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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 18, 2023 16:47:31 GMT
These analysts are good to have but having defence and offense coaches are very important and should be a given For sure. Wasn't disagreeing with anyone on that point. Just meant that since we seemingly already spend on an analyst the rationale would be that we seem open to the idea of spending on the coaching side. Just find it weird he doesn't even get a mention on the Panthers homepage... Unlike the housing officer etc etc |
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Post by iginla on Apr 18, 2023 16:50:41 GMT
Multiple coaches should be the minimum expected IMO. If Panthers aspire to be a professional organisation they should be mindful of what professional organisations do. That means coaches for Goalie/Defence/Offence/Fitness. If we are restricted to how many players we can sign and what we can pay them, we should leverage everything outside of that to gain an advantage (assuming we spend to the cap). Once we hit the cap, the off-ice coaching team is the only lever to get better performance. Look at sports like football and you'll have nutritionists, Sports Scientists, Data Analysts, Sports Psychologists, etc... We started this year without even an assistant! Exactly this for me.. very telling statement.. if Belfast and Cardiff can afford 3 coaches behind the bench then so can panthers and it's clearly the way hockey should be .. there's too much going off on the ice for only one pair of eyes Well yes,but surely Pacha didn’t walk around the arena with blinkers on every game night saying don’t ask me anything about hockey. Or did he ! 🤣 |
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Post by iginla on Apr 18, 2023 16:55:36 GMT
You heard it. Chat has finished and the action starts next season. Just listen and await the results, no getting excited yet as we have previously. Assume he came for the play-offs? Assume someone told him that’s not the usual scene every week. All the best to the man, as long as he can set HIS stall out and communicate with the players. Think he was here for Guildford as he said a week ago. could be wrong tho' Anyway, Good Luck to him hope he knows how to buy a team on a budget because while ever NB is here its going to be cheap cheap and cheap. He doesn't know what he's let himself in for. My bet is they’re going to try and copy Guildford next season. |
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 18, 2023 17:00:10 GMT
Well bonne chance, coach. He speaks English very well and is clearly well regarded in his home country, so let's see what he can do. A lot will come down to initial recruitment, as it always does. What he says sounds good, but then again no one's going to come in and say we'll drift through league games and try a bit for the knockout comps. GG talked a good game, then we recruited the team. Hopefully it's all more successful than last time, and Pacha can keep away from his "not me guv" letters to the fans in the first few weeks of the season. This bit is interesting, at his French team they had several coaches (assistant, goalie, conditioning at least I think). Let's see what our spending will stretch to. This echoes what Murph and Paul Adey said at the weekend. Gone are the days of the player/coach. To compete you need a HC, two bench coaches, strength and conditioning coach and a video analyst. Each bringing their own set of skills and each contributing on a daily basis. That's what the top teams have. |
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Post by jd on Apr 18, 2023 17:01:49 GMT
Nice to hear from Omar too - admitted mistakes which is good
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 18, 2023 17:08:33 GMT
Well bonne chance, coach. He speaks English very well and is clearly well regarded in his home country, so let's see what he can do. A lot will come down to initial recruitment, as it always does. What he says sounds good, but then again no one's going to come in and say we'll drift through league games and try a bit for the knockout comps. GG talked a good game, then we recruited the team. Hopefully it's all more successful than last time, and Pacha can keep away from his "not me guv" letters to the fans in the first few weeks of the season. This bit is interesting, at his French team they had several coaches (assistant, goalie, conditioning at least I think). Let's see what our spending will stretch to. This echoes what Murph and Paul Adey said at the weekend. Gone are the days of the player/coach. To compete you need a HC, two bench coaches, strength and conditioning coach and a video analyst. Each bringing their own set of skills and each contributing on a daily basis. That's what the top teams have. That's the only way to win. Cardiff and Belfast have shown that. Just look when we signed Chernomaz and then wouldn't let him bring anyone with him and that last idiot stood there by himself. The world has moved on from having Strachan and a stick tape guy. |
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 18, 2023 17:19:54 GMT
Busy day at work and i've took the time to take it all in since getting home. I've now watched both the interviews and there is lot's and lot's of good things being said.
Sadly though it's hard to get excited after recent seasons, especially after getting so excited after all that was said last summer.
I really wasn't sure when I first the rumour of Paredes but with the info we have it could well turn out to be an inspired choice.
From Pachas interview I like the fact he is stating he will be involved in recruitment, he may not have admitted to being involved last season but to me he knows we saw through that and wants to be honest going into this one. It's a new coach to the league again with a boss who has been around it for many years. In these circumstances he has to be involved.
As many have picked up on, also the talk of giving him support and not allowing to coach in his own is a huge plus.
Quick sounds good, but this is where the last few years have me fretful. Makes it all sound a bit 2021/22. Pacha is the one who must learn here that we cant have a small market team with small average speedsters without balance. I didn't get much about a balanced team from what they were saying.
It's now Pachas 2nd year, he's had a year to learn so big improvements must be made. This time last year I said all I wanted was improvement, well this year it's got to be beyond that. I know there is a lot of starting again but we must be competitive. We really need to be at least in with an outside chance of the title come February.
Then of course there is the big barrier to all that. The man who holds the purse strings. It's been said on here plenty already but if the budget isn't there then non of the above matters. The budget to pay the right calibre of player and the budget to make the players feel well looked after.
Overall i'm going to stay in the causiously optomistic mindset. I'm liking what I here at face value. Let's hope it all pans out.
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Post by awooga on Apr 18, 2023 17:36:05 GMT
Just listened to Pacha.
Will be heavily involved in recruiting- but if the new coach has an eye for talent, then I hope his views are heard.
Will be interesting to see who arrives - sounds like they are planning on doing some business very soon, which sounds positive.
I wonder what “success” looks like, to Pacha and new coach. You can’t expect to win the league from scratch, but wonder what the aims / objectives are for the coming season? Naturally, the answer would be to win everything- but more realistically, what is the minimum expectation?
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 18, 2023 17:39:34 GMT
A lot of the comments are pretty negative which seems a bit harsh on Paredes. Ligue Magnus coach of the year, took a tiny club to compete at the top end of the French league. Seems a bit unfair to take people obvious misgivings with the club out on him. Haters gonna hate. Coached Baillargeon last season; 2 years ago, Owre from Giants, Sherbinin (Flyers), Tait from Flames and Kearney too. So isn't new to the kind of player who does well in the UK. Good business to get the deal done early. Lets him go for the players he wants. Good luck to him. Yes, it's refreshing to be *starting* the off-season with coach already locked in and able to get on with recruitment straight out of the gate |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 18, 2023 18:02:25 GMT
Lot of good (and honest!) stuff in the interview. Interesting about him saying some of the guys brought in last year weren't put in the right position to succeed (which is true), and about the whole culture of the team needing to change.
Liked that he and Jonathan have already been working on recruitment ideas for 4 weeks - already given that it's a month since Paredes signed. I've never liked the feeling of playing catch up with other teams recruitment
So cautiously optimistic, not just about the players that might arrive but also, hopefully, about the organisational culture they will be arriving into. But definitely cautiously optimistic. But ask me again in December.
I think Parades might find some early career gems if we're lucky.
Welcome Jonathan and good luck. You're coming to a demanding fanbase so I wish you well and hope the new coaching setup produces better product than last year.
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Post by iginla on Apr 18, 2023 18:17:52 GMT
Nice to hear from Omar too - admitted mistakes which is good I’d love to ask him WHAT mistakes he’s admitting to. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 18:42:09 GMT
Nice to hear from Omar too - admitted mistakes which is good I’d love to ask him WHAT mistakes he’s admitting to. It doesn't matter as any mistakes is one too many |
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Post by jd on Apr 18, 2023 18:48:57 GMT
Nice to hear from Omar too - admitted mistakes which is good I’d love to ask him WHAT mistakes he’s admitting to. Watch the interview |
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Post by Daddio on Apr 18, 2023 19:48:24 GMT
I like how both Paredes and Pacha talk about being fast think we desperately need some size particularly in forward top 6 but also in D
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Post by iginla on Apr 18, 2023 20:29:32 GMT
I’d love to ask him WHAT mistakes he’s admitting to. Watch the interview So basically Pacha says/admits to the mistake he had nothing to do with recruiting last season and left it to Graham as a new coach to the league. Looking at last years roster I don’t believe that. |
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Post by Yotes on Apr 18, 2023 21:03:47 GMT
I don't either, but I'm OK with him hanging it round GG's neck, provided next season's roster is miles better.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 18, 2023 21:24:14 GMT
So basically Pacha says/admits to the mistake he had nothing to do with recruiting last season and left it to Graham as a new coach to the league. Looking at last years roster I don’t believe that. That’s obviously patently not the case at all. Pasha was a rink coach and has to learn now that more than double the fan base and proper sponsorship means arena responsibility is a bit different. Just look at the Giants, Devils and Steelers setups. The days of the Stars Rolodex and 3rd rate Brits will be the end of the Panthers as an overseas cash cow pretty quickly |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 18, 2023 21:30:26 GMT
I don't either, but I'm OK with him hanging it round GG's neck, provided next season's roster is miles better. GG must hold the blame as well. Didn’t know the league, didn’t want an assistant and told more action stories than Ian Fleming thinking he could wing it on BS. GG was a very poor signing but Pasha signed him |
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Post by Joe on Apr 18, 2023 21:34:28 GMT
So basically Pacha says/admits to the mistake he had nothing to do with recruiting last season and left it to Graham as a new coach to the league. Looking at last years roster I don’t believe that. Whats with this obsession that everything Panthers says is a lie? Pacha and GG both confirmed that imports were signed by GG and that was before the season had even started so no reason to try and shift the blame on to anyone else so why lie about something that is not a negative |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 21:34:42 GMT
We'll see if Pacha learns from his mistakes now he's had a season with a arena team. At least he was honest took most of the blame himself.. now the acid test is putting those wrongs right ...
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 18, 2023 21:37:23 GMT
So basically Pacha says/admits to the mistake he had nothing to do with recruiting last season and left it to Graham as a new coach to the league. Looking at last years roster I don’t believe that. Whats with this obsession that everything Panthers says is a lie? Pacha and GG both confirmed that imports were signed by GG and that was before the season had even started so no reason to try and shift the blame on to anyone else so why lie about something that is not a negative Seriously? |
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Post by iginla on Apr 18, 2023 22:40:16 GMT
So basically Pacha says/admits to the mistake he had nothing to do with recruiting last season and left it to Graham as a new coach to the league. Looking at last years roster I don’t believe that. Whats with this obsession that everything Panthers says is a lie? Pacha and GG both confirmed that imports were signed by GG and that was before the season had even started so no reason to try and shift the blame on to anyone else so why lie about something that is not a negative Early last season Pacha said he did have some recruiting input and now he says one mistake he made was leaving it to GG. Look at the roster and some of the connections,there’s no way Pacha didn’t have at least some input into that original squad. |
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Post by Joe on Apr 18, 2023 23:02:55 GMT
Whats with this obsession that everything Panthers says is a lie? Pacha and GG both confirmed that imports were signed by GG and that was before the season had even started so no reason to try and shift the blame on to anyone else so why lie about something that is not a negative Early last season Pacha said he did have some recruiting input and now he says one mistake he made was leaving it to GG. Look at the roster and some of the connections,there’s no way Pacha didn’t have at least some input into that original squad. Pacha signed the brits which is understandable given GG’s lack of knowledge on them but bar Ricci I’m not aware of any other connections Pacha has to any of the import signings we’ve made this season |
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Post by iginla on Apr 18, 2023 23:42:39 GMT
Early last season Pacha said he did have some recruiting input and now he says one mistake he made was leaving it to GG. Look at the roster and some of the connections,there’s no way Pacha didn’t have at least some input into that original squad. Pacha signed the brits which is understandable given GG’s lack of knowledge on them but bar Ricci I’m not aware of any other connections Pacha has to any of the import signings we’ve made this season GG just plucked Hammond, Johnston,Gagnon and Brady out of thin air from the myriads of hockey players across the world out of pure coincidence without liasing with Pacha then did he ? |
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Post by Joe on Apr 19, 2023 8:52:25 GMT
Pacha signed the brits which is understandable given GG’s lack of knowledge on them but bar Ricci I’m not aware of any other connections Pacha has to any of the import signings we’ve made this season GG just plucked Hammond, Johnston,Gagnon and Brady out of thin air from the myriads of hockey players across the world out of pure coincidence without liasing with Pacha then did he ? GG said he wanted some players with EIHL experience so that he didn’t have an entire group of imports getting used to the EIHL like he was, now I’m not saying GG didn’t ask Pacha his opinion on some of those players but GG had the final say therefore they’re his signings. |
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