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Post by pantherlee on Jan 4, 2024 18:58:38 GMT
Given that we now know this years roster pretty well now and have wanted a core to build around, what are people’s thoughts to who we should try to retain for next season. It’s been a traumatic time which has deeply impacted the team and subsequently our recent form has nosedived in no small part to injuries to the point now that our league position will probably end up a disappointment. Despite this I feel we have some very good players that if added to could make a very strong team for next season.
For me I’d like to bring back forwards:-
Lemay
Michaud
Nieminen
Lunsjo
Roy
Henbrant
Betteridge
Kelsall or Neilson
On defence:-
Neill
Despres
Ryczek
Tetlow
Hazeldine
50/50 on Rok
To that we’d only need to add 5 new imports. A direct top line replacement for AJ. A couple of bigger guys to add size and strength and and upgrade on Welsh on forwards.
Keeping both Hazeldine and Tetlow would allow an extra import forward in place of Neilson or Kelsall which should add an extra goal threat without weakening the D as I think both Tetlow and Hazeldine are capable enough
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Post by texpef on Jan 4, 2024 20:04:27 GMT
isnt this a bit soon plus why would anyone want to keep the majority of a 9th placed team....
Bit facetious as i know/hope we dont stay there but point still stands
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 4, 2024 20:20:17 GMT
Not really. Just an opinion. I also think there are very exceptional circumstances as why we are near the bottom of the league right now. Before the AJ tragedy we were battling at the top. All I know is that we can’t afford another summer of wholesale changes again and there’s a damn site more to this group of players than there has been in recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 20:24:30 GMT
I'll be surprised if there's more than 3/4 imports back next year
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 4, 2024 21:04:09 GMT
Given that we now know this years roster pretty well now and have wanted a core to build around, what are people’s thoughts to who we should try to retain for next season. It’s been a traumatic time which has deeply impacted the team and subsequently our recent form has nosedived in no small part to injuries to the point now that our league position will probably end up a disappointment. Despite this I feel we have some very good players that if added to could make a very strong team for next season. For me I’d like to bring back forwards:- Lemay Michaud Nieminen Lunsjo Roy Henbrant Betteridge Kelsall or Neilson On defence:- Neill Despres Ryczek Tetlow Hazeldine 50/50 on Rok To that we’d only need to add 5 new imports. A direct top line replacement for AJ. A couple of bigger guys to add size and strength and and upgrade on Welsh on forwards. Keeping both Hazeldine and Tetlow would allow an extra import forward in place of Neilson or Kelsall which should add an extra goal threat without weakening the D as I think both Tetlow and Hazeldine are capable enough Strangely, in the 1st period agaisnt Coventry at home I was thinking how McGurty is one of those Dmen that just never gets mentioned. For me that still means he's doing a decent job. Then the incident happened. Still, I dont think there is much wrong with him. Regardless of opinions I think Caruso will go. Not many of his age stay on past the uni deal. So for the D I'd like to see a top end guy to replace Caruso. Keep McGurty and go with a spare being on D as a minimum. That also allowd to flex imports on forward or D. Welsh is an interesting one. I see what others see. He works so hard and it's a credit to him, however does he bring enough with just work rate and little scoring playing 4th line hockey. It's the kind of role that makes me frustrated at the import limit. I'm one that backs it being 12-14, but surely a role like that can be done by a solid Brit. I'm not sure which yet, but I think one more of your listed import forwards would perhaps need to go for growth. Not individually bad any of them. To get to a level to compete I think we need better balance. Yes, there would be 3/4 import slots to fill but my gut just tells me 1 of those would need to make way aswell. Maybe not. Clearly Robinson is a no. Probably the one individual most would agree isn't up to standard. Rok is a little difficult. At his best he's top notch. Does he have enough top notch games to win a championship? Or is it more about the ability of the team in front of him to defend? |
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Post by Joe on Jan 5, 2024 11:35:56 GMT
Given that we now know this years roster pretty well now and have wanted a core to build around, what are people’s thoughts to who we should try to retain for next season. It’s been a traumatic time which has deeply impacted the team and subsequently our recent form has nosedived in no small part to injuries to the point now that our league position will probably end up a disappointment. Despite this I feel we have some very good players that if added to could make a very strong team for next season. For me I’d like to bring back forwards:- Lemay Michaud Nieminen Lunsjo Roy Henbrant Betteridge Kelsall or Neilson On defence:- Neill Despres Ryczek Tetlow Hazeldine 50/50 on Rok To that we’d only need to add 5 new imports. A direct top line replacement for AJ. A couple of bigger guys to add size and strength and and upgrade on Welsh on forwards. Keeping both Hazeldine and Tetlow would allow an extra import forward in place of Neilson or Kelsall which should add an extra goal threat without weakening the D as I think both Tetlow and Hazeldine are capable enough Strangely, in the 1st period agaisnt Coventry at home I was thinking how McGurty is one of those Dmen that just never gets mentioned. For me that still means he's doing a decent job. Then the incident happened. Still, I dont think there is much wrong with him. Regardless of opinions I think Caruso will go. Not many of his age stay on past the uni deal. So for the D I'd like to see a top end guy to replace Caruso. Keep McGurty and go with a spare being on D as a minimum. That also allowd to flex imports on forward or D. Welsh is an interesting one. I see what others see. He works so hard and it's a credit to him, however does he bring enough with just work rate and little scoring playing 4th line hockey. It's the kind of role that makes me frustrated at the import limit. I'm one that backs it being 12-14, but surely a role like that can be done by a solid Brit. I'm not sure which yet, but I think one more of your listed import forwards would perhaps need to go for growth. Not individually bad any of them. To get to a level to compete I think we need better balance. Yes, there would be 3/4 import slots to fill but my gut just tells me 1 of those would need to make way aswell. Maybe not. Clearly Robinson is a no. Probably the one individual most would agree isn't up to standard. Rok is a little difficult. At his best he's top notch. Does he have enough top notch games to win a championship? Or is it more about the ability of the team in front of him to defend? I agree McGurty has somewhat gone under the radar which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but in the role that he fills I’d like a bit more physicality and he has cost us a couple of goals this season through turnovers. Unfortunately the import limits aren’t going to change anytime soon so I’d keep Welsh because the line of Neilson-Welsh-Kelsall has arguably been our most consistent line in terms of performances since we returned and Sheffield are showing just how valuable it is to be able to roll 4 lines that are all contributing. |
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Post by regvegetable on Jan 5, 2024 11:40:22 GMT
I think we are all in agreement that Black and Co did some sterling work in the immediate aftermath of the AJ tragedy. However in the ensuing weeks it appears that the purse strings were again pulled very tight. This has resulted in what was an already small squad getting smaller through injuries. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those injuries were compounded by the number of minutes each player had to be on ice due to having a reduced squad. This is a problem that most of the forum have been aware of and I would expect the players and coaches to be equally aware. It's not for me to say whereabouts in the Pacha/Black relationship these problems have occurred but they certainly have. The players, who have been through a lot mentally but still give their all to the club, have effectively been poo poo on and run into the ground due to the lack of recruitment. In their position I would certainly be very wary of returning to a club that has that approach to player welfare. From my perspective I can only see Strachan returning, we can't seen to shake him for some reason  |
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Post by bobness on Jan 5, 2024 14:27:48 GMT
Far too early to tell yet, and some may want to leave of their own volition, of course, but there are a couple of players who will have to have pretty good rests of the season to be anywhere near my possible "keep" list by season's end.
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Post by jd on Jan 5, 2024 15:36:07 GMT
Do we think Omar, Jonathan and Kevin will be back?
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Post by Joe on Jan 5, 2024 17:25:44 GMT
Do we think Omar, Jonathan and Kevin will be back? Don’t think Omar has done enough to warrant a 3rd season but as we never hear from NB we don’t really know how he views his tenure. As for Kevin and Jonathan I could see them both coming back but I think it would largely depend on whether Pacha is still in the job |
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Post by iginla on Jan 5, 2024 20:56:53 GMT
Do we think Omar, Jonathan and Kevin will be back? Don’t think Omar has done enough to warrant a 3rd season but as we never hear from NB we don’t really know how he views his tenure. As for Kevin and Jonathan I could see them both coming back but I think it would largely depend on whether Pacha is still in the job With crowds dwindling and two years of very poor on ice results Pacha should be shown the door. Been a major disappointment. The two coaches deserve another year I guess although JP hasn’t been particularly impressive. |
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Post by Joe on Jan 5, 2024 21:31:11 GMT
Don’t think Omar has done enough to warrant a 3rd season but as we never hear from NB we don’t really know how he views his tenure. As for Kevin and Jonathan I could see them both coming back but I think it would largely depend on whether Pacha is still in the job With crowds dwindling and two years of very poor on ice results Pacha should be shown the door. Been a major disappointment. The two coaches deserve another year I guess although JP hasn’t been particularly impressive. What more do you want out of Parades though? Prior to the incident we were challenging at the top and only getting better and post incident him and the team have been hung out to dry by management |
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Post by TjPanther on Jan 5, 2024 21:32:58 GMT
Don’t think Omar has done enough to warrant a 3rd season but as we never hear from NB we don’t really know how he views his tenure. As for Kevin and Jonathan I could see them both coming back but I think it would largely depend on whether Pacha is still in the job With crowds dwindling and two years of very poor on ice results Pacha should be shown the door. Been a major disappointment. The two coaches deserve another year I guess although JP hasn’t been particularly impressive. I think it’s alot longer than ‘2 years’ we’ve had issues. It’s at a point now where we don’t even give any sort of challenge for the league at any point in the season, as a matter of fact any title. Panthers are a lower-mid table club. I don’t even consider us a big team in the league anymore in terms of competitiveness. There’s nothing there, Sheffield can change players each season and that challenge is there each year, that fight. Where as panthers now are just are just….meh. It’s clear the club have lost that ‘fire in your belly’ attitude. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 5, 2024 21:55:27 GMT
With crowds dwindling and two years of very poor on ice results Pacha should be shown the door. Been a major disappointment. The two coaches deserve another year I guess although JP hasn’t been particularly impressive. What more do you want out of Parades though? Prior to the incident we were challenging at the top and only getting better and post incident him and the team have been hung out to dry by management I don’t think coming from the French league is the greatest of pedigrees and I’d much rather see a Canadian behind the bench. Recruitment overall didn’t really look good enough,it was ok ish and that’s about all,but he just doesn’t inspire me. His interviews are dull and say very little, just the same old waffle every time since the very start and even up to now about “a process” that hasn’t progressed or “processed” but got worse. However,because of what happened,if and only IF his head is in the right place I’d grudgingly give him another year. Kevin Moore on the other hand,I like him a lot,he talks some decent honest stuff. With a few more years of coaching under his belt he would be the sort of chap that if I was a player I’d want to play for. |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jan 5, 2024 22:22:28 GMT
With crowds dwindling and two years of very poor on ice results Pacha should be shown the door. Been a major disappointment. The two coaches deserve another year I guess although JP hasn’t been particularly impressive. I think it’s alot longer than ‘2 years’ we’ve had issues. It’s at a point now where we don’t even give any sort of challenge for the league at any point in the season, as a matter of fact any title. Panthers are a lower-mid table club. I don’t even consider us a big team in the league anymore in terms of competitiveness. There’s nothing there, Sheffield can change players each season and that challenge is there each year, that fight. Where as panthers now are just are just….meh. It’s clear the club have lost that ‘fire in your belly’ attitude. At the time of Adam's death we were 2nd in the league, playing 0.86 hockey, with 4 players in the top 10 for points and 6 in the top 20. And we'd played the same number of games against 'big' teams as the others at the sharp end of the fight. I'd say that is challenging for the league at that point in time personally. And I'd say the team and organisation had plenty of fight at that stage. Let's not forget Adam was probably the league's best signing and he was on the uni deal so we'd have had him for two years in his prime After witnessing the death of Adam, just lacing up the skates and being willing to go back out there to try and get back to where the team was (whilst dealing with their own trauma) shows more fire in their belly and fight than most people could manage. Calling any Panther player 'meh' under those circumstances is frankly insulting don't you think? Say what you like about the organisation but I for one cannot question these group of players fight. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 5, 2024 22:45:42 GMT
I think it’s alot longer than ‘2 years’ we’ve had issues. It’s at a point now where we don’t even give any sort of challenge for the league at any point in the season, as a matter of fact any title. Panthers are a lower-mid table club. I don’t even consider us a big team in the league anymore in terms of competitiveness. There’s nothing there, Sheffield can change players each season and that challenge is there each year, that fight. Where as panthers now are just are just….meh. It’s clear the club have lost that ‘fire in your belly’ attitude. At the time of Adam's death we were 2nd in the league, playing 0.86 hockey, with 4 players in the top 10 for points and 6 in the top 20. And we'd played the same number of games against 'big' teams as the others at the sharp end of the fight. I'd say that is challenging for the league at that point in time personally. And I'd say the team and organisation had plenty of fight at that stage. Let's not forget Adam was probably the league's best signing and he was on the uni deal so we'd have had him for two years in his prime After witnessing the death of Adam, just lacing up the skates and being willing to go back out there to try and get back to where the team was (whilst dealing with their own trauma) shows more fire in their belly and fight than most people could manage. Calling any Panther player 'meh' under those circumstances is frankly insulting don't you think? Say what you like about the organisation but I for one cannot question these group of players fight. The key three attributes that make a player are mental fight,effort and skill. What I don’t understand is the players apparently according to everybody have still got the fight and effort which is exactly what you might expect them to lose because of the tragedy,but what you wouldn’t expect them to lose is their skill as that just wouldn’t happen. So what’s gone wrong ? |
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Post by TjPanther on Jan 5, 2024 22:47:09 GMT
I think it’s alot longer than ‘2 years’ we’ve had issues. It’s at a point now where we don’t even give any sort of challenge for the league at any point in the season, as a matter of fact any title. Panthers are a lower-mid table club. I don’t even consider us a big team in the league anymore in terms of competitiveness. There’s nothing there, Sheffield can change players each season and that challenge is there each year, that fight. Where as panthers now are just are just….meh. It’s clear the club have lost that ‘fire in your belly’ attitude. At the time of Adam's death we were 2nd in the league, playing 0.86 hockey, with 4 players in the top 10 for points and 6 in the top 20. And we'd played the same number of games against 'big' teams as the others at the sharp end of the fight. I'd say that is challenging for the league at that point in time personally. And I'd say the team and organisation had plenty of fight at that stage. Let's not forget Adam was probably the league's best signing and he was on the uni deal so we'd have had him for two years in his prime After witnessing the death of Adam, just lacing up the skates and being willing to go back out there to try and get back to where the team was (whilst dealing with their own trauma) shows more fire in their belly and fight than most people could manage. Calling any Panther player 'meh' under those circumstances is frankly insulting don't you think? Say what you like about the organisation but I for one cannot question these group of players fight. I wasn’t specifically referring to this season? Without repeating myself and stating the glaringly obvious it’s relating to numerous years where we are generally as a club. It’s frankly insulting that you’ve tried to twist my comment into something it’s not. |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jan 5, 2024 23:15:52 GMT
Don’t think Omar has done enough to warrant a 3rd season but as we never hear from NB we don’t really know how he views his tenure. As for Kevin and Jonathan I could see them both coming back but I think it would largely depend on whether Pacha is still in the job With crowds dwindling and two years of very poor on ice results Pacha should be shown the door. Been a major disappointment. The two coaches deserve another year I guess although JP hasn’t been particularly impressive. Average regular season attendance for Panthers: 21/22 - 4740 22/23 - 5148 23/24 - 5140 Not seeing much evidence of dwindling numbers there myself. Yes not massive growth but back around pre-pandemic averages. If anything I think the actions of NB and OP seem to have endeared the organisation to the fans: our average home attendance is 800 higher in the past 6 games than before the memorial. Even if you exclude the peak of the two holiday games it's up 200 for the other games. And that's with the team sitting 9th right now. Growing the numbers when you're winning is easy. Doing it when things are tough is perhaps even more impressive?? As for JP, KM and OP. With the team they'd put together at the start of the year I'd for sure give them another year for sure. We had the start of something and I still think we do at the core. But life did its best to rip the guts out of it. But they still want it and still fight for every puck. Frankly getting this team of players to love the game again is their probably their ultimate achievement and primary goal. Get them to do that and I think we'd have our pick of who wanted to come back. Players won't forget the way the organisation treated them this year (think of David Clarke's glowing comments about Alleghe after his injury). |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jan 5, 2024 23:22:38 GMT
At the time of Adam's death we were 2nd in the league, playing 0.86 hockey, with 4 players in the top 10 for points and 6 in the top 20. And we'd played the same number of games against 'big' teams as the others at the sharp end of the fight. I'd say that is challenging for the league at that point in time personally. And I'd say the team and organisation had plenty of fight at that stage. Let's not forget Adam was probably the league's best signing and he was on the uni deal so we'd have had him for two years in his prime After witnessing the death of Adam, just lacing up the skates and being willing to go back out there to try and get back to where the team was (whilst dealing with their own trauma) shows more fire in their belly and fight than most people could manage. Calling any Panther player 'meh' under those circumstances is frankly insulting don't you think? Say what you like about the organisation but I for one cannot question these group of players fight. I wasn’t specifically referring to this season? Without repeating myself and stating the glaringly obvious it’s relating to numerous years where we are generally as a club. It’s frankly insulting that you’ve tried to twist my comment into something it’s not. Sorry if I misread your post TJ. That's on me. My bad. Wasn't trying to twist anything. Was just trying to point out that it looked like we'd finally turned the corner this season before Adam's passing. And that we finally were legitimately challenging at that point again. And as I've said in the follow up post I think the organisation has actually won some fans back through their actions. I agree we've not been competitive recently. Was merely making the point it looked like we were *finally* back competing again. Finally at the sharp end of the league again and with the type of point production that is required to have a shot. And it finally felt like their actually was some 'fire in the belly' of the the Panthers - not least from bringing in a player on a uni deal who we could really build a franchise around, rather than one riding out his career No offence meant. Apologies. I took the Panthers to mean the players too when clearly you only meant the organisation. |
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Post by Joe on Jan 5, 2024 23:57:10 GMT
What more do you want out of Parades though? Prior to the incident we were challenging at the top and only getting better and post incident him and the team have been hung out to dry by management I don’t think coming from the French league is the greatest of pedigrees and I’d much rather see a Canadian behind the bench. Recruitment overall didn’t really look good enough,it was ok ish and that’s about all,but he just doesn’t inspire me. His interviews are dull and say very little, just the same old waffle every time since the very start and even up to now about “a process” that hasn’t progressed or “processed” but got worse. However,because of what happened,if and only IF his head is in the right place I’d grudgingly give him another year. Kevin Moore on the other hand,I like him a lot,he talks some decent honest stuff. With a few more years of coaching under his belt he would be the sort of chap that if I was a player I’d want to play for. For someone who criticises our on ice quality so much, pedigree, nationality and quality of interviews are pretty pathetic reasons to critique a coach who was getting results prior to the incident |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jan 6, 2024 0:13:41 GMT
At the time of Adam's death we were 2nd in the league, playing 0.86 hockey, with 4 players in the top 10 for points and 6 in the top 20. And we'd played the same number of games against 'big' teams as the others at the sharp end of the fight. I'd say that is challenging for the league at that point in time personally. And I'd say the team and organisation had plenty of fight at that stage. Let's not forget Adam was probably the league's best signing and he was on the uni deal so we'd have had him for two years in his prime After witnessing the death of Adam, just lacing up the skates and being willing to go back out there to try and get back to where the team was (whilst dealing with their own trauma) shows more fire in their belly and fight than most people could manage. Calling any Panther player 'meh' under those circumstances is frankly insulting don't you think? Say what you like about the organisation but I for one cannot question these group of players fight. The key three attributes that make a player are mental fight,effort and skill. What I don’t understand is the players apparently according to everybody have still got the fight and effort which is exactly what you might expect them to lose because of the tragedy,but what you wouldn’t expect them to lose is their skill as that just wouldn’t happen. So what’s gone wrong ? We lost our arguably most skilled player, which weakened our first line. And the rejigging weakened the 2nd and so on down etc etc. We lost not only his goals but his other effects Losing a third liner that is filled in with a 4th line player has an effect on a team, but only on a line that you'd most likely be using as a shut down line anyway. Losing a first liner has weakened both of the top two scoring lines. And also the lower line a well. So you lose goals but also weaken lower lines to potentially more scoring. I think the main thing that events have changed will be chemistry. And, also, as has been mentioned in interviews individual players will still be having bad days mentally. And that mental effect has a bigger effect on players who are missing the chemistry they had before, but also those players who are utility players (who's skill level might be a little lower). A 10% mental focus drop on a 97% skill player will have less of an effect than a 10% drop on a 77% skill player. Which makes our lower lines even more vulnerable. And not every player can be a Henbrant in being hard to score against. Basically we lost the player who made those around him better but offensively and in the D corp. And the need for others to move up line has a trickle down effect weakening the lower lines too. Weaken each line by losing a 1st liner and they're all easier to score on, so the whole team is weakened. Lose a third liner and only the 3rd and 4th line are affected. A 33-50% weakening To me I think those two factors will be having an overlooked effect. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2024 0:25:43 GMT
The key three attributes that make a player are mental fight,effort and skill. What I don’t understand is the players apparently according to everybody have still got the fight and effort which is exactly what you might expect them to lose because of the tragedy,but what you wouldn’t expect them to lose is their skill as that just wouldn’t happen. So what’s gone wrong ? We lost our arguably most skilled player, which weakened our first line. And the rejigging weakened the 2nd and so on down etc etc. We lost not only his goals but his other effects Losing a third liner that is filled in with a 4th line player has an effect on a team, but only on a line that you'd most likely be using as a shut down line anyway. Losing a first liner has weakened both of the top two scoring lines. And also the lower line a well. So you lose goals but also weaken lower lines to potentially more scoring. I think the main thing that events have changed will be chemistry. And, also, as has been mentioned in interviews individual players will still be having bad days mentally. And that mental effect has a bigger effect on players who are missing the chemistry they had before, but also those players who are utility players (who's skill level might be a little lower). A 10% mental focus drop on a 97% skill player will have less of an effect than a 10% drop on a 77% skill player. Which makes our lower lines even more vulnerable. And not every player can be a Henbrant in being hard to score against. Basically we lost the player who made those around him better but offensively and in the D corp. And the need for others to move up line has a trickle down effect weakening the lower lines too. Weaken each line by losing a 1st liner and they're all easier to score on, so the whole team is weakened. Lose a third liner and only the 3rd and 4th line are affected. A 33-50% weakening To me I think those two factors will be having an overlooked effect. Should have gone and signed one of similar quality then shouldn’t they. But they didn’t,they replaced him with Farley ! |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jan 6, 2024 2:17:37 GMT
We lost our arguably most skilled player, which weakened our first line. And the rejigging weakened the 2nd and so on down etc etc. We lost not only his goals but his other effects Losing a third liner that is filled in with a 4th line player has an effect on a team, but only on a line that you'd most likely be using as a shut down line anyway. Losing a first liner has weakened both of the top two scoring lines. And also the lower line a well. So you lose goals but also weaken lower lines to potentially more scoring. I think the main thing that events have changed will be chemistry. And, also, as has been mentioned in interviews individual players will still be having bad days mentally. And that mental effect has a bigger effect on players who are missing the chemistry they had before, but also those players who are utility players (who's skill level might be a little lower). A 10% mental focus drop on a 97% skill player will have less of an effect than a 10% drop on a 77% skill player. Which makes our lower lines even more vulnerable. And not every player can be a Henbrant in being hard to score against. Basically we lost the player who made those around him better but offensively and in the D corp. And the need for others to move up line has a trickle down effect weakening the lower lines too. Weaken each line by losing a 1st liner and they're all easier to score on, so the whole team is weakened. Lose a third liner and only the 3rd and 4th line are affected. A 33-50% weakening To me I think those two factors will be having an overlooked effect. Should have gone and signed one of similar quality then shouldn’t they. But they didn’t,they replaced him with Farley ! And this is why it's not worth responding sensibly any more with a reasoned post. I could talk about how much harder it is to sign a player like Adam mid season - especially when you cannot offer the uni deal that made his signing possible, because it's mid season and the course has already started. I could posit whether Farley was really a replacement or a fill in to ease the load on the players whilst they looked for someone more similar. But, sadly, it's not worth it: they'll always just be quick retort looking for an angle with something else to bash the organisation about rather than engage with the posts content. This is not forum discussion any more. And I should stop expecting it to be. Your silence when we were flying high at the start of the season is as unsurprising as your sudden flurry of interest in posting again now we're struggling after Adam's death. I'm done. No more responses from me. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2024 10:09:24 GMT
Should have gone and signed one of similar quality then shouldn’t they. But they didn’t,they replaced him with Farley ! And this is why it's not worth responding sensibly any more with a reasoned post. I could talk about how much harder it is to sign a player like Adam mid season - especially when you cannot offer the uni deal that made his signing possible, because it's mid season and the course has already started. I could posit whether Farley was really a replacement or a fill in to ease the load on the players whilst they looked for someone more similar. But, sadly, it's not worth it: they'll always just be quick retort looking for an angle with something else to bash the organisation about rather than engage with the posts content. This is not forum discussion any more. And I should stop expecting it to be. Your silence when we were flying high at the start of the season is as unsurprising as your sudden flurry of interest in posting again now we're struggling after Adam's death. I'm done. No more responses from me. Well try looking at the posts content with a little more acceptance and honesty that things need to change instead of always looking for excuses or at certain posters. As I’ve said before,this season has gone exactly the same way as many other seasons. The great tragedy of this year should not be used as an excuse to cover up yet more of the same failings, there have been various years where the club start well but then fall off a cliff,yet they never learn to respond quickly or well. My replies here are just my honest opinion in response to a question asked that’s it. I don’t see you making any comment on my praise for Kevin Moore,nope you just pick up on my criticism of JP or the club. It seems and particularly if your name is Iggy that any form of criticism is not allowed. Look at the response to my “fan pressure” post. Literally everybody was calling for extra players,who’s post out of all of them got vilified though….mine ! Doesn’t bother me if I get flamed,I’ll argue my case all day but it’s about time some people accepted that always looking for excuses and being happy with mediocrity is not a winning mentality in sport. |
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 6, 2024 16:16:39 GMT
And this is why it's not worth responding sensibly any more with a reasoned post. I could talk about how much harder it is to sign a player like Adam mid season - especially when you cannot offer the uni deal that made his signing possible, because it's mid season and the course has already started. I could posit whether Farley was really a replacement or a fill in to ease the load on the players whilst they looked for someone more similar. But, sadly, it's not worth it: they'll always just be quick retort looking for an angle with something else to bash the organisation about rather than engage with the posts content. This is not forum discussion any more. And I should stop expecting it to be. Your silence when we were flying high at the start of the season is as unsurprising as your sudden flurry of interest in posting again now we're struggling after Adam's death. I'm done. No more responses from me. Well try looking at the posts content with a little more acceptance and honesty that things need to change instead of always looking for excuses or at certain posters. As I’ve said before,this season has gone exactly the same way as many other seasons. The great tragedy of this year should not be used as an excuse to cover up yet more of the same failings, there have been various years where the club start well but then fall off a cliff,yet they never learn to respond quickly or well. My replies here are just my honest opinion in response to a question asked that’s it. I don’t see you making any comment on my praise for Kevin Moore,nope you just pick up on my criticism of JP or the club. It seems and particularly if your name is Iggy that any form of criticism is not allowed. Look at the response to my “fan pressure” post. Literally everybody was calling for extra players,who’s post out of all of them got vilified though….mine ! Doesn’t bother me if I get flamed,I’ll argue my case all day but it’s about time some people accepted that always looking for excuses and being happy with mediocrity is not a winning mentality in sport. I’ll try and give you a measured response for what it’s worth. I think you make fair points about the coaches. I do get the feeling that the AJ tragedy affected JP very hard and perhaps more than the rest and hasn’t really recovered yet and makes me wonder whether his heart is really in it now. I wouldn’t blame him if it wasn’t but if that is the case then he should step aside. I fully agree about Kevin Moore. I think the way he stepped up in the aftermath was inspiring and showed really leadership and deserves a chance. However the statement about replacing AJ like for like mid season is is just flippant and stupid. He was arguably the star player in the league and to replace him adequately at any time would be no easy task let alone mid season. It would be like Liverpool losing Mo Salah in January and just expecting them to find a replacement at the click of their fingers with no drop off. Yes Farley hasn’t been close to good enough but we did get a stud signing at the same time in Després which although in a different position was still an outstanding calibre of player to bring in. We also brought in Hazeldine to cover Tetlow too which shouldn’t go unnoticed. So yes the performances have dropped off the past month but but given the circumstances and big injury list we’ve built on top of that I think there is some justification. We’ve not had great luck either as a lot of these losses have been in OT or SO or losing by tight margins. It’s not like we’re completely uncompetitive and when injuries come back as well as the new guy to fill the bench then I think results will improve |
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