iginla
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2024 17:10:33 GMT
Well try looking at the posts content with a little more acceptance and honesty that things need to change instead of always looking for excuses or at certain posters. As I’ve said before,this season has gone exactly the same way as many other seasons. The great tragedy of this year should not be used as an excuse to cover up yet more of the same failings, there have been various years where the club start well but then fall off a cliff,yet they never learn to respond quickly or well. My replies here are just my honest opinion in response to a question asked that’s it. I don’t see you making any comment on my praise for Kevin Moore,nope you just pick up on my criticism of JP or the club. It seems and particularly if your name is Iggy that any form of criticism is not allowed. Look at the response to my “fan pressure” post. Literally everybody was calling for extra players,who’s post out of all of them got vilified though….mine ! Doesn’t bother me if I get flamed,I’ll argue my case all day but it’s about time some people accepted that always looking for excuses and being happy with mediocrity is not a winning mentality in sport. I’ll try and give you a measured response for what it’s worth. I think you make fair points about the coaches. I do get the feeling that the AJ tragedy affected JP very hard and perhaps more than the rest and hasn’t really recovered yet and makes me wonder whether his heart is really in it now. I wouldn’t blame him if it wasn’t but if that is the case then he should step aside. I fully agree about Kevin Moore. I think the way he stepped up in the aftermath was inspiring and showed really leadership and deserves a chance. However the statement about replacing AJ like for like mid season is is just flippant and stupid. He was arguably the star player in the league and to replace him adequately at any time would be no easy task let alone mid season. It would be like Liverpool losing Mo Salah in January and just expecting them to find a replacement at the click of their fingers with no drop off. Yes Farley hasn’t been close to good enough but we did get a stud signing at the same time in Després which although in a different position was still an outstanding calibre of player to bring in. We also brought in Hazeldine to cover Tetlow too which shouldn’t go unnoticed. So yes the performances have dropped off the past month but but given the circumstances and big injury list we’ve built on top of that I think there is some justification. We’ve not had great luck either as a lot of these losses have been in OT or SO or losing by tight margins. It’s not like we’re completely uncompetitive and when injuries come back as well as the new guy to fill the bench then I think results will improve I don’t disagree with you and yes maybe I am being harsh about replacing Johnson,but I do think even mid season they could have done a lot better than Farley. What I find unacceptable from the club is the way the same pattern seems to emerge every season and their non or late reactions to it. There is also the way certain fans just seem to want to find any excuse they can to defend a club that should be right up there with the top boys every season. You look at just where the Panthers have finished in the league over the last ten years and it’s absolutely appalling for a club of their size. Makes me wonder if either party,club or some fans are actually seriously bothered about winning. I don’t think they are.
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 6, 2024 18:35:12 GMT
I’ll try and give you a measured response for what it’s worth. I think you make fair points about the coaches. I do get the feeling that the AJ tragedy affected JP very hard and perhaps more than the rest and hasn’t really recovered yet and makes me wonder whether his heart is really in it now. I wouldn’t blame him if it wasn’t but if that is the case then he should step aside. I fully agree about Kevin Moore. I think the way he stepped up in the aftermath was inspiring and showed really leadership and deserves a chance. However the statement about replacing AJ like for like mid season is is just flippant and stupid. He was arguably the star player in the league and to replace him adequately at any time would be no easy task let alone mid season. It would be like Liverpool losing Mo Salah in January and just expecting them to find a replacement at the click of their fingers with no drop off. Yes Farley hasn’t been close to good enough but we did get a stud signing at the same time in Després which although in a different position was still an outstanding calibre of player to bring in. We also brought in Hazeldine to cover Tetlow too which shouldn’t go unnoticed. So yes the performances have dropped off the past month but but given the circumstances and big injury list we’ve built on top of that I think there is some justification. We’ve not had great luck either as a lot of these losses have been in OT or SO or losing by tight margins. It’s not like we’re completely uncompetitive and when injuries come back as well as the new guy to fill the bench then I think results will improve I don’t disagree with you and yes maybe I am being harsh about replacing Johnson,but I do think even mid season they could have done a lot better than Farley. What I find unacceptable from the club is the way the same pattern seems to emerge every season and their non or late reactions to it. There is also the way certain fans just seem to want to find any excuse they can to defend a club that should be right up there with the top boys every season. You look at just where the Panthers have finished in the league over the last ten years and it’s absolutely appalling for a club of their size. Makes me wonder if either party,club or some fans are actually seriously bothered about winning. I don’t think they are. The club certainly has a lot to answer for previous seasons I don’t think there can be much argument about that but this season for me I’m not going to be overly critical. Yes Farley has been crap but his CV suggests that he shouldn’t be and that he himself is badly underperforming and we probably should have been quicker in getting someone like Pare in given how short benched we are at the minute but I think there are plenty of positives this season and we have a good group of players that had fate not intervened could be at the sharp end and I would be happy if a lot of this team has another crack at it next season which is something you couldn’t really say about many of our recent rosters
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shinobi
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Post by shinobi on Jan 6, 2024 18:56:05 GMT
The current roster is an extremely hardworking one, something that’s been missing in an absolute eternity in recent seasons. No disrespect to the guys, but the squad needs a few marquee players, just my humble opinion.
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Post by jd on Jan 6, 2024 21:40:11 GMT
Part of the problem though, iginla, is that you just pull the club apart all the time. GM/CN/RS/NB/RC/TW/GD/GG/OP/JP none of them are good enough- it’s so relentless sometimes.
So when you do say something that resembles being positive it can go unnoticed or people might have a tough time believing it.
Some of your tweets towards the coach have been pretty rude, insensitive and insulting. GG mark 2 and then comparing him to Eric Cantona with his sardines and trawlers comments. You say he has no clue what he’s doing, nonsensical waffle. It’s like you just can’t stop and it can get very boring. Yes, we are all allowed and opinion and share our views. Maybe your views got you “vilified” as everyone is just used to you moaning and pulling the club apart all the time.
You say you’re an ex fan, won’t go to games, hate NB etc, genuine question, why do you bother?
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shinobi
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Post by shinobi on Jan 6, 2024 22:44:42 GMT
I want Rok back next season. Absolutely love the guy.
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Post by Spooks on Jan 7, 2024 15:22:18 GMT
Owner sells, 2024-25 season is gut the organisation from top to bottom and drop in some key positions.
2026 WIN the double and the continental cup and dominate for the next 4-5 years and the ISL comes back including the London knights so i can get lashed again paying OTT london scummy prices.
Oh and bigger better 8K jumbotron.
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Post by Carnell on Jan 8, 2024 8:30:48 GMT
For me I feel like there will be a large turn over of players following the AJ incident. I'd be surprised if JP is back, he seems to be struggling like many of the players so feel like he will want to be back home next season. I'd like to see Kevin Moore back as I think he is a massive asset to the club. Pacha should be retained as well for me, what this club needs is stability and to build a core, so I would say retain any player that wants to be back and build around them, be it the top line offence or your bottom 6 players. We was in a good position in the opening phase of the season, keep what we can and rebuild around that core and good things will come.
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Post by jd on Jan 8, 2024 14:09:15 GMT
Agree we need some consistency and stability. I would like to keep some of the team. Rok, Neill, Despres, Otto, Lemay, Henbrant and all the brits. Doesn't help us changing coaches and I think JP deserves another season, if he wants to. Kevin Moore would be here for a good few years if it was down to me, he's quality.
I'd like some more openness from the club around injuries or expected return dates. I know they wont say what's wring with Ollie for example, but to have some idea of what's going on would be helpful. Is he done for the season? Who knows?
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shinobi
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Post by shinobi on Jan 8, 2024 16:22:03 GMT
Agree we need some consistency and stability. I would like to keep some of the team. Rok, Neill, Despres, Otto, Lemay, Henbrant and all the brits. Doesn't help us changing coaches and I think JP deserves another season, if he wants to. Kevin Moore would be here for a good few years if it was down to me, he's quality. I'd like some more openness from the club around injuries or expected return dates. I know they wont say what's wring with Ollie for example, but to have some idea of what's going on would be helpful. Is he done for the season? Who knows? I actually quite like this team; their work ethic is something else & remarkably refreshing. As I said a few days ago, I just think the roster needs a sprinkling of marquee players. Easier said than done I appreciate & no disrespect to the current players.
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Post by jd on Jan 8, 2024 16:27:34 GMT
True, one of the hardest working teams I've seen. Add 3-4 marquee players and we'd be up the top.
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Post by bobness on Jan 8, 2024 20:23:49 GMT
Agree we need some consistency and stability. I would like to keep some of the team. Rok, Neill, Despres, Otto, Lemay, Henbrant and all the brits. Doesn't help us changing coaches and I think JP deserves another season, if he wants to. Kevin Moore would be here for a good few years if it was down to me, he's quality. I'd like some more openness from the club around injuries or expected return dates. I know they wont say what's wring with Ollie for example, but to have some idea of what's going on would be helpful. Is he done for the season? Who knows? Ollie must be concussion related after that headshot? That means it could be days or done for the season. They probably don't know themselves. No need to have an update every week, concentrate on getting them back asap. But don't rush it, the last thing needed is to aggravate an injury.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2024 20:48:56 GMT
Betteridge has returned since that. Club are calling this one a lower body injury.
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