player in Petgrave,ok he didn’t die but he was the poor chap involved and that saga still hangs over them. They also have to play in that building every day but the difference in the two teams results since is massive. If Panthers wern’t working hard and trying I could understand it more but that by all accounts isn’t the case. Then there’s games they have won like beating Cardiff and Guildford,how did they do that,it wasn’t by flicking a switch. I see videos of players smiling and joking and larking around too so what does that say. Sorry to be harsh but I just don’t buy it that it’s all down to the AJ tragedy,it’s nothing new for Panthers to be poor,it happens every season. It says that people can smile, laugh and have fun when being full of grief and feeling depressed.
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Post by iginla on Jan 25, 2024 11:57:18 GMT
It’s not the exactly same for the Steelers no,but they were also there,they saw it happen,some of them were likely friends of AJ too,they also lost a player in Petgrave,ok he didn’t die but he was the poor chap involved and that saga still hangs over them. They also have to play in that building every day but the difference in the two teams results since is massive. If Panthers wern’t working hard and trying I could understand it more but that by all accounts isn’t the case. Then there’s games they have won like beating Cardiff and Guildford,how did they do that,it wasn’t by flicking a switch. I see videos of players smiling and joking and larking around too so what does that say. Sorry to be harsh but I just don’t buy it that it’s all down to the AJ tragedy,it’s nothing new for Panthers to be poor,it happens every season. It says that people can smile, laugh and have fun when being full of grief and feeling depressed. I know,I’ve been there. But it didn’t stop me doing my job properly!
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Post by float on Jan 25, 2024 12:02:32 GMT
Well, can’t say I’m stunned to see which folks are the heartless and callous ones on here, doubling up some of their similarly worded tweets… honestly I really don’t see why you bother. What a waste of your time and energy it must be.
Anyway, some of our best hockey in that first 30-40 mins. Luciani looked great, Otto and Anderson flying too. It’s there, we have seen it in a lot of the games we have lost, but the effort is no doubt there as is the talent. Farley was the only one I had doubts over in terms of what he brought and he’s been changed quickly. They’re all there but it’s so plain to see just how mentally fragile the group are. The grief IS a huge factor, then add in the sports mentality of the losing streak they’re on, it’s no wonder that once something goes against them, they struggle and panic. I refuse to boo this team off the ice, I will criticise and commend individual games as everyone should, but if as a collective experience of the season, you can’t fathom why their leader, friend and best player Adam Johnson dying in front of them on the ice could possibly have any impact on them just 2 and a half months on, then you really do need to wake up and and give your head a shake.
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Post by awooga on Jan 25, 2024 12:03:44 GMT
On the subject of mental health, Norwich City Football Club did this video.
I suggest it’s a good watch for everyone.
Just because someone looks ok on the outside, you never really know what’s going on in their heads.
After last night and watching the interview, I am more inclined to say this is a mental thing and a hangover from the AJ tragedy.
I hope that the players are getting the support they need, and if they need to take themselves out of the firing line that they do so.
There’s nothing to achieve this season now. If people need to go away and recover, they should do so.
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Post by jd on Jan 25, 2024 12:14:35 GMT
It says that people can smile, laugh and have fun when being full of grief and feeling depressed. I know,I’ve been there. But it didn’t stop me doing my job properly! Well that’s good for you Different people handle things in different ways. And that’s ok.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 12:35:19 GMT
On the subject of mental health, Norwich City Football Club did this video. I suggest it’s a good watch for everyone. Just because someone looks ok on the outside, you never really know what’s going on in their heads. After last night and watching the interview, I am more inclined to say this is a mental thing and a hangover from the AJ tragedy. I hope that the players are getting the support they need, and if they need to take themselves out of the firing line that they do so. There’s nothing to achieve this season now. If people need to go away and recover, they should do so. Bjorkland had the right idea. He didn't want to come into everyday and be reminded of it so he separated himself from the tradegy. Young man got his whole career in front of him.
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Post by awooga on Jan 25, 2024 12:56:49 GMT
On the subject of mental health, Norwich City Football Club did this video. I suggest it’s a good watch for everyone. Just because someone looks ok on the outside, you never really know what’s going on in their heads. After last night and watching the interview, I am more inclined to say this is a mental thing and a hangover from the AJ tragedy. I hope that the players are getting the support they need, and if they need to take themselves out of the firing line that they do so. There’s nothing to achieve this season now. If people need to go away and recover, they should do so. Bjorkland had the right idea. He didn't want to come into everyday and be reminded of it so he separated himself from the tradegy. Young man got his whole career in front of him. I agree. I would encourage other players to perhaps get themselves a fresh start elsewhere- if they feel the need to do so. This is very different to wanting players sacked.
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Post by sevcik on Jan 25, 2024 13:28:48 GMT
On the subject of mental health, Norwich City Football Club did this video. I suggest it’s a good watch for everyone. Just because someone looks ok on the outside, you never really know what’s going on in their heads. After last night and watching the interview, I am more inclined to say this is a mental thing and a hangover from the AJ tragedy. I hope that the players are getting the support they need, and if they need to take themselves out of the firing line that they do so. There’s nothing to achieve this season now. If people need to go away and recover, they should do so. Bjorkland had the right idea. He didn't want to come into everyday and be reminded of it so he separated himself from the tradegy. Young man got his whole career in front of him. Everyone must do what's right for them and their mental health, whatever the circumstances, Everyone is different. However in Bjorkung's case there were other factors & things going on in the background that had been going on since the start of the season which also played into his decision to leave. Having said that, had I been one of the players I think I too would have retired or sought pastures new. But then that's easy for me to say not having not gone through it.
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Post by iginla on Jan 25, 2024 13:49:40 GMT
Bjorkland had the right idea. He didn't want to come into everyday and be reminded of it so he separated himself from the tradegy. Young man got his whole career in front of him. I agree. I would encourage other players to perhaps get themselves a fresh start elsewhere- if they feel the need to do so. This is very different to wanting players sacked. True indeed. But having made the choice to stay they shouldn’t play the mentality card as any sort of excuse.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 25, 2024 14:08:56 GMT
I agree. I would encourage other players to perhaps get themselves a fresh start elsewhere- if they feel the need to do so. This is very different to wanting players sacked. True indeed. But having made the choice to stay they shouldn’t play the mentality card as any sort of excuse. I don’t buy that either. A terrible thing that was an absolute tragedy but if the players are that effected still it’s not doing them any good trying to carry on and to be honest I’m not comfortable watching them if they are still suffering if that is indeed the case. If they are that fragile and distressed I’m very surprised that the team hasn’t drawn a line under the season.
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Post by Jono Bullard on Jan 25, 2024 14:12:48 GMT
"mentality card"
The bottom of the barrel has been scraped. The lack of humanity shown by some is frankly astonishing.
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Post by jd on Jan 25, 2024 14:25:39 GMT
"mentality card" The bottom of the barrel has been scraped. The lack of humanity shown by some is frankly astonishing. Time for a break from this place
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Post by sevcik on Jan 25, 2024 14:47:03 GMT
Perception is a wonderful thing,
Especially when you know someone who very recently spoke to a Panthers player on this subject within the confines of doing their day job. I'm not going to put said comments on this thread as depending on your view dome some will mo doubt get agititated and this forum is divided as it is already.
All i will say is the players comments made sense to me. Whether that player in question shares the view of every other player, only he knows.
One way or another the AJ tragedy will affect the players to a greater or lesser for the rest of their lives.
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Post by iginla on Jan 25, 2024 15:02:28 GMT
"mentality card" The bottom of the barrel has been scraped. The lack of humanity shown by some is frankly astonishing. What phrase would you prefer then…”mindset,mental well being, mental wellness” ? They all refer to a persons thought processes.
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Post by shinobi on Jan 25, 2024 17:06:26 GMT
"mentality card" The bottom of the barrel has been scraped. The lack of humanity shown by some is frankly astonishing. What phrase would you prefer then…”mindset,mental well being, mental wellness” ? They all refer to a persons thought processes. Perhaps you should have shown a bit of compassion & not elected to post such a hideous remark. Take a week off courtesy of the moderators. Thread locked. For obvious reasons.
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